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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:We would make more sense in the ACC sense we already hate everyone in that damned conference, but we'd rather go the SEC. Something about having been jilted for like half-a-century makes you not really care about them. Also burning couches and the mascot hunting in uniform are SEC as gently caress.
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Mizzou fits because Tigers
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Air Force to the Big XII sounds bizarre. I could never imagine a power conference even considering a service academy. Is there any precedent for that happening?
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Dec 8, 2014 17:06
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http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-12/baylor-bears.php If Baylor would just learn how to schedule OOC there wouldn't even be this issue anyway.
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Festive Transvestite posted:http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-12/baylor-bears.php What the gently caress is Incarnate Word?
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Festive Transvestite posted:http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-12/baylor-bears.php Not really a ton of options. People aren't gonna wanna schedule Baylor either.
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Omne posted:What the gently caress is Incarnate Word?
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pillsburysoldier posted:Not really a ton of options. People aren't gonna wanna schedule Baylor either. What about those early year neutral site games, don't those get scheduled on short notice?
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Lasagna Pilot posted:What about those early year neutral site games, don't those get scheduled on short notice? You're right, but those also get pushed a ton by conferences and networks as well. Baylor may get a network push as the snubbed team with something to prove but that's not sustainable to keep high profile scheduling going.
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heh quote:Big 12 commish Bob Bowlsby says if he was a selection member he would have voted for TCU for 4th spot, not Baylor.
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What on earth does he have to gain by saying that?
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Festive Transvestite posted:http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-12/baylor-bears.php Baylor was probably still a terrible program when those were scheduled. How else do you end up going to Buffalo as a power conference team?
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I still think the Big 12 probably just stands pat and waits for autobids for all power 5 conference champs when the playoff expands to 6 or 8 in a few years, but just for fun here's another plausible expansion scenario where they add one team to the east (Cincy) and one to the west. Big 12 West Baylor BYU/CSU/Boise Kansas Kansas State Texas Texas Tech Big 12 East Cincinnati Iowa State Oklahoma Oklahoma State TCU West Virginia Protected rivalries- OU-Texas, TCU-Baylor, TCU-Tech, Kansas-ISU Notes: -9 game conference schedule -Teams in the east will still get to play at least two Texas teams every year. -TCU needs to be in the east to accomplish this, but still gets Tech and Baylor every year (if continued exposure in Texas is a concern). -Kansas-ISU playing every year is just a side effect of the other protected games, but they aren't likely to object. General Dog fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Dec 8, 2014 20:44
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Frackie Robinson posted:What on earth does he have to gain by saying that? Art Briles has been bitching non-stop since they were left out. There's no love lost between Briles and Bowlsby.
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kayakyakr posted:Art Briles has been bitching non-stop since they were left out. There's no love lost between Briles and Bowlsby. Be that as it may, the commissioner taking potshots at a member team of his conference isn't a great look.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Air Force to the Big XII sounds bizarre. I could never imagine a power conference even considering a service academy. Is there any precedent for that happening? Air Force isn't a serious contender for joining the Big 12, I don't know why they are so popular over here. from the current AD back in 2011 posted:"We were approached by the Big 12, and I told them we're not a good fit for that conference. In the Big 12, geography makes sense, the economics make sense, but recruiting makes no sense for us. I can't recruit against Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State," Mueh said. Air Force would get pulverized playing a 8-9 game Big 12 schedule, they aren't joining.
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Action Saxxon posted:Air Force isn't a serious contender for joining the Big 12, I don't know why they are so popular over here. Wait, so did the Big 12 actually approach them or was the AD full of poo poo? Because if the Big 12 considered them an option in 2011 it seems reasonable they might still give them consideration now. They wouldn't be a great addition, but they'd probably be about as competitive long term as Boise or several other options that have been brought up.
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Frackie Robinson posted:Wait, so did the Big 12 actually approach them or was the AD full of poo poo? Because if the Big 12 considered them an option in 2011 it seems reasonable they might still give them consideration now. They wouldn't be a great addition, but they'd probably be about as competitive long term as Boise or several other options that have been brought up. Air Force didn't want in then, still doesn't want in now. Doesn't matter what the Big 12 wants.
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Deteriorata posted:Air Force didn't want in then, still doesn't want in now. Doesn't matter what the Big 12 wants. Well, Air Force is going to learn that much like its own cadets, the Big 12 doesn't take no for an answer.
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The Big XII already has enough religious schools. We don't need to add Air Force.
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go3 posted:Mizzou fits because Tigers Can we swap?
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Frackie Robinson posted:I still think the Big 12 probably just stands pat and waits for autobids for all power 5 conference champs when the playoff expands to 6 or 8 in a few years, but just for fun here's another plausible expansion scenario where they add one team to the east (Cincy) and one to the west. UCF in place of Cincy. BI NOW GAY LATER fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Deteriorata posted:Air Force didn't want in then, still doesn't want in now. Doesn't matter what the Big 12 wants. The money, and reality, would likely be different for them now; but I am sure the conference would approach them again.
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Frackie Robinson posted:Wait, so did the Big 12 actually approach them or was the AD full of poo poo? Because if the Big 12 considered them an option in 2011 it seems reasonable they might still give them consideration now. They wouldn't be a great addition, but they'd probably be about as competitive long term as Boise or several other options that have been brought up. I'm sure they approached a lot of schools to gauge their interest/argue their case. It doesn't mean that we offered them a spot.
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:I'm sure they approached a lot of schools to gauge their interest/argue their case. It doesn't mean that we offered them a spot. I think the biggest problem is putting together a slate that remotely works regionally and doesn't force us into ACC style stupid divisions. UCF and Cincy could solve that issue somewhat by just both being in the "East" division as long as everyone in the "East" was assured to have at least a game in Texas every year. That would be a gift to WVU and Kansas State.
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Frackie Robinson posted:I still think the Big 12 probably just stands pat and waits for autobids for all power 5 conference champs when the playoff expands to 6 or 8 in a few years, but just for fun here's another plausible expansion scenario where they add one team to the east (Cincy) and one to the west. Weak Division Baylor BYU/CSU/Boise Kansas Kansas State Iowa State Texas Tech Regular Divison Cincinnati Texas TCU Oklahoma Oklahoma State West Virginia The Weak Division winner will probably have avoided playing Texas and OU in the regular season and will give Texas/OU a chance to beat a top-15 opponent in the B12CG most years (Big Ten West method).
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I think the biggest problem is putting together a slate that remotely works regionally and doesn't force us into ACC style stupid divisions. UCF and Cincy could solve that issue somewhat by just both being in the "East" division as long as everyone in the "East" was assured to have at least a game in Texas every year. That would be a gift to WVU and Kansas State. With 4 Texas teams it should be pretty easy to guarantee a game there every year. I think if we expand Cincinnati and UCF are the top 2 teams. I still think we should take a shot at the ACC teams that we approached before and Notre Dame, though. Even with the large buyouts on the grant of rights I think it could make economic sense since those teams will most likely be bringing in a larger share than any AAC or other midmajor team could.
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:With 4 Texas teams it should be pretty easy to guarantee a game there every year. I think if we expand Cincinnati and UCF are the top 2 teams. I still think we should take a shot at the ACC teams that we approached before and Notre Dame, though. Even with the large buyouts on the grant of rights I think it could make economic sense since those teams will most likely be bringing in a larger share than any AAC or other midmajor team could. BYU is a long shot, but probably still better than any mid-major available. Again though, barring someone from the ACC unexpectedly defecting, the Big 12's best move is probably to wait and see how the playoff evolves over the next 6-8 years.
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:With 4 Texas teams it should be pretty easy to guarantee a game there every year. I think if we expand Cincinnati and UCF are the top 2 teams. I still think we should take a shot at the ACC teams that we approached before and Notre Dame, though. Even with the large buyouts on the grant of rights I think it could make economic sense since those teams will most likely be bringing in a larger share than any AAC or other midmajor team could. Yeah. I mean, I don't think we'd really /want/ Cincy for a variety of reasons but they're probably the best option that doesn't cause a bunch of other issues. Gravy would be Clempson, FSU or Notre Dame.
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Frackie Robinson posted:BYU is a long shot, but probably still better than any mid-major available. Again though, barring someone from the ACC unexpectedly defecting, the Big 12's best move is probably to wait and see how the playoff evolves over the next 6-8 years. Oh, BYU would sign up in a heart beat if they were offered. The question is whether the conference would want to deal with that or not.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Baylor was probably still a terrible program when those were scheduled. How else do you end up going to Buffalo as a power conference team? Yeah, for Buffalo especially and most of those that's true. The only legitimate gripe is Incarnate Word which was scheduled last year, but they made up for it by scheduling then-ranked Duke for a home and home this year (2017 I think). There's not many places that want to schedule Baylor now, and rumor mill is Tennessee is open on short notice but they don't want Baylor for obvious reasons (stated reasons are: "We already have Oklahoma"). Baylor doesn't share blame for their record at all until the next 3-5 years or so, but they've already rectified that. Frackie Robinson posted:What on earth does he have to gain by saying that? It just proves his dumb ulterior motive. Not only was he playing the system and trying to maybe squeeze two big 12 teams in, he clearly favored TCU and refused to name Baylor tie-breaker champions to the committee because of that. You can tell because over the summer he knew the spirit of the Big 12 law was to use the tiebreaker to send up a champion to the postseason, but then just last week he took out his dictionary and thesaurus and combed every inch of the bylaws and found it just said "postseason bowl" and used that dumb nerdy technically correct reason to refuse to name Baylor the champions to the committee. He deserves to be fired he sucks. kayakyakr posted:Art Briles has been bitching non-stop since they were left out. There's no love lost between Briles and Bowlsby. Good. Works for Stoops, I'm glad he's doing it. Seems to work okay for Patterson too since he complains after every game, whereas Briles just complains after an entire season finishes and he has to to convince a dumb committee that the Big 12 is good.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I think the biggest problem is putting together a slate that remotely works regionally and doesn't force us into ACC style stupid divisions. UCF and Cincy could solve that issue somewhat by just both being in the "East" division as long as everyone in the "East" was assured to have at least a game in Texas every year. That would be a gift to WVU and Kansas State. You can still create fairly logical east and west divisions adding a western team and an eastern team (if there's a viable candidate). For the example I posted above: 
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Frackie Robinson posted:You can still create fairly logical east and west divisions adding a western team and an eastern team (if there's a viable candidate). For the example I posted above: I think they'd put the Kansas twins in the East instead of the Okies. I also don't particularly think any of the out west schools do anything for us. BI NOW GAY LATER fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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anne frank fanfic posted:Scheduling poo poo I'm a little torn on the scheduling issue. On the one hand I don't think it's as easy for Baylor to pick up a good non-con game (especially in the next 3 years or so) as some folks imply, just because it's easy to see how top teams might not see Baylor as a good enough name to risk losing to and how mid-or-low tier power-5 teams don't want to take on a team that will probably beat them and make the road to a bowl or a respectable program-building win count that much harder. On the other hand, come the gently caress on, Incarnate Word only got on the schedule this year, and the poo poo I said above can't apply to everybody, can it?
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I think they'd put the Kansas twins in the East instead of the Okies Maybe, but it sure would balance things a lot more if they kept OU/OSU separate from most of the Texas teams. As long as OU-Texas is protected I don't think you're splitting anybody who's going to insist on playing every year.
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Frackie Robinson posted:Maybe, but it sure would balance things a lot more if they kept OU/OSU separate from most of the Texas teams. As long as OU-Texas is protected I don't think you're splitting anybody who's going to insist on playing every year. They were in the same division in the old conference, no reason for them not to be now. I would also assume we'd play the poo poo show of 9-3 KSU/WVU in JurrahWorld
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:They were in the same division in the old conference, no reason for them not to be now. Oh, now I get it.
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Spiritus Nox posted:I'm a little torn on the scheduling issue. On the one hand I don't think it's as easy for Baylor to pick up a good non-con game (especially in the next 3 years or so) as some folks imply, just because it's easy to see how top teams might not see Baylor as a good enough name to risk losing to and how mid-or-low tier power-5 teams don't want to take on a team that will probably beat them and make the road to a bowl or a respectable program-building win count that much harder. I think all of the nonconference schedules are pretty much the same. There's a few standouts like when Michigan State plays Oregon or something like that, but there's almost no difference between the major teams. Alabama had a CCG which got them to one more power 5 team than Big 12 teams did, but all the other SEC teams just had equal numbers of P5 teams. The SEC in particular does funny scheduling tricks like hiding their cupcake bye week right before champ week. There's really no difference. In Baylor's case, SMU is a historical rivalry up with TCU so that's why both teams schedule them pretty regularly, it just sucks that they suck right now. I don't think anyone believes if Baylor lost at home to a lovely team early in the season that they could've made the playoff like Ohio State did, so I don't mind their scheduling so far especially since they're adding the required weak P5 team that everyone thinks you need to schedule to be legit (Duke). I don't think scheduling was what did it, it was a combination of factors like Ohio State tricking people in the last game of the season and the lack of upsets that usually happen in CCGs.
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Spiritus Nox posted:I'm a little torn on the scheduling issue. On the one hand I don't think it's as easy for Baylor to pick up a good non-con game (especially in the next 3 years or so) as some folks imply, just because it's easy to see how top teams might not see Baylor as a good enough name to risk losing to and how mid-or-low tier power-5 teams don't want to take on a team that will probably beat them and make the road to a bowl or a respectable program-building win count that much harder. Seems like they could at least line up three FBS opponents. I bet they could rope Idaho into a 3 for 1 tomorrow.
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