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Harlock posted:Here are all my (17) Yes votes: That's my ballot except for Schilling. I cannot vote for a man who defrauded the great state of Rhode Island. Edit: I also voted for Sosa. BIG HALL! Rand alPaul fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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Rand alPaul posted:That's my ballot except for Schilling. I cannot vote for a man who defrauded the great state of Rhode Island. I've said it once, and I'll say it again, Kingdoms of Amalur was a good game  I think I had the same ballot as Harlock as well, but I may have missed a few guys. It's really easy to glance over some of the deserving great but not elite players when there's so drat many.
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Dec 8, 2014 15:11
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JosefStalinator posted:I've said it once, and I'll say it again, Kingdoms of Amalur was a good game Interestingly enough, it being a good game doesn't change the fact that he defrauded the state of Rhode Island, as well as loving over a ton of the people who worked on the game for him!
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Dec 8, 2014 15:26
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Is there some kind of weird injoke I don't get about Rich Aurillia because he is like an average player at best.
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Dec 8, 2014 15:26
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Dec 8, 2014 15:51
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I'm handing in an empty ballot
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Dec 8, 2014 16:00
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Did everyone miss that he voted for Delgado
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Dec 8, 2014 16:13
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I will not acknowledge either Hall of Fame until Pete rose is admitted in, such a travesty that he's not allowed in the hall, not even in his own house!
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Dec 8, 2014 16:28
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I went back and forth on Schilling if I should take him off for "character reasons" but ultimately I decided to go with keeping him in there because this is supposed to be based off of his merits as a pitcher. I felt gross doing it, though. The only person I'd keep off for character reasons would be Albert Belle.
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Dec 8, 2014 16:39
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I voted for: Jeff Bagwell Craig Biggio Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Randy Johnson Edgar Martinez Pedro Martinez Mark McGwire Mike Mussina Mike Piazza Curt Schilling Gary Sheffield John Smoltz Tim Raines Alan Trammell Larry Walker e: whoops, realized this initially said I voted for Mattingly because I forgot to delete his name. MourningView fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Dec 8, 2014 16:51
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seiferguy posted:The only person I'd keep off for character reasons would be Albert Belle. I'd say that sending a teammate on a stealth mission to sneak a corked bat out of the umpire's room is the type of lovable, "wily veteran" cheating that got Gaylord Perry into the Hall of Fame. It's not at all comparable to the unforgivable steroid cheating that Andy Pettitte did.
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Dec 8, 2014 17:05
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Bagwell Bonds Clemens Johnson Martinez McGwire Piazza Schilling Sheffield Smoltz Raines Walker and I would have voted for Mussina but like I said, somehow didn't see him.
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Dec 8, 2014 17:17
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Ice To Meet You posted:I'd say that sending a teammate on a stealth mission to sneak a corked bat out of the umpire's room is the type of lovable, "wily veteran" cheating that got Gaylord Perry into the Hall of Fame. It's not at all comparable to the unforgivable steroid cheating that Andy Pettitte did. He had a domestic abuse issue and was generally a dickhead, but that's also true of Barry Bonds and everyone here thinks it's hilarious to treat him as a saint so
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Dec 8, 2014 17:18
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I really believe Jeff Kent deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. He may have been nothing special at second, but he at least played the position and raked. Has some good postseason numbers too, and longevity.
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Dec 8, 2014 17:25
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Ice To Meet You posted:I'd say that sending a teammate on a stealth mission to sneak a corked bat out of the umpire's room is the type of lovable, "wily veteran" cheating that got Gaylord Perry into the Hall of Fame. It's not at all comparable to the unforgivable steroid cheating that Andy Pettitte did. He also intentionally hit a kid with his car, and also threw things at fans that were heckling them. If you're gonna throw stuff at fans, be like Griffey and throw your jock strap at least. edit: to build on what MV said, I can't vote for Bonds and ignore Schilling when Bonds had domestic violence issues.
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Dec 8, 2014 17:39
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seiferguy posted:edit: to build on what MV said, I can't vote for Bonds and ignore Schilling when Bonds had domestic violence issues. I think if a guy is borderline then you can use the good guy/bad guy as an argument to swing one way or the other, which is why it's easily justifiable to vote in Bonds and not Schilling. I generally do my best to ignore off the field stuff when deciding if I want to vote for a guy, though.
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Dec 8, 2014 17:44
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Short of a player rounding up Jewish children in the Warsaw Ghetto, I'm pretty open to ignoring their off-the-field issues. Curt Schilling is a tremendous loving prick, but he was a great pitcher for his first decade in the league, and a ridiculous one in his second. He, Randy Johnson, and Roger Clemens did a ridiculous job gaining control and command of their pitches as they got older, and should be no-doubter HoFers. Harlock's ballot is basically a mirror of mine.
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Dec 8, 2014 17:49
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drat it i closed my tab before i could copy/paste but i think this is what i did: Jeff Bagwell Craig Biggio Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Randy Johnson Pedro Martinez Mark McGwire Mike Mussina Mike Piazza Curt Schilling Gary Sheffield John Smoltz Sammy Sosa Tim Raines Larry Walker i kind of regret sosa but w/e
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Dec 8, 2014 18:10
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Sosa is a lot better than players that writers regularly vote for.
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Dec 8, 2014 18:19
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tadashi posted:Sosa is a lot better than players that writers regularly vote for. I guess, but he wasn't Hall of Fame level at anything except hitting homers at a time when homers were the easiest they have ever been to hit. He was good enough at that to have a decent case, but I don't have much problem with him being out. He'd have sailed in without the steroid thing but he's a pretty borderline candidate.
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Dec 8, 2014 18:25
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IcePhoenix posted:I think if a guy is borderline then you can use the good guy/bad guy as an argument to swing one way or the other, which is why it's easily justifiable to vote in Bonds and not Schilling. I generally do my best to ignore off the field stuff when deciding if I want to vote for a guy, though. I think Curt Schilling was one of the best pitchers though. He's 2nd in career K/BB, only to an Irish-American named Tommy Bond who was born prior to the Civil War.
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Dec 8, 2014 18:43
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It's interesting to compare Schilling to Maddux. Excepting for Maddux' far better health during his prime, they had remarkably similar profiles.
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Dec 8, 2014 18:55
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Rich Aurilia Jeff Bagwell Craig Biggio Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Randy Johnson Jeff Kent Edgar Martinez Pedro Martinez Mark McGwire Mike Mussina Mike Piazza Curt Schilling Gary Sheffield John Smoltz Tim Raines Alan Trammell Larry Walker
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Dec 8, 2014 19:05
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seiferguy posted:I think Curt Schilling was one of the best pitchers though. He's 2nd in career K/BB, only to an Irish-American named Tommy Bond who was born prior to the Civil War. A lot of people think he's borderline 
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Dec 8, 2014 19:09
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His personality may be, but his candidacy is not.
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Dec 8, 2014 19:12
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tatankatonk posted:Rich Aurilia
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Dec 8, 2014 19:29
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Pander posted:It's interesting to compare Schilling to Maddux. Excepting for Maddux' far better health during his prime, they had remarkably similar profiles. You have to keep in mind Maddux had over 300 starts more than Schilling. When you think of it that way, Madduz really blows Schilling away since it's really hard to maintain that sort of success that young and for that long. Some of their averages are surprisingly similar, though. MourningView posted:I guess, but he wasn't Hall of Fame level at anything except hitting homers at a time when homers were the easiest they have ever been to hit. He was good enough at that to have a decent case, but I don't have much problem with him being out. He'd have sailed in without the steroid thing but he's a pretty borderline candidate. He had an insane peak, with a 10 WAR season at age 32 to cap it off, but I certainly don't think he is a hall of fame player. He was really really good at hitting homers in his prime, though. Even in a homer heavy era, it wasn't like there were a whole lot of players like him. tadashi fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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tadashi posted:You have to keep in mind Maddux had over 300 starts more than Schilling. When you think of it that way, Madduz really blows Schilling away since it's really hard to maintain that sort of success that young and for that long. Some of their averages are surprisingly similar, though. That was exactly my point. Maddux had far better health, and averaged 200+ IP over like 15 years. The 1800 IP difference between the two is the largest difference. Otherwise they had remarkably similar rates.
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Dec 8, 2014 19:47
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I submitted: Jeff Bagwell Craig Biggio Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Randy Johnson Edgar Martinez Pedro Martinez Mike Mussina Mike Piazza Curt Schilling John Smoltz Tim Raines Larry Walker Thinking back on it, I should probably have put Sheffield & Kent on there. Oh well.
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Dec 8, 2014 19:57
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Everyone thinking about not voting Bonds because of PEDs, this is your reminder that for the first decade of his career he averaged a 30/30 season and an .300 average. So even if you throw out literally everything after, say, 1998, his candidacy is still as good as Larry Walker's.
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Dec 8, 2014 20:06
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Closed the tab before I made this but I think these were my votes. Jeff Bagwell Craig Biggio Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Darin Erstad Randy Johnson Pedro Martinez Mark McGwire Mike Mussina Mike Piazza Curt Schilling Gary Sheffield John Smoltz Tim Raines Larry Walker Darin Erstad is the greatest punter to ever play the game of baseball. He's basically Edgar Martinez like that, except he actually played defense (and was good at it).
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Dec 8, 2014 20:29
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Male. Bi. Unix. posted:Darin Erstad is the greatest punter to ever play the game of baseball. He's basically Edgar Martinez like that, except he actually played defense (and was good at it).
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Dec 8, 2014 20:35
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Is there any explanation for why Darin Erstad just stopped being good all of a sudden? Was it completely injury driven?
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Dec 8, 2014 20:38
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tadashi posted:Is there any explanation for why Darin Erstad just stopped being good all of a sudden? Was it completely injury driven? He stopped taking steroids
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Dec 8, 2014 20:40
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Pander posted:You do realize that a significant factor toward considering a player good, let alone worthy of the hall of fame, is based upon their ability to play offense by hitting the ball, right? Find me a single better hitting punter
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Dec 8, 2014 20:41
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Pander posted:You do realize that a significant factor toward considering a player good, let alone worthy of the hall of fame, is based upon their ability to play offense by hitting the ball, right? It's pretty simple. Darin Erstad is the greatest punter to ever play baseball, and Edgar Martinez is the greatest DH to ever play baseball. However, Erstad played both sides of the game, and Martinez stopped after a few years due to injury. Therefore, they're both equally great, but only one of them is a complete baseball player. Perfectly sensible.
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Male. Bi. Unix. posted:It's pretty simple. Darin Erstad is the greatest punter to ever play baseball, and Edgar Martinez is the greatest DH to ever play baseball. However, Erstad played both sides of the game, and Martinez stopped after a few years due to injury. Therefore, they're both equally great, but only one of them is a complete baseball player. Perfectly sensible. I see no proof of Erstad punting on a baseball diamond. Besides his 2007 season with the White Sox.
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tadashi posted:Is there any explanation for why Darin Erstad just stopped being good all of a sudden? Was it completely injury driven? I think it's more likely that his one good offensive season was probably a fluke and he was just naturally not a very good hitter. He was also a very bad field goal kicker.
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E: poo poo. Wrong thread.
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Tony Olivia is borderline and doesn't really belong in the hall, but Dick Allen not is a loving travesty.
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