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Nigmaetcetera
Nov 17, 2004

borkborkborkmorkmorkmork-gabbalooins

Enver Zogha posted:

As an aside, I shall try to get permission from International Publishers (the publishing arm of the CPUSA, I've scanned a bunch of books from them already on early US history with their permission) to scan The Populist Movement in the United States (from 1943) and Gene Debs: the Story of a Fighting American (from 1948) if possible. If that goes well then hooray I'll scan them.

I figure a few people would find this interesting.

...

Badly disguised bump.

You sound like a big pussy asking permission from a bunch of soviet cosplayers

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Enver Zogha
Nov 12, 2008

The modern revisionists and reactionaries call us Stalinists, thinking that they insult us and, in fact, that is what they have in mind. But, on the contrary, they glorify us with this epithet; it is an honor for us to be Stalinists.

Nigmaetcetera posted:

You sound like a big pussy asking permission from a bunch of soviet cosplayers
Lawrence & Wishart (which used to be the publishing house of the CPGB before that party died) forced Marxists dot org to take down Marx and Engels' Collected Works, so yeah if I put a book online it'd be nice if it wasn't taken down and complaints made that I violated copyright.

RainMaker
Oct 25, 2012

This is me every time you post.

Enver Zogha posted:

Lawrence & Wishart (which used to be the publishing house of the CPGB before that party died) forced Marxists dot org to take down Marx and Engels' Collected Works, so yeah if I put a book online it'd be nice if it wasn't taken down and complaints made that I violated copyright.

How is there copyright still for marx and engels stuff?

TEAYCHES
Jun 23, 2002

RainMaker posted:

How is there copyright still for marx and engels stuff?

idk something about them compiling it and being unbelievably lovely people

Enver Zogha
Nov 12, 2008

The modern revisionists and reactionaries call us Stalinists, thinking that they insult us and, in fact, that is what they have in mind. But, on the contrary, they glorify us with this epithet; it is an honor for us to be Stalinists.

RainMaker posted:

How is there copyright still for marx and engels stuff?
I dunno about the German originals, but the English-language translation copyrights were jointly managed by Progress Publishers (Moscow, aka CPSU; died along with the party), International Publishers (New York, aka CPUSA) and Lawrence & Wishart (London, aka CPGB; party died but publishers remain.) Marxists dot org was allowed to put up the first ten volumes from L&W for a decade on the condition that they could withdraw this permission at any time. Apparently L&W is financially hurting so it told the webmaster to take them down.

Enver Zogha
Nov 12, 2008

The modern revisionists and reactionaries call us Stalinists, thinking that they insult us and, in fact, that is what they have in mind. But, on the contrary, they glorify us with this epithet; it is an honor for us to be Stalinists.
In what is probably the communist version of Christmas, I just found out that Marx, Engels, Lenin: On Historical Materialism already exists online in PDF format: http://libgen.org/book/index.php?md5=62CCD0E73FA1B890A97093EA0820A135 (so that choice is being removed from the list)

Which also provides a convenient excuse for one last bump before voting ends on January 1.

Nigmaetcetera
Nov 17, 2004

borkborkborkmorkmorkmork-gabbalooins
No one cares and nobody will read them,

Enver Zogha
Nov 12, 2008

The modern revisionists and reactionaries call us Stalinists, thinking that they insult us and, in fact, that is what they have in mind. But, on the contrary, they glorify us with this epithet; it is an honor for us to be Stalinists.

Nigmaetcetera posted:

No one cares and nobody will read them,
1,673 people downloaded Modern History of Korea put out by the DPRK in the late 70s. :smug:

Also a bunch of other things I've uploaded have 100-300 DLs and they've only been up for a few months. Doesn't mean everyone reads them from front to back but hey, maybe they use it for research or they're just curious or something.

Segata Sanshiro
Sep 10, 2011

we can live for nothing
baby i don't care

lose me like the ocean
feel the motion

:coolfish:

the one about MLK. USSR's perspective on his ideology/religion/death would be p interesting to me. commies talked a big game about anti-racism, all men being brothers, etc but these are russians we're talking about so let's see what they REALLY thought

HarlanHell
Nov 16, 2012

Nevermind that shit here comes Mingo!

Salt Fish posted:

* History of the Usa Since World War I (1976)

Enver Zogha
Nov 12, 2008

The modern revisionists and reactionaries call us Stalinists, thinking that they insult us and, in fact, that is what they have in mind. But, on the contrary, they glorify us with this epithet; it is an honor for us to be Stalinists.

Feranon posted:

the one about MLK. USSR's perspective on his ideology/religion/death would be p interesting to me. commies talked a big game about anti-racism, all men being brothers, etc but these are russians we're talking about so let's see what they REALLY thought
FWIW there's an interesting chapter on blacks in the USSR from a 1985 book (not published by the Soviets): https://archive.org/details/SovietButNotRussian

HollywoodDialysis
Jan 19, 2005

not doing nothing
Grimey Drawer
also voting for the Races of Man

The 5th Foid
Nov 22, 2014

by Ralp
Dosnt matter much to me up, as I can't read Russian.

Nigmaetcetera
Nov 17, 2004

borkborkborkmorkmorkmork-gabbalooins
Didn't the soviets write any fun books that weren't about economic theory or politics? Was there a soviet equivalent of huckleberry finn? What about the hardy boys or nancy drew? Was there a soviet Stephen King? A soviet Isaac Asimov? Those are the books that need preserved. To lose a story is a tragic thing, to lose a book of propaganda made up mostly of charts, graphs, and tables full of inflated numbers, well, big deal, there's tons of those, stories are each unique. If there's already an archive somewhere of soviet literature that's actually enjoyable (contains no or very little propaganda, isn't suicide-inducingly depressing), please link me to it, because you (and most other people) have given me the impression that the soviets were entirely joyless and devoid of imagination. This cannot possibly be true. Please tell me I'm wrong and they enjoyed more than just drinking, working, attending military parades, and reading propaganda.

Kilmers Elbow
Jun 15, 2012

Nigmaetcetera posted:

Didn't the soviets write any fun books that weren't about economic theory or politics? Was there a soviet equivalent of huckleberry finn? What about the hardy boys or nancy drew? Was there a soviet Stephen King? A soviet Isaac Asimov? Those are the books that need preserved. To lose a story is a tragic thing, to lose a book of propaganda made up mostly of charts, graphs, and tables full of inflated numbers, well, big deal, there's tons of those, stories are each unique. If there's already an archive somewhere of soviet literature that's actually enjoyable (contains no or very little propaganda, isn't suicide-inducingly depressing), please link me to it, because you (and most other people) have given me the impression that the soviets were entirely joyless and devoid of imagination. This cannot possibly be true. Please tell me I'm wrong and they enjoyed more than just drinking, working, attending military parades, and reading propaganda.

The Master and Margarita.

(it's a critique of Sovietism(?) so not sure it counts as a 'Soviet' book)

Nigmaetcetera
Nov 17, 2004

borkborkborkmorkmorkmork-gabbalooins

Kilmers Elbow posted:

The Master and Margarita.

(it's a critique of Sovietism(?) so not sure it counts as a 'Soviet' book)

kindle version not available for purchase :(

u fink u hard Percy
Sep 14, 2007

Communist Morality (1962)
History of the Usa Since World War I (1976)
The Soviet Peasantry: An Outline History (1917-1970) (1975)

This better pan out OP or I warn you.

Suicide Sam E.
Jun 30, 2013

by XyloJW
Page three and I have to be the rear end in a top hat? Fine.

OP, you're wasting your time. Russia has scans and usually PDFs of every book already. Just download them. The ruskies may be godless commies who almost got Cuba to nuke us, almost beat us to the moon, and almost formed a non-criminal government, but they're leagues ahead of the USA in terms of free information. Just thank the stars and stripes we still have firearms, music, and pornography!

JimsonTheBetrayer
Oct 13, 2010

Game's over, and fuck you Jimson. It's not my fault that you guys couldn't get your shit together by deadline. No one gets access to docs because I don't fucking care anymore, I hope you all enjoyed ruining my game, and there won't be another.

Broenheim posted:

The hungry caterpillar

Enver Zogha
Nov 12, 2008

The modern revisionists and reactionaries call us Stalinists, thinking that they insult us and, in fact, that is what they have in mind. But, on the contrary, they glorify us with this epithet; it is an honor for us to be Stalinists.

Suicide Sam E. posted:

OP, you're wasting your time. Russia has scans and usually PDFs of every book already. Just download them. The ruskies may be godless commies who almost got Cuba to nuke us, almost beat us to the moon, and almost formed a non-criminal government, but they're leagues ahead of the USA in terms of free information. Just thank the stars and stripes we still have firearms, music, and pornography!
This is true if you're talking about Russian books in the Russian language, but these are books which were translated into English and which existed to be exported to English-language countries. They aren't on those sites.

Also yesterday I got a Soviet book on neocolonialism in the mail (it wasn't on the list and it was cheap so I bought it myself.) I shall scan it later. Another book I got yesterday was from a Western pro-Soviet guy on how Pol Pot was an rear end in a top hat and the Vietnamese intervention was a good thing. I already scanned it since it's only 148 pages compared to 300+ for Soviet book.

Daimo posted:

This better pan out OP or I warn you.
It will. The worst case scenario is that the winning book was already bought by someone else, as I said was a possibility in the first post. In that case the second choice is selected.

Nigmaetcetera posted:

Didn't the soviets write any fun books that weren't about economic theory or politics?
They did translate a bunch of Soviet novels into English too but I have no interest in obtaining/scanning them. :colbert:

Enver Zogha fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Dec 30, 2014

Stoic Commie
Aug 29, 2005

by XyloJW
History of Religion (1989)

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug
The Races of Mankind (1966)

Sweet_Joke_Nectar
Jun 7, 2007

i'm a little shai :3

Fandyien posted:

* The Races of Mankind (1966)

Edgar Allan Pwned
Apr 4, 2011

Quoth the Raven "I love the power glove. It's so bad..."
Martin Luther king or are the Moscow reporters being truthful about the USSR. Although I'm hoping the psychological profiling of mao is hosed up and mean but china and the ussr were friends for a little bit so maybe not

Enver Zogha
Nov 12, 2008

The modern revisionists and reactionaries call us Stalinists, thinking that they insult us and, in fact, that is what they have in mind. But, on the contrary, they glorify us with this epithet; it is an honor for us to be Stalinists.

Edgar Allan Pwned posted:

Although I'm hoping the psychological profiling of mao is hosed up and mean but china and the ussr were friends for a little bit so maybe not
It's going to be quite critical. China and the USSR didn't patch up relations until the mid-late 80s. In 1980 Deng was claiming that the USA and China were in a "united front against hegemonism" (aka the USSR), China had just invaded Vietnam in retaliation for it toppling Pol Pot, and the Soviets were still making GBS threads all over Chinese foreign policy as objectively pro-imperialist.

It's apparently a pretty interesting book but, again, not going to be sympathetic to him.

AKA Pseudonym
May 16, 2004

A dashing and sophisticated young man
Doctor Rope
- What Is the Working People's Power?

It would be interesting to see how they wanted to present themsleves to themsleves as they were busy reforming/collapsing

Suicide Sam E.
Jun 30, 2013

by XyloJW

Fandyien posted:

* The Races of Mankind (1966)

Robert Louis Stevenson

29. Foreign Children

LITTLE Indian, Sioux or Crow,
Little frosty Eskimo,
Little Turk or Japanee,
O! don’t you wish that you were me?

You have seen the scarlet trees 5
And the lions over seas;
You have eaten ostrich eggs,
And turned the turtles off their legs.

Such a life is very fine,
But it’s not so nice as mine: 10
You must often, as you trod,
Have wearied, not to be abroad.

You have curious things to eat,
I am fed on proper meat;
You must dwell beyond the foam, 15
But I am safe and live at home.

Little Indian, Sioux or Crow,
Little frosty Eskimo,
Little Turk or Japanee,
O! don’t you wish that you were me? 20

IzzyFnStradlin
Jun 19, 2004

Salt Fish posted:

* History of the Usa Since World War I (1976)

or

Hogge Wild posted:

The Races of Mankind (1966)

Enver Zogha
Nov 12, 2008

The modern revisionists and reactionaries call us Stalinists, thinking that they insult us and, in fact, that is what they have in mind. But, on the contrary, they glorify us with this epithet; it is an honor for us to be Stalinists.
The day of reckoning is near. :aaa:

Here's two books I just scanned, one Soviet, the other pro-Soviet:
* https://archive.org/details/NeocolonialismMethodsAndManoeuvres
* https://archive.org/details/KampucheaTheRevolutionRescued

So yeah in the last hours of today (Dec. 31) I'll tally all the votes everywhere and we will see what Soviet book (or two) will enter the glory zone of the Internet.

Enver Zogha
Nov 12, 2008

The modern revisionists and reactionaries call us Stalinists, thinking that they insult us and, in fact, that is what they have in mind. But, on the contrary, they glorify us with this epithet; it is an honor for us to be Stalinists.
Voting has ended!

A total of 170 people voted from 14 different places. Goons made up 21% (the highest) of that amount.

The results:

* The Races of Mankind (1966) 31
* History of the USA Since World War I (1976) 27
* History of Religion (1989) 18
* Communist Morality (1962) 18
* The Life and Death of Martin Luther King (1981) 14
* Soviet Financial System (1966) 14
* The Soviet Court (1973) 13
* An ABC of Planning (1982) 13
* Mao Tse-Tung: An Ideological and Psychological Portrait (1980) 12
* The Soviet Peasantry: An Outline History (1917-1970) (1975) 11
* Cities without Crisis (1976, CPUSA journalist reporting on Soviet cities, put out by Soviet publishing house) 9
* On the Foreign Policy of the Soviet State (Lenin compilation, 497 pages) 9
* Recent History of the Labor Movement in the United States, 1939-1965 (1979) 8
* Logic (1989, on the philosophical concept) 7
* Essays in Contemporary History, 1946-1990 (1990) 7
* Socialist Society: Scientific Principles of Development (1971) 7
* The Great October Revolution and the Intelligentsia: How the Old Intelligentsia Was Drawn Into the Building of Socialism (1975) 6
* Political Economy: Socialism (1977) 6
* The Overseas Expansion of Capital: Past and Present (1985) 6
* Culture and Perestroika (1988) 6
* The Fundamentals of Political Economy (1983) 6
* Lenin the Great Theoretician (1970) 5
* What Is the Working People's Power? (1986, on Soviet government) 5
* Are our Moscow Reporters Giving Us the Facts About the USSR? (1981, another CPUSA journalist work put out by Soviet publishing house) 5
* Cultural Changes in Developing Countries (1976) 5
* The Soviet Political System under Developed Socialism (1977) 5
* Manpower Resources and Population Under Socialism (1979) 4
* Political Economy: Capitalism (1977) 4
* The International Working Class Movement, Problems of History and Theory: Volume 1, The Origins of the Proletariat and Its Evolution as a Revolutionary Class (1980) 4
* The Great October Socialist Revolution (1977, official history textbook) 4
* Developing Nations at the Turn of Millennium (1987) 3
* The Soviet Parliament (A Reference Book) (1967) 3
* The Soviets of Workers' and Soldiers' Deputies on the Eve of the October Revolution, March-October, 1917 (1971) 2
* The First Soviet Government: The True Story of the Russian Revolution and the Building of Socialism (1982) 2
* The Bolshevik Party and the Democratic Revolution in Russia; the First Russian Revolution and the Period of Reaction (1905-1910) (1975) 1

I contacted the guy and he says he'll buy the top two books in February and March.

Enver Zogha fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Jan 1, 2015

Enver Zogha
Nov 12, 2008

The modern revisionists and reactionaries call us Stalinists, thinking that they insult us and, in fact, that is what they have in mind. But, on the contrary, they glorify us with this epithet; it is an honor for us to be Stalinists.
His reply: "It would be difficult to do so this month as I've already spent a lot on buying some Vietnam books from the 'Gioi publishers'. So I can send the first one next month -- i.e. in Feb -- and the second one in March."

:toot:

So yeah that's that. Any scanned works will be available in the link I gave in the first post.

TOILETLORD
Nov 13, 2012

by XyloJW
so did you get the one with the 15 year old with tits bigger than her head or what?

Enver Zogha
Nov 12, 2008

The modern revisionists and reactionaries call us Stalinists, thinking that they insult us and, in fact, that is what they have in mind. But, on the contrary, they glorify us with this epithet; it is an honor for us to be Stalinists.

TOILETLORD posted:

so did you get the one with the 15 year old with tits bigger than her head or what?
Judging by the top two results I'd be getting the equivalent a progressive multiracial peasant blow up doll and three-in-one FDR/JFK/Nixon plushies or something.

Enver Zogha fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Jan 1, 2015

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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only 12 days until i can read about the races of mankind and american history since wwi

Enver Zogha
Nov 12, 2008

The modern revisionists and reactionaries call us Stalinists, thinking that they insult us and, in fact, that is what they have in mind. But, on the contrary, they glorify us with this epithet; it is an honor for us to be Stalinists.

Fojar38 posted:

only 12 days until i can read about the races of mankind and american history since wwi
I got the latter book in the mail today. Expect it uploaded the day after tomorrow (since I have 3 other books to scan first, unrelated to the list: one from 1953 on Soviet economic development since 1917, another on the Spanish Civil War, and one on the peoples of the Soviet far-north and how they were integrated into the new post-1917 society.) :toot:

Enver Zogha fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Jan 20, 2015

Amanda Huggensuck
Nov 8, 2012
I vote propaganda textbook

Horns of Hattin
Dec 21, 2011
American history book was a great choice. You can make a drinking game every for every time you read the word "monopoly", "trusts", "lynch/lynching" and "imperialism", with an extra shot if it's the phrase "imperialism, the final stage of capitalism" .

Enver Zogha
Nov 12, 2008

The modern revisionists and reactionaries call us Stalinists, thinking that they insult us and, in fact, that is what they have in mind. But, on the contrary, they glorify us with this epithet; it is an honor for us to be Stalinists.

eigenstate posted:

American history book was a great choice. You can make a drinking game every for every time you read the word "monopoly", "trusts", "lynch/lynching" and "imperialism", with an extra shot if it's the phrase "imperialism, the final stage of capitalism" .
:colbert:

But yeah here's the table of contents so you know what to expect from this book about a land of sin called AMERIKKKA:

quote:

Chapter I. THE MAIN TRENDS OF CLASS STRUGGLE IN THE USA BETWEEN 1918 and 1923.
1. The Aftermath of World War I in the USA. The Foreign Policy of the Wilson Administration During 1918-1920
2. The Internal Situation and the Basic Factors of Intensified Class Struggle
3. The Upsurge in the Labor and Democratic Movement (1918-1920)
4. The Strengthening of the Left Wing of the Socialist Movement and the Formation of the Communist Party of America (CPA)
5. The Republican Victory. The Domestic and Foreign Policies of the Harding Administration
6. The Labor and Democratic Movement in the Early 1920s
Chapter II. THE USA BETWEEN 1924 AND 1929: THE PARTIAL STABILIZATION OF CAPITALISM
1. Distinctive Features of the Economic Development of the USA During the Period of Stabilization
2. The Class Struggle in the Period of Stabilization
3. US Foreign Policy Between 1924 and 1929
Chapter III. THE USA DURING THE WORLD ECONOMIC CRISIS (1929-1933)
1. The Economic Crisis and the Situation of the Working People
2. The Domestic and Foreign Policies of the Hoover Administration
3. The Mass Workers' Movement in the Period of Economic Crisis (1929-1933)
Chapter IV. THE USA DURING ROOSEVELT'S NEW DEAL (1933-1939)
1. The New Deal and Its Class Nature
2. The Labor and Democratic Movement in the Mid-1930s
3. Changes in the Political Climate and the Leftward Shift in the New Deal
4. The Economic Crisis of 1937-1938 and Its Impact on New Deal Policies
5. US Foreign Policy. 1933-1939
Chapter V. THE USA DURING WORLD WAR II (1939-1945)
1. On the Road to Pearl Harbor
2. US War Aims and Effort
3. The War Economy
4. The Political Party Struggle
5. The Labor Movement
6. American Plans for the Postwar Organization of the World
Chapter VI. THE FORMATION OF POSTWAR FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC POLICY (1945-1948)
1. Problems of Reconversion
2. The Onslaught of Domestic Reaction
3. Imperialist Foreign Policy Doctrines. The Unleashing of the Cold War
4. The Trade Unions and the Communist Party in the Immediate Postwar Years
5. The Election of 1948
Chapter VII. THE REACTIONARY RAMPAGE AND AGGRAVATION OF THE COLD WAR (1949-1954)
1. The Economic Crisis of 1948-1949 and Debacle of Truman's Fair Deal. Unleashing an Anti-communist Hysteria
2. Truman's Point Four Program. NATO. Intervention in Korea
3. Republican Measures Intensifying the Cold War
4. McCarthyism
5. The Democratic Forces' Fight Against Reaction and Militarism
Chapter VIII. THE PERIOD OF CONSERVATIVE "CONSENSUS" (1955-1960)
1. Socio-economic Developments
2. The Dominant Conservatism in the Bourgeois Parties' Ideology and Policies
3. Foreign Policy Under Eisenhower and Dulles
4. The Labor and Democratic Movement
5. The Democratic Victory in the 1960 Election
Chapter IX. THE STORMY SIXTIES
1. The Impact of the Scientific and Technological Revolution on the Development of American Capitalism
2. Socio-economic Policies of the Democrats
3. Foreign Policy Under Kennedy and Johnson
4. The Growing Danger from the Right
5. The Upsurge in the Labor and Democratic Movement
6. The New Stage in the Civil Rights Movement
7. The Democratic Defeat in the 1968 election
Chapter X. THE REPUBLICANS IN POWER (1969-1974)
1. The State of the Economy. The Socio-economic Policies of the Nixon Administration
2. The Party Struggle. The Political Crisis of 1973 and 1974
3. The Present-time Labor and Democratic Movement
4. Republican Foreign Policy. Soviet-American Relations
5. The United States Under the Administration of Gerald Ford
Chapter XI. SOVIET STUDIES OF THE RECENT HISTORY OF THE USA
Followed by appendices and bibliography. The book totals 501 pages. Also, from the dust jacket: "This book is written by two Moscow University professors who on several occasions visited the United States of America to study documentary sources in the US National Archive and in the libraries of the Columbia, Harvard, Wisconsin and other universities. In addition, the authors have made an extensive use of works by Soviet and foreign scholars." One of them, Eugene Yazkov, seems to have been pretty respected as a foreign historian of US history both before and after 1991, and edited a 1988 Soviet book in English on the origins and development of the two-party system in the USA.

Enver Zogha fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Jan 21, 2015

Enver Zogha
Nov 12, 2008

The modern revisionists and reactionaries call us Stalinists, thinking that they insult us and, in fact, that is what they have in mind. But, on the contrary, they glorify us with this epithet; it is an honor for us to be Stalinists.
Yay done: https://archive.org/details/HistoryOfTheUSASinceWorldWarI

Races of Mankind should come to me sometime in February or March.

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Enver Zogha
Nov 12, 2008

The modern revisionists and reactionaries call us Stalinists, thinking that they insult us and, in fact, that is what they have in mind. But, on the contrary, they glorify us with this epithet; it is an honor for us to be Stalinists.
In the interests of GLOBAL REVOLUTION this thread I have been informed that Races of Mankind is on its way to my house where I will welcome it like a Red Army soldier in WWII turned frigid by the harsh Winter air and asking to find warmth on my scanning bed.

Also I scanned Gorby's report to the 27th Congress of the CPSU from 1986 a few days back. Wasn't part of the list obviously and it's before he really went to town with Glasnost and Perestroika, but I figure someone will find it interesting somewhere.

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