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Harlock posted:I don't have a problem with that deal. He should be a decent, if not solid long-man/reliever. Just don't let him start again. I thought it was a mistake to bring him back for $5MM last year, shoulda cut ties then. I'm not mad he didn't pitch at all, I think it worked out just fine!, even if he was decent for a bit of relief in 2013. I can maybe be a bit on board if this means Holland gets dealt. Maybe. The second year though, coming of TJ, has me concerned. I'm also tired of Luke's face tbh
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I'm still kind of baffled by this deal the Yankees made with Rogers. They're giving him the minimum salary possible according to the CBA with only half of that guaranteed. If Rogers was willing to take that it means he had no faith in his own abilities, and if the Yankees lowballed that much it seems like they might as well just have non-tendered him. Whatever, a cheap arm is a cheap arm I guess, even if he sucks. Inspector_666 fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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The Jays non tendered Dirks and Mayberry so they now have three ofers total. Comeback Melky!
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MassaShowtime posted:The Jays non tendered Dirks and Mayberry so they now have three ofers total. Comeback Melky! Who's gonna sign Dirks is immediately the biggest story of the offseason.
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MassaShowtime posted:The Jays non tendered Dirks and Mayberry so they now have three ofers total. Comeback Melky! They also non-tendered Smoak. Do they have any other 1B/DH option, outside of EE? Navarro?
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Twin Cinema posted:They also non-tendered Smoak. Do they have any other 1B/DH option, outside of EE? Navarro? Maybe they'll pursue Mike Morse?
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I guess the Jays feel reasonably sure about adding another OF . Kinda surprised that Smoak didnt get an offer. Thought they were gonna see if he could turn it around in Rogers Center, and they dont really seem to have anyone else to slot in there except I guess Navarro who could be traded soon as well. How was Smoaks defense at first?
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I'm hoping it's Melky or Fowler personally.
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MassaShowtime posted:I'm hoping it's Melky or Fowler personally. Hahah I knew I was forgetting someone so I threw De Aza in there. Fowler would probably be a solid fit here.
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I wanted that Dirks/Mayberry platoon so bad.
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LonesomeCrowdedWest posted:I guess the Jays feel reasonably sure about adding another OF . Kinda surprised that Smoak didnt get an offer. Thought they were gonna see if he could turn it around in Rogers Center, and they dont really seem to have anyone else to slot in there except I guess Navarro who could be traded soon as well. How was Smoaks defense at first? His scouting reports said he was above average on defense, but every advanced metric (UZR, DRS, TotalZone) showed he was pretty bad at defense at first. So yeah he's pretty bad at defense now. I'm still surprised he got non-tendered. Someone will take a flier on the guy.
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Everth Cabrera's stoned driving rear end is available for everyone to enjoy! He'll hit .220 and steal 25 bases for you. Enjoy!
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uublog posted:The Phillies did not even make an offer to Yasmany Tomas, according to his agent Gotta wonder if there were massive red flags or if the Phillies and the Padres are just cheap fucks this offseason (I shouldn't lump you in with us, you usually spend and care about winning).
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First the rumor was that the scouts didn't like his defense or didn't think he was a good fit. Now the company line seems to be about money. That's something I can understand since they're allocating $150m for a roughly ~70 win team. The team has such a dearth of talent so I get being upset by not even giving him an offer. I just don't see how much he helps in the short term. He would have to be followed by a bunch of other high priced moves, which doesn't seem like the right direction for a team that will need several major positions filled in the next couple of years. Even long term by the time you think the Phillies might be good again, he could opt out.
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thompson posted:Gotta wonder if there were massive red flags or if the Phillies and the Padres are just cheap fucks this offseason (I shouldn't lump you in with us, you usually spend and care about winning). Honestly, the Phillies haven't spent big on anyone important/valuable from outside the org (not extensions like Utley/Hamels/etc.) since... Cliff Lee, part 2, I guess? I mean Rube probably "cares about winning" in some sense of those words, he's just really bad at it e: Harlock posted:First the rumor was that the scouts didn't like his defense or didn't think he was a good fit. Now the company line seems to be about money. That's something I can understand since they're allocating $150m for a roughly ~70 win team. It's less about their not signing him and more about their stringing everyone along the entire time, and making us believe they were trying to right the ship when they had no intention of actually doing so. I mean, that's the status quo in the Rube era for sure, but man, this gets frustrating, and I only marginally care about the team anymore. uublog fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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The Braves win the Jim Johnson sweepstakes with a 1 year MLB contract.
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lmao the Braves signed Jim Johnson and it's a major league contract. One of the worst relief pitchers in baseball this year
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vegeta dentata posted:The Braves win the Jim Johnson sweepstakes with a 1 year MLB contract. Alternate view: 29 teams win the Jim Johnson sweepstakes when the Braves sign him to a one year contract. Also Torii Hunter has a full NTC in his deal with the Twins according to Wolfson. I'm not shocked by this, if a contender wants him around the deadline and he wants to go for the ring he'll waive it, if he just wants to stay here it prevent the Twins from trading him somewhere he doesn't want to go that might miss the playoffs.
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What on earth happened to Jim Johnson last year? edit: And why did they allow him to pitch 53 god drat innings.
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Thom P. Tiers posted:What on earth happened to Jim Johnson last year? Jim Johnson was pretty bad in 2013, too. And considering it was the A's spending $10m, no way in hell was he going to get cut very quickly.
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Senf posted:Jim Johnson was pretty bad in 2013, too. And considering it was the A's spending $10m, no way in hell was he going to get cut very quickly. Under what cirumstances was he pretty bad in 2013? Honest question. He let more guys on base than the previous two years, but he seemed to get the job done and keep them from scoring a ton on him. Also its only 1.6 million with 900k in incentives. That doesn't seem like a terrible risk to take (but also I have no idea what the braves are doing in general). Thom P. Tiers fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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Isn't Jim Johnson one or two years removed from a career year with the Orioles though? 101 Saves in 12 and 13 combined is pretty solid. It's worth a flyer as it looks like he just had a terrible year.
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thompson posted:Isn't Jim Johnson one or two years removed from a career year with the Orioles though? 101 Saves in 12 and 13 combined is pretty solid. It's worth a flyer as it looks like he just had a terrible year. He only struck out ~6 batters per 9 over those two seasons. Even though he didn't walk a lot of guys, that just didn't seem like a safe bet. I think part of the justification pro-A's writers took for defending the A's acquiring him is that giving Johnson saves in his last contract year suppressed the number of saves that younger cost-controlled relievers could get and would keep those relievers on a cheaper salary through the arbitration process.
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That elite closer ability is pretty fleeting. One year you have it, and the next you don't. One sign that you don't is when you get picked up by the Tigers, and that was last year, so
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Johnson has the peripherals of a racehorse, hope that helps.
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Thom P. Tiers posted:Under what cirumstances was he pretty bad in 2013? Honest question. He let more guys on base than the previous two years, but he seemed to get the job done and keep them from scoring a ton on him. His main problem in 2013 was that when he was good he looked just barely good enough and when he was bad, he was really bad and all over the place with his location. He also suddenly became extremely hittable, though Johnson has never really been an overpowering force on the mound and has pretty much always pitched to contact. And for some reason, the dude just completely lost his feel for the ball in 2014 and ended up getting hit really, really hard pretty much all the time. Some of it probably boils down to lovely luck, too, because that's how baseball goes sometimes.
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I wouldn't be against the Braves acquiring Johnson on principle, 1.6 million isn't a whole lot for a lottery ticket reliever, and the bullpen needed someone since they traded Walden. I'm just absolutely terrified that Fredi is going to keep putting him out in high leverage situations, long after it's obvious that Johnson's just not a good reliever.
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TheFlyingLlama posted:I wouldn't be against the Braves acquiring Johnson on principle, 1.6 million isn't a whole lot for a lottery ticket reliever, and the bullpen needed someone since they traded Walden. I'm just absolutely terrified that Fredi is going to keep putting him out in high leverage situations, long after it's obvious that Johnson's just not a good reliever. It's not that 1.6 million dollars is a lot for a lottery ticket reliever, it's that 20 dollars is a lot for Jim Johnson.
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TheFlyingLlama posted:I wouldn't be against the Braves acquiring Johnson on principle, 1.6 million isn't a whole lot for a lottery ticket reliever, and the bullpen needed someone since they traded Walden. I'm just absolutely terrified that Fredi is going to keep putting him out in high leverage situations, long after it's obvious that Johnson's just not a good reliever. You seem to be implying that Fredi is a bad manager 
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TheChaosPath posted:Man I wish I had the slightest interest in any sport other than baseball
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Dr. Tommy John posted:It's not that 1.6 million dollars is a lot for a lottery ticket reliever, it's that 20 dollars is a lot for Jim Johnson. Sure if you think he's gone forever and will never return. But he had 400 major league innings before 2014 that I would argue he was an average to above average pitcher.
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I'm obviously being a bit obtuse with my 20 dollar statement and anyone who can throw a big league pitch usually gets a big league job, but Jim Johnson's successful seasons are at least a little bit of 'dancing between the raindrops.' He had good years when he managed to keep his BABIP low and keep the ball on the ground a few standard deviations above normal. As he's aged, it looks like his 'dart like crazy, pitch to contact' skillset has degraded into a 'just pitch to contact' one and that's a bad place to be as a pitcher who's never really had very effective stuff. He might have been trying to reinvent himself in 2013-14 since his K rate actually rose to near the league average for a starting pitcher but his walk rate, HR/FB and BABIP skyrocketed with it suggesting that he's not only been unlucky but that he's becoming more hittable, especially on his bread and butter pitch. If a guy like Johnson loses the ability to limit hard contact, he's pretty much a batting practice pitcher. Doubly so if his GB% doesn't remain amongst the league leaders.
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Dr. Tommy John posted:If a guy like Johnson loses the ability to limit hard contact, he's pretty much a batting practice pitcher. Doubly so if his GB% doesn't remain amongst the league leaders. I have all the faith in the world in Fredi Jesus González to know when to take a pitcher out of the game, or to know when to not use him in certain situations. 
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In non-roster move news from the minor leagues, the Oklahoma City Redhawks are now the Oklahoma City Dodgers, complete with new logos and uniforms: With that in mind, I'll just let this quote sit here and let you figure it out: quote:“We didn't just want to slap ‘Oklahoma City’ over an existing Dodgers logo and call it a day,” said Ross Yoshida, Los Angeles Dodgers Director of Graphic Design in a Dodgers press release. “We wanted to tailor the Dodger brand to something that people in Oklahoma City could take pride in, hence elements like the homage to Bricktown on the primary logo and the SkyDance Bridge patch on the home uniforms.”
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Tedd_Not_Ed posted:In non-roster move news from the minor leagues, the Oklahoma City Redhawks are now the Oklahoma City Dodgers, complete with new logos and uniforms: I like them. They're not the chihuahuas but who is?
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hahahahaahahahahahaha rob neyer hahahahaahahahahahah https://twitter.com/robneyer/status/540225313670569984
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