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That interview was loving amazing. The Raw itself mostly sucked, but it had some great stuff in particular: Dean Ambrose, Erick Rowan, Bray Wyatt, and Damien Mizdow. AJ Lee winning by submission was also a pleasant surprise given the CM Punk stuff. I don't think Vince is a good human being, but I would be lying if I said I didn't empathize with him during that interview. He's obviously extremely out of touch, but I'm glad it seems like he recognizes that all 3 members of The Shield are something special. His burying of Cesaro because "he's Swiss" is hilarious though because it basically cemented a running joke as fact. Trip Larsen fucked around with this message at 10:17 on Dec 2, 2014 |
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MassRafTer posted:Read that Stephen King book and learn about the thing Vince thinks you are missing. So Cesaro can't tell the future just by touching someone? Man, what a dick move depushing someone over that, not everybody gets wicked psychic powers from the carnival.
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paint dry posted:It won't. You think your average WWE fan is going to watch some Japanese nonsense? You think kids are even going to know what it is? No. Not gonna lie, if you showed me a picture of Jushin Liger when I was 7 I'd watch the poo poo out of anything he was in. At that point I was aware that Japan was the place where the cartoons and video games came from so if you just told me that this is wrestling from Japan, I'd watch it
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I think Seth was something special as a house of fire hot tag babyface but this 'heir apparently to Triple H' thing he has going on right now is absolutely insufferable.
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Spermgod posted:I think Seth was something special as a house of fire hot tag babyface but this 'heir apparently to Triple H' thing he has going on right now is absolutely insufferable. He is the most over heel in the company
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Spermgod posted:I have to imagine New Japan would be glad to have him and he'd probably be pushed towards the top of the card pretty quickly. Obviously I don't have a clue how much he's making but if the stuff Alberto said about how much talent are getting stiffed on pay is true I wouldn't be surprised if he could make more, perhaps significantly more, per date for NJPW, though less dates. I also don't know if he still resides in Switzerland on his off time but if he does the 3 weeks on/3 weeks off system in Japan would allow him much more time there. Yes this is me wishful thinking. Alberto is not exactly an honest man.
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Smoking Crow posted:He is the most over heel in the company Rusev edit: jesus christ i said 'heir apparently'
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Spermgod posted:I think Seth was something special as a house of fire hot tag babyface but this 'heir apparently to Triple H' thing he has going on right now is absolutely insufferable. I'd be interested in seeing a 2 year burial reign of doom by Seth Rollins tbh
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MassRafTer posted:Read that Stephen King book and learn about the thing Vince thinks you are missing. My face right when I got it.  It's because his car isn't possesed by a demon, isn't it?
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Spermgod posted:Rusev Uh, Russia are the good guys, he's the face and Swagger's the heel
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Seth's entrance music is awful, the most generic lovely heavy guitar theme in the company maybe. Also Raw was real bad.
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Carver Crisis posted:That interview was loving amazing. The Raw itself mostly sucked, but it had some great stuff in particular: Dean Ambrose, Erick Rowan, Bray Wyatt, and Damien Mizdow. AJ Lee winning by submission was also a pleasant surprise given the CM Punk stuff. I think Vince enjoys schadenfreude and has a juvenile sense of humor, but he's not actively malicious.
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Gonzo McFee posted:My face right when I got it. I like my reference more because the dead zone is where Cesaros heat is.
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Raw was really bad but The Big Guy remains unscathed.
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Gonzo McFee posted:My face right when I got it.
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Shima Honnou posted:I like my reference more because the dead zone is where Cesaros heat is. Vince has tried to bury Cesaro, but he did it in a Pet Cemetery and his push came back wrong.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Vince has tried to bury Cesaro, but he did it in a Pet Cemetery and his push came back wrong. Sometimes, staying on NXT is bettah.
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Vince's rant against millenials made me laugh for some reason. It just summed up everything about Vince in a tiny moment.St Evan Echoes posted:Seth's entrance music is awful, the most generic lovely heavy guitar theme in the company maybe. Ambrose's sucks too. Opening riff is fine but it just replays itself every 15 seconds. Funny thing is that the lower you are on the totem pole, the more effort they seem to put into your theme. Like every NXT Diva has their own unique theme often with lyrics. They threw together a theme for Slater Gator pretty quick. I think they've given Justin Gabriel a dozen themes by now. But Ambrose and Rollins have the most generic rock themes ever.
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Everyone always thinks that Justin Gabriel has a new theme, but he's had the same one for at least a year or two and it's just that nobody can remember the last time they saw his entrance. He's only had, like, two themes.
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The quality of your theme in 2014 WWE directly correlates to how interesting you are of a wrestler. Great theme = boring as gently caress.
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MassRafTer posted:Read that Stephen King book and learn about the thing Vince thinks you are missing. "Randall Flagg" gimmick for Cesaro confirmed. 
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Aurain posted:The quality of your theme in 2014 WWE directly correlates to how interesting you are of a wrestler. Actually Erick Rowan is a very interesting supergenius.
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Niwrad posted:Ambrose's sucks too. Opening riff is fine but it just replays itself every 15 seconds. Beyond "heavy guitar thing" I can't even remember what Rollins's sounds like. And I last heard it a few hours ago.
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St Evan Echoes posted:Ambrose's would be a really good theme if it didn't have exact same engine rev every time, making it seem like a 15 second clip on repeat. The riff itself changes and is good. And at least I can hum it. I keep thinking that it's Edge when it comes up so I get disappointed every show
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I hope Seth Rollins stops being a heel soon.
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Seth is being built perfectly. How long has it been since there was a bonafide main event face that was over without being over as a main event level heel first? Austin was over as a heel first Shawn was over as a heel first Bret heel Trips heel The Rock heel Taker heel Lesnar heel Angle heel Foley heel Punk heel Bryan heel Orton heel Edge heel Cena even got over as a heel first. Sting maybe? Am I forgetting someone? Was Bret over as a face before being over as a heel? Rey Mysterio? It has been a long time.
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Dec 2, 2014 11:14
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Bret was always a face as a singles guy up until 1997
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MacDougall posted:Seth is being built perfectly. How long has it been since there was a bonafide main event face that was over without being over as a main event level heel first? i think having used it the other day my yearly quota for using the phrase 'cargo cult logic' without being a huge dickhead is up but this is definitely it Spermgod fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Dec 2, 2014 |
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St Evan Echoes posted:Bret was always a face as a singles guy up until 1997 So it's been ages. Spermgod posted:i think having used it the other day my yearly quota for using the phrase 'cargo cult logic' without being a huge dickhead is up but this is definitely it Not familiar with that term but based on skimming wikipedia I take it to mean that you are saying that just because something is the way it is doesn't mean that it's the right way?
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By that criteria I would say Goldberg, Mysterio and Jeff Hardy but I don't know what qualifies as bona fide to you. Punk's first reign came before his first heel turn. If being a heel in a tag team doesn't count you can throw in Booker T.
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MacDougall posted:Seth is being built perfectly. How long has it been since there was a bonafide main event face that was over without being over as a main event level heel first? Taking out that "main event" bit would help your argument a lot. Bret was midcard at best tagging with Anvil. Heel Cena wasn't exactly main-eventing. Rey hasn't been heel enough for anyone to notice or care at any point (Filthy Animals do not count, shut tup).
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fyi I just retried emailing questions to Colt/Punk and it seems to have gone through this time, so if any of you want to send anything now might be the time before it fucks up again
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MacDougall posted:So it's been ages. more of a correlation doesn't equal causation thing edit: specifically trying to replicate a thing (getting over as a face) by replicating incidental/irrelevant circumstances (getting over as a heel first) of past cases Spermgod fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Dec 2, 2014 |
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MacDougall posted:Seth is being built perfectly. How long has it been since there was a bonafide main event face that was over without being over as a main event level heel first? In WWE Punk first got over as a face. He first main evented as one too.
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MacDougall posted:So it's been ages. This is actually a good example of the cargo cult logic the other guy was talking about fyi
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MassRafTer posted:In WWE Punk first got over as a face. He first main evented as one too. Yeah you're right in hindsight. You're talking about his cash-in for the WHC right? I suppose you could say that he was in a main event but he wasn't really THE main event was he? Basically I've always got the impression that a guy has to get the crowd to turn behind him as a heel to truly get over. Or at the very least it makes for a bigger star. Obviously I'm not a wrestling historian so there are obviously situations where I'm wrong.
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Dexters Secret posted:I have a serious suggestion: we can't seem to stop watching this show so let's kill ourselves i'm down
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CubsWoo posted:By that criteria I would say Goldberg, Mysterio and Jeff Hardy but I don't know what qualifies as bona fide to you. Punk's first reign came before his first heel turn. If being a heel in a tag team doesn't count you can throw in Booker T. Goldberg and Jeff Hardy are good examples to the contrary of my point. That being said, like I said to me at least I've always felt like a guy who is over as a heel and has the crowd organically shift or the booking very subtly start altering his character to move the crowd behind him is at least an easier way to create a top face. Than running someone as a main event face from the word go. It might be a sign of the times that a guy who has no dark edge can't really connect with the people so much? Once you see a character's dark side you can connect better with them when they are doing the babyface routine. I'm happy to be wrong about it being typical or even common if I am. Discussion about wrestling is what we're here for after all.
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Call Me Charlie posted:I'm listening to it now. See how lazy Punk and Bryan were/are? They weren't even trying to grab the brass ring!
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