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Bloco lost votes because it kept trying to be PS's lapdog, not because it was too anti-PS. It got a lot of splits exactly because they were going to the center. Outside of the feminist aspect i don't even see Bloco as having much to do with the left when you look at their propaganda of recent times. With CDU getting more and more friendly torwards feminism (loving finally) i think Bloc has become byzantine. It's not about being true left wing, it's about defending policies and standing your ground against austerity. CDU fights against austerity and has no shame in doing so. PS literally defends it's neither PASOK nor SYRIZA and that the on-going process won't end when they reach power and the solution is for the left to bow down to them? Like the did after the revolution? If Bloco and Livre had balls to actually talk about PS and the harm the EU does to us they'd probably get more votes, instead they try so hard not to bother PS-voters and pretend to be EU-friendly that the voters end up not caring. That's why they're flocking to heinous poo poo like Marinho Pinto's fan club. CDU's conservative stance against risks is extremely frustrating, no doubt about that, but they were never opposed to friendship from outside parties as long as they accept not to be neoliberal animals. CDU concedes a lot of power and responsibility in their elected areas to people from the Bloc, PS and even PSD and they have no problems in giving them credit where it's due. In return the people from those parties act like responsible politicians, when they're laughably corrupt when their party is in power. Don't blame CDU's conservatism for the failure of the left in Portugal. If the leftists who call CDU big stalinist meanies who live on the past (funny enough, they're the youngest party in the country, Cunhal wrote some pretty big criticisms of the soviet bloc and why it failed and you'll find bigger critics of Angola's ruling party inside the party than in CDS) had capacity to organize themselves in any way and pushed forward a policy that wasn't "we want to be PS's CDS" there's no reason to believe CDU would be against them. Fact of the matter is a lot of the non-red left likes to blame CDU for the problems of the country. Maybe Tavares would find better allies in Paulo Portas instead. And lol, Livre was and is a cult of personality(ies) and received loads of media exposition that some existing parties never received in their entire existence and the media acts like their leaders are equal to parliamentary elected politicians. The media spin about Livre is so large that i seriously don't understand how people still think they're anything but a prop. This media portraits any police violence against blacks like they were PNR drones, they portrait protests and strikes like terrorists and ignored all social movement in Portugal like it was a plague and suddendly Livre became media darlings. How is that not suspect? And don't get me start on the lolfest tht was Que se Lixe a Troika. You mean the group that fell apart when part of their leadership threw a hissy-fit because leftists (affiliated with  PCP and the Bloc ) went against the leadership regarding how to run street protests? (Morons like Labrincha literally defended that people should protest only until the police gave them permission, anyone hiding their faces or being hostile to the cops should be attacked by the mob and given to the cops, it should be totally prohibited to occupy buildings or do in-house protests because it would go against private property and peace, and this is just what comes to my head at the moment). Not to mention how anything that went wrong in any of those social movements would be immediately characterized as PCP\Bloc sabotage. A single registered member couldn't work with them because they'd immediatly become black sheeps and used as a pinata when the pathethic "popular assemblies" and whatever other nonsense resulted in jackshit.You want the left to grow? Tell CDU to be less conservative and content in ruling in their strongholds, tell the rest of the left to stop blaming CDU and the bloc for everything that goes wrong and treat PS like it was CDS. I'm not even going to comment on the extremely sad remark about CGTP being PCP's lapdog. CGTP has more members than PCP. CGTP has PS and PSD leaders working side to side with communists. It's the biggest defender of worker rights in the country. If you still have any work conditions, security or wages it's because of CGTP. CGTP is a "lapdog" of the unionized workers who pay their dues, elected their representatives and make their demands. That's some straight up libertarian\CDS\PNR\Monarchist poo poo you said right there.
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Mans posted:Bloco lost votes because it kept trying to be PS's lapdog, not because it was too anti-PS. It got a lot of splits exactly because they were going to the center. Outside of the feminist aspect i don't even see Bloco as having much to do with the left when you look at their propaganda of recent times. With CDU getting more and more friendly torwards feminism (loving finally) i think Bloc has become byzantine. This is straight up false. BE has been doing the opposite of this since Louça became secretary general, or are you forgetting everything that happened with Joana Amaral Dias in 2006, not taking the coalition deal with Socrates in 2009, voting against PEC IV, refusing to attend the troika meetings(attend not signing it), and the last years of Martins/Semedo leadership where it has been simply adrift without a solid line of thinking, and now that Martins is running solo it still isn't going to change. Many of the splits within BE was due the party turning a poor parody version of PCP, and Louça favouring his friends like Mortagua. BE isn't buddy to PS, it hasn't been for 10 years now, and they can't walk away from the corner they got themselves into. It's a useless party as essentially it serves no purpose on Portuguese politics. It doesn't have the history or the connections that PCP has, it's talent and charisma has all gone away, and it always dodges the question of a PS/BE partnership, and at this point PS is probably no longer interested. quote:I'm not even going to comment on the extremely sad remark about CGTP being PCP's lapdog. CGTP has more members than PCP. CGTP has PS and PSD leaders working side to side with communists. It's the biggest defender of worker rights in the country. If you still have any work conditions, security or wages it's because of CGTP. CGTP is a "lapdog" of the unionized workers who pay their dues, elected their representatives and make their demands. I'm neither disputing CGTP work or it's place as a force for worker rights. But much like UGT, CGTP is part of the Party political game. Getting CGTP leadership back was very important for Jeronimo de Sousa's rebuilding of PCP, as the party was desperate in need of having again a force to work on the streets. With Carvalho da Silva running CGTP, a name you'll most likely see on PS short list for President, this simply wasn't possible. Armenio Carlos is a PCP militant and sits on PCP national congress table, he won the union leadership with PCP backing, and works along side Sousa on planning strikes, demonstrations, and rallies. Much of the regional and municipal administration has also been going to unionist that are directly affiliated to PCP. I know my CGTP very well, I go to their rallies and I know plenty of people inside the Algarve administration, not a particular stranger either to it's inner workings or infighting, and CGTP today is very much a PCP business. Where that's good or bad depends on the point of view I guess. It's a union that is far more active today than 5 years ago, but it's clearly no longer capable of working out a bigger mass of people or command more weight like it used to be.(Though that is very much Silva's fault) quote:Cunhal wrote some pretty big criticisms of the soviet bloc and why it failed This does not change that he still died believing the USSR was the greatest force of good in the world, and that denouncing the Soviet Union is still grounds to get you kicked out of the party. Electronico6 fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Feb 10, 2015 |
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Pedro Sánchez, secretary general of PSOE tried to fire Tomás Gómez secretary general of PSM (partido socialista de madrid ) due to a certain irregularities in the construction of the Parla light train.And to solidify his own leadership. So now the madrid's federation of the socialist party is trying to fight every charge and the party is decomposing in front on the entire country.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_2vC0y7Dtw y el otro claro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGngjaclMwI wheez the roux fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Feb 26, 2015 |
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Feb 26, 2015 23:21
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ya casi llega la hora de las elecciones municipales. Que aguirre vaya a la chingada, ¡vamos manuela!
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