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They give us guns and drugs Then wonder why in the gently caress we thugs They wanna count the slugs Then come around here and gently caress with us (Uh huh) They give us guns and drugs Then wonder why in the gently caress we thugs They wanna count the slugs Then come around here and gently caress with us ~ attributed to Warrior-Poet Ice Cube in his writings "Laugh Now, Cry Later" circa 2006 CE Post, yo
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Prediction on his ultimate troll: President Obama outlaws the NFL and football at all levels, by executive order, in January of 2017.
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Dec 2, 2014 16:09
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I never got what Ice Cube meant about "A horse is a pig that doesn't fly straight"
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Dec 2, 2014 16:32
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I'm just gonna reply in this threadTrabisnikof posted:What about my privacy? If police have body cameras, someone might make a public records request and be able to see me not getting a ticket after I showed the cop my business card! http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/dr20141127-washington-state-police-overwhelmed-by-public-requests-for-dash-and-bodycam-footage quote:In September, a local anonymous software developer, The Requester, began making public records requests to Washington state police departments, asking for copies of “any and all video” on file. The requests became a burden for most police departments and worrisome for police chiefs and the public at large who raised concerns of privacy. “We figured if the sergeant who’s in charge of our video program, if he spent an hour a day, five days a week, we would maybe be able to get this stuff viewed by 2017,” said Police Chief Alan Townsend of the city of Poulsbo. “But the reality is that’s just real-time viewing. That’s not the time it would take to redact the videos, to block the sound out that might be required and also black out faces and so forth.” It's actually a great way to shut down body cam programs in some states!
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Dec 2, 2014 16:36
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So on a scale of "hosed" to "completely hosed", how hosed are we in the next debt ceiling fight, whenever it comes along? And when is it supposed to come along, anyway? I'd like to know if I'm going to spend Christmas in Mad Max world or not, thanks.
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Dec 2, 2014 16:42
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Munkeymon posted:I'm just gonna reply in this thread Wouldn't the police department be able to immediately deny this request on the grounds that the FOIA has an exception for police records and material that would violate privacy?
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Dec 2, 2014 16:45
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Deval Patrick, 2014 graduate of the Obama School of Trolling. Also, the Atlantic is lousy with "what about Democrats and the white working class" handwringing today.
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Dec 2, 2014 16:45
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Gen. Ripper posted:So on a scale of "hosed" to "completely hosed", how hosed are we in the next debt ceiling fight, whenever it comes along? And when is it supposed to come along, anyway? I'd like to know if I'm going to spend Christmas in Mad Max world or not, thanks. Get a pineapple, cover it in sulfuric acid (as lube), then shove it up your butt. That hosed.
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Dec 2, 2014 16:47
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The Rams posted:Demoff said he expressed remorse about how the actions of the players were construed but did not apologize for the actions themselves.
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Dec 2, 2014 16:48
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It'll be an interesting 1.5 years of Congress running this country into the ground, then six months of them getting in cat fights with outgoing president Obama so they can be reelected to the majority in both houses in 2016.
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The debt limit doesn't expire until March 15, so there's some time on that. The current crisis is whether Boehner can get his conference to vote for a continuing resolution on the budget that will fund the government past December 11. The plan right now is to allow a vote on a separate bill by Ted Yoho that defunds Obama's immigration orders. The current Senate won't take up that bill, but it will let Republicans in the House feel like they did something instead of passing the budget extender without any objections.
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Dec 2, 2014 16:49
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Joementum posted:The debt limit doesn't expire until March 15, so there's some time on that. The current crisis is whether Boehner can get his conference to vote for a continuing resolution on the budget that will fund the government past December 11. The plan right now is to allow a vote on a separate bill by Ted Yoho that defunds Obama's immigration orders. The current Senate won't take up that bill, but it will let Republicans in the House feel like they did something instead of passing the budget extender without any objections.
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My mistake. It doesn't defund, it nullifies.quote:SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
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quote:Effective Date.--This Act shall have effect retroactively, and Does this mean it's going to retroactively roll back similar actions taken by previous presidents? Huh.
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Dec 2, 2014 17:09
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I know everyones mind is on the budget scrap, but this article got my attention:Conservatives Call On Rick Perry To Halt Execution Of Scott PanettiA whole bunch of Conservatives posted:Each of us has been active at the national level of the conservative movement for many years, and no one could accuse us of being soft on crime. Among conservatives there is much debate about the effectiveness and the morality of the death penalty. Some crimes are so terrible, and committed with such clear malice, that some believe that execution seems the only appropriate and proportional response. But Scott Panetti’s is no such case. [...] It seems that some conservatives feel the wind is shifting against the death penalty, what with many recent executions being completely botched and the drugs for execution disappearing thanks to companies refusing to sell them to the US. What are the chances Rick Perry actually stops the execution? Of course, this is in Texas where prosecutors think that a man who buried his furniture in his front yard to purge Satan from it and has been in and out of 12 mental hospitals is faking. I really don't expect this dumb motherfucker to do anything but put on his smart people glasses and give a statement about how he makes the tough choices. Or not even say anything. Hell, he already knowingly executed a man who was innocent, so what is one guilty schizophrenic? gently caress, Rick Perry is literal human trash.
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Dec 2, 2014 17:16
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Lol, can they actually do that even? I'm pretty sure that there's something in the constitution about ex post facto laws. e: though I guess immigration status is a civil thing, and the bit in the constitution has been held to only apply to criminal matters, so maybe they can. ReidRansom fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Dec 2, 2014 |
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Dec 2, 2014 17:17
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ReidRansom posted:Lol, can they actually do that even? I'm pretty sure that there's something in the constitution about ex post facto laws. Since it's clarifying the Congressional intent of an existing law, maybe. Anyway, that's only a problem if the EAPA ever becomes law, which it won't.
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I'm pretty sure the ex-post facto thing only applies to people. Like you can't be put in jail for selling a designer drug a week ago if it was made illegal today. Not sure how that applies to disputes between the branches of the federal government. Also as suspicious as I am of anything Republicans do, I'm very happy about this move against the death penalty. It's absolutely a calculated political tactic, because there's no way all the conservative politicians involved in it actually care about this guy. Ken Cuccinelli is a straight-up psychopath and even he's telling Rick Perry it's wrong. If the GOP does anything remotely liberal the Democrats are going to have to copy it, so maybe we'll see an end to the awful practice in my lifetime.
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Dec 2, 2014 17:26
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g0del posted:Aren't all the immigration things self-funding (because congress defunded them a long time ago)? How can congress defund something which doesn't get it's funds from congress in the first place? A lot of "self funding" programs are only self funding because Congress has specified that their budget is equal to the fees they take in and that those fees only go to that agency and not the general fund. There is normally nothing beyond it looking bad politically keeping Congress from recinding that arrangement and redirecting the fee income to whatever else. The agency I work for is "self funding" but in the Bush years a good chunk of our fee income was raided and redirected to Congressional pet projects. This is the reason why even self funding agencies shut down when a budget isn't passed; the money is there but legally it must be appropriated to them to use it.
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That's interesting because I've heard so many people on NPR and the like say that there was nothing congress could actually do to pull funds from self-funded agencies. So essentially there's nothing stopping congress from yanking the money from anything they don't like?
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Dec 2, 2014 18:02
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Well no, unless what they're doing is unconstitutional, in which case the Supreme Court issues a judgment. That's the point of them both having the Power of the Purse and being the primary lawmakers in this country. Remember that originally they were meant to be the strongest branch and the executive had a much smaller role, and anything that happened was supposed to happen through a bill.
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Dec 2, 2014 18:13
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Mineaiki posted:Well no, unless what they're doing is unconstitutional, in which case the Supreme Court issues a judgment. That's the point of them both having the Power of the Purse and being the primary lawmakers in this country. Remember that originally they were meant to be the strongest branch and the executive had a much smaller role, and anything that happened was supposed to happen through a bill. Harrison, McKinley, Taft, and Clinton were men of action.
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Mineaiki posted:Well no, unless what they're doing is unconstitutional, in which case the Supreme Court issues a judgment. That's the point of them both having the Power of the Purse and being the primary lawmakers in this country. Remember that originally they were meant to be the strongest branch and the executive had a much smaller role, and anything that happened was supposed to happen through a bill. 'Originally' the American government was either a pragmatic compromise between people who disagreed entirely on how it should be set up, or a utopian construction that only worked as intended in the fever dreams of the colonial aristocracy, depending on who you believe. The Supreme Court did not originally have constitutional authority, Congressmen weren't necessarily intended to be elected by general suffrage, the President was supposed to be a quasi-monarch, etc. It was never supposed to be a parliamentary system like you see today, that at least is certain.
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Dec 2, 2014 19:18
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Michigan's electoral votes are safe for now. The committee adjourned without a vote.
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So theoretically if we have an election where the popular vote goes to a candidate, the electoral votes WOULD have gone to that candidate under current conditions, but due to shady State level shenanigans they are able to get a narrow electoral win does anyone that matters actually care or does the System just chug along.
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Radish posted:So theoretically if we have an election where the popular vote goes to a candidate, the electoral votes WOULD have gone to that candidate under current conditions, but due to shady State level shenanigans they are able to get a narrow electoral win does anyone that matters actually care or does the System just chug along. Uh were you alive in 2000? Or 1876?
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Dec 2, 2014 19:45
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Radish posted:So theoretically if we have an election where the popular vote goes to a candidate, the electoral votes WOULD have gone to that candidate under current conditions, but due to shady State level shenanigans they are able to get a narrow electoral win does anyone that matters actually care or does the System just chug along. Depends on which party wins. Republicans win via that method, democrats have much gnashing of teeth over it but do nothing about it while the republicans would flip their poo poo if the opposite happened. Raskolnikov38 fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Dec 2, 2014 |
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Dec 2, 2014 19:45
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zoux posted:Uh were you alive in 2000? Or 1876? 1960 is a closer parallel. Nixon was convinced until his death that Daley and Johnson fixed the polls.
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Dec 2, 2014 19:46
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Joementum posted:1960 is a closer parallel. Nixon was convinced until his death that Daley and Johnson fixed the polls. Yeah but Kennedy didn't officially lose the popular vote like Bush did. And Johnson stuffed ballot boxes to win office at Texas State Teacher's College, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if he fixed the thing. There aren't any cases of electoral voters defecting are there?
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Dec 2, 2014 19:47
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zoux posted:There aren't any cases of electoral voters defecting are there? There have been nine, though half of those were pissed off Dixiecrats.
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Dec 2, 2014 19:53
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One, I believe, was someone who got shitfaced and voted "John Ewards" for president and "John Edwards" for vice president. Dems don't take losing well.
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Joementum posted:My mistake. It doesn't defund, it nullifies. won't have any effect; executive action doesn't make them exempt, it defers adjudication
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Dec 2, 2014 19:56
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Michigan's districts are gerrymandered so much that in a presidential election they want the majority of the popular vote in those districts to go to the presidential candidate. There would be no way for any one candidate to win all 16 EV's and Michigan becomes even more unimportant than it already is. It's a painfully stupid idea and today's hearing was mostly people telling this stupid committee in Lansing why they're dumber than a box of rocks if they actually vote on it.
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Dec 2, 2014 19:58
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:won't have any effect; executive action doesn't make them exempt, it defers adjudication the way to legislatively prevent Obama's action is to require that deportations happen on a first come first served basis
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Michigan's districts are gerrymandered so much that in a presidential election they want the majority of the popular vote in those districts to go to the presidential candidate. There would be no way for any one candidate to win all 16 EV's and Michigan becomes even more unimportant than it already is. It's a painfully stupid idea and today's hearing was mostly people telling this stupid committee in Lansing why they're dumber than a box of rocks if they actually vote on it. The Virginia GOP was thinking about doing the same thing after the state went to Obama in 2012 but a combination of sensible people that came to that same revelation of state electoral irrelevance and a few actual non-shitlords that didn't think it was ethical stopped it from gaining any traction.
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Joementum posted:There have been nine, though half of those were pissed off Dixiecrats. Huh, that's actually very interesting.
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haveblue posted:Wouldn't the police department be able to immediately deny this request on the grounds that the FOIA has an exception for police records and material that would violate privacy? Apparently the state law has no such exception 
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Radish posted:So theoretically ... does anyone that matters actually care or does the System just chug along. No, inertia is a property of politics.
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Joementum posted:1960 is a closer parallel. Nixon was convinced until his death that Daley and Johnson fixed the polls. Well, they probably did. Daley at the very least, Johnson maybe or maybe not. He still wouldn't have won though, he would have needed to carry Illinois and Texas to win, and that was unlikely even without any tampering
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Munkeymon posted:I'm just gonna reply in this thread http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025067415_spdpubdisclosurexml.html He withdrew his request and is now helping them figure out how to be able to comply in the future.
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