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repeal obamacare unironically
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gggiiimmmppp posted:some really good doctors graduated from poo poo hole foreign universities, dont be so judgemental we can't afford those foreign doctors.
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Dec 6, 2014 19:55
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TOILETLORD posted:I always get sick of this argument because retards always blame the insurance companies, and hospitals, instead of the government policies that drive up prices. Or the government policies put in place to allow private institutions to gouge individuals, and making it near impossible to fight in court. I honestly can't tell if this guy is being super ironic or if he thinks the medical industry is trying to keep costs down but can't because the government is forcing them to rake in 1,000 billion dollars every year edit part of the reason I can't tell is that I think he's pretty loving stupid
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Dec 6, 2014 20:31
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Tujague posted:I honestly can't tell if this guy is being super ironic or if he thinks the medical industry is trying to keep costs down but can't because the government is forcing them to rake in 1,000 billion dollars every year its in the interest of business to keep profits low what about that doesnt make sense to you
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Dec 6, 2014 20:39
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TEAYCHES posted:its in the interest of business to keep profits low our government is corrupt, most politicians invest in the things they govern for the sole purpose of making laws to make themselves rich, it's in both business and government to make spending and profits as high as possible. It would only be half as bad if the government didn't touch things.
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Dec 6, 2014 20:43
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it would be better to get business out of it and have a government program that wasnt unbelievably corrupt. other countries manage to keep health costs way loving lower than ours and keep profits out of it. with better health outcomes. amazingg
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Dec 6, 2014 20:45
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See, that wasn't in any way funny or quippy at all and in fact sounded like 100% honest straight-faced batshit foam-dripping retarded raving
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Dec 6, 2014 20:45
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uninstall obamacare and install socialism
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Dec 6, 2014 20:46
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TEAYCHES posted:it would be better to get business out of it and have a government program that wasnt unbelievably corrupt. other countries manage to keep health costs way loving lower than ours and keep profits out of it how when our government would run it like the VA and still profit off of it and make even more people suffer?
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Dec 6, 2014 20:47
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Toiletlord what's your favorite real-word example of an industry that got deregulated and then went "THANK GOD!!" and slashed prices and profits? I bet it was media congolmerates after the 1,000th time the FCC cut down monopoly limits
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Dec 6, 2014 20:48
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Tujague posted:See, that wasn't in any way funny or quippy at all and in fact sounded like 100% honest straight-faced batshit foam-dripping retarded raving I know it's not like nancy pelosi and the entire house was caught last year, using the information they get from their positions to insider trade, then made it illegal when they got caught then made it legal again 3 months later.
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Dec 6, 2014 20:48
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the va is comically underfunded bro
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Tujague posted:Toiletlord what's your favorite real-word example of an industry that got deregulated and then went "THANK GOD!!" and slashed prices and profits? No good examples because every industry that got deregulated for probably the last 50 years, was done to make profits for politicians invested in the company, or friends of politicians so they would donate more money.
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Dec 6, 2014 20:50
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then your argument should be to overthrow the government and execute all the bums for crimes against the people, which is the same as mine
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Dec 6, 2014 20:51
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TEAYCHES posted:the va is comically underfunded bro did you miss all the people running it purposefully, cutting employee hours, and hours of operations so they could give them selves millions of tax payer dollars, along with increasing what forms of care they would deny to reduce cost.
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Dec 6, 2014 20:51
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Destroy private insurance companies and eliminate profit from standard medical care, just like Europe figured out like 50 years ago But that would be socialism  TOILETLORD posted:No good examples because every industry that got deregulated for probably the last 50 years, was done to make profits for politicians invested in the company, or friends of politicians so they would donate more money. It's almost like supply side economics doesn't benefit the majority of people when applied in the real world Zeno-25 fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Dec 6, 2014 |
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Dec 6, 2014 20:53
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You're not going to be able to understand this for many years if ever, little pudgy guy, but if there's some shadowy unified group of MYSTERIOUS BADGUYS who are all DOING A THING that keeps you from HAVING A POINT, and you can't really explicate it but it's TOTALLY OBVIOUS and every new piece of information JUST COMFIRMS IT, you've dug a rut in your little rat-brain and are functionally retarded. 'Kay?
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Dec 6, 2014 20:53
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Tujague posted:You're not going to be able to understand this for many years if ever, little pudgy guy, but if there's some shadowy unified group of MYSTERIOUS BADGUYS who are all DOING A THING that keeps you from HAVING A POINT, and you can't really explicate it but it's TOTALLY OBVIOUS and every new piece of information JUST COMFIRMS IT, you've dug a rut in your little rat-brain and are functionally retarded. 'Kay? i didn't know human nature was a conspiracy.
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Dec 6, 2014 20:54
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ok im not gonna dig up articles about the va, spending cuts by support-our-troops congressretards. your point is that america has a ridiculously more corrupt political system than other nations that effectively run government healthcare the problem is the corrupt political system. also you admitted that government deregulation doesnt decrease costs because itll be done in hilariously corrupt ways. so "getting government out of healthcare" wouldnt work either due to corruption
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TOILETLORD posted:i didn't know human nature was a conspiracy. weird how the rest of the industrialized world is immune to human nature and has better health outcomes for lower costs with government run healthcare
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Dec 6, 2014 20:55
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TOILETLORD posted:i didn't know human nature was a conspiracy. I didn't know obese hick schoolboys had any grounds to oink off about abstract, undefinable and unfalsifiable biotruths about the true meaning of human nature so that they could have piercing, devastating insight into socioeconomic problems. You're a fuuuuucking idiot.
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Dec 6, 2014 20:57
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TEAYCHES posted:ok im not gonna dig up articles about the va, spending cuts by support-our-troops congressretards. your point is that america has a ridiculously more corrupt political system than other nations that effectively run government healthcare very true i like arguing and haven't had a good argument for awhile. Essentially once our government gets invested in and industry the businesses in that industry and government become essentially the same entity, we need to make it so the government isn't capable of doing such a thing.
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Dec 6, 2014 20:57
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Zeno-25 posted:Destroy private insurance companies and eliminate profit from standard medical care, just like Europe figured out like 50 years again Even emerging market countries like Taiwan pretty much realized that UHC was a good idea and implemented the idea in just a few years. quote:Taiwan started its health reform in the 1980s after experiencing two decades of economic growth. In 1987, the government did away with the martial law which mobilized the governmental departments. The government set up a planning commission and looked abroad to study other countries’ health care systems. Taiwan looked at more than ten countries and combined their best qualities to form their own unique system. In 1995, Taiwan formed the National Health Insurance (NHI) model. For Taiwan they used many elements of medicare for their UHC. etalian fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Dec 6, 2014 |
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Dec 6, 2014 20:57
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TOILETLORD posted:very true i like arguing and haven't had a good argument for awhile. Essentially once our government gets invested in and industry the businesses in that industry and government become essentially the same entity, we need to make it so the government isn't capable of doing such a thing. why do you reflexively ignore the constant references to nations that have government capable of providing better healthcare to all its citizens for lower costs
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Dec 6, 2014 20:59
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TEAYCHES posted:weird how the rest of the industrialized world is immune to human nature and has better health outcomes for lower costs with government run healthcare you are forgetting that we are legally as a nation not allowed to negotiate the price of medications and medical devices, because of a law in medicare, which makes our populace have to pay at an individual level for the savings other nations get.
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Dec 6, 2014 20:59
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*Has piercing insight into human nature* *Sees NANCY PELOSI INSIDER TRADING, WHICH JUST PROVES IT* *Pounds down some Doritos* THE GOVERNMENT IS PREVENTING THE HEALTH INDUSTRY FROM NOT MAKING AS MUCH MONEY OFF US!!!!!
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Dec 6, 2014 20:59
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you see, im socially liberal, but im economically conservative. would you like to hear my common sense solutions about getting the government out of your lives
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Dec 6, 2014 21:00
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I keep one of these in the bathroom
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Dec 6, 2014 21:02
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what if it's actually good that american healthcare is so terrible?
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Dec 6, 2014 21:03
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The free market and the private sector are always more efficient than government
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Dec 6, 2014 21:03
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Swan Oat posted:what if it's actually good that american healthcare is so terrible? it would only be good if we didn't pay it for the poor.
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Dec 6, 2014 21:04
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TOILETLORD posted:very true i like arguing and haven't had a good argument for awhile. Essentially once our government gets invested in and industry the businesses in that industry and government become essentially the same entity, we need to make it so the government isn't capable of doing such a thing. This is the really hilarious part. The poor industry guys were just sitting around, trying to figure out how to externalize all costs and maximize all possible profits, when the DARN GOVERNMENT AND THE LIEBERALS rolled up and made them create the entire lobbying industry. DARN YOU, GOVERNMENT! QUIT HIRING AND CORRUPTING THOSE INNOCENT PETROCHEMICAL EXECS! THEY USED TO BE BEAUTIFUL! It's a magical cartoon world you are the hero of, huh?
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Dec 6, 2014 21:04
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TOILETLORD posted:you are forgetting that we are legally as a nation not allowed to negotiate the price of medications and medical devices, because of a law in medicare, which makes our populace have to pay at an individual level for the savings other nations get.  do you see how this deflects entirely the question of having a sane government healthcare system like the rest of the goddamn world. have i not made it clear that i dont think US law and regulation is effective or good. some laws are bad
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Dec 6, 2014 21:04
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Zeno-25 posted:The free market and the private sector are always more efficient than government i never trust those charts since we have a far larger population than most of those countries making the data sets non comparable.
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Dec 6, 2014 21:05
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TEAYCHES posted:
because if you can't trust the retards in charge to fix or remove such a bad law why would you trust them to do anything.
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Dec 6, 2014 21:06
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im retarded and dont understand comparative statistics
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Dec 6, 2014 21:06
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TOILETLORD posted:i never trust those charts since we have a far larger population than most of those countries making the data sets non comparable. The population of the eurozone exceeds the USA by 40 million. I guess the sample size is too small according to your reasoning.
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Dec 6, 2014 21:07
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TOILETLORD posted:because if you can't trust the retards in charge to fix or remove such a bad law why would you trust them to do anything. because its happened in other places b4. theres precedent for government healthcare being run effectively e.g. everywhere else on the planet earth, the place we call home
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Dec 6, 2014 21:07
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Uhh, if you jammed all the data points together to create one big one, it would be where all the other data points are and still equal about 300 million people, and it wouldn't be over where the USA one was. That's like saying "I REFUSE TO LOOK AT THIS INFORMATION COMPILED BY PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ARRANGED IN THE WAY I WANT." Jesus christ, I thought you were a loving dumbass mook before I posted in this thread, but you really are a galactically stupid piece of poo poo. No, guys, you don't get it. Human nature says that all politicians are corrupt, so your statistics are wrong. Having a larger population in your country somehow goes back and contradicts my original dipshit non-academically-rigorous thesis.
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TOILETLORD posted:i never trust those charts since we have a far larger population than most of those countries making the data sets non comparable. Yes I'm sure the World Bank, OECD, UN, etc are all wrong because they forgot to include just how special and exceptional America is in their statistical analyses. You should really let them know about that
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