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...to go to the university and get educated. Also tuition is free. This is cool to me, except I have to teach these kids and even though it's a literal thing they are being paid to do, some of these duders still act like a free university education is something they're entitled to for free (which I guess they are) and so they get super anxious and pissy when they find out they're supposed to do actual work, like they're literally being paid to do. Most of them are okay though. Also we pay our PhD students the highest salary in the world, after Norway. But Norway is super rich from oil, so they can afford it. I think fundamentally that the socialist model for healthcare and education is great and it gives people the chance to lead good lives even when the social odds are stacked against them from birth. People are paid good money to incite them to get higher educations, and to allow them to focus on their studies and excel, because we are a small country and we need an educated population to survive in the global market. On the other hand, you do end up with a lot of entitled people, with a sometimes skewed perspective on what's "fair", seeing as they have everything handed to them from birth and it requires a real and focused effort to actually screw up your life to any significant extent. I guess what I am trying to say is, I am glad mine is a small enough country to run on this model and I totally wish America could do the same, but America is huge and lol @ the prospect of putting, what, 500 million dudes and dudettes through college for free while paying them a thousand dollars each. On the other hand, you can all have guns, which I can't. I can't own a gun. Hell, I can't even carry a knife in a bag on the street, because if I get in a traffic accident and the knife falls out, there's this anti-gang-violence initiative that gets you thrown in jail for a week if you carry a knife outside your own home. Once, when I was in Texas, I shot a sack of sand with a compound bow. I was barely strong enough to draw the string, which was embarrasing, and got me laughed at, and I didn't know whether they laughed because I was a weak european or a weak academic, so it was probably both.
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So your government pays for a big chunk of people to hang out getting paid to eventually wash out and work retail? Or does everyone just get a biology degree or something and then take whatever job is available such as barista? Who does all of the minimum wage stuff, immigrants?
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some percentage of the population will have unpleasant personalities no matter how society is organized
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Ramsus posted:So your government pays for a big chunk of people to hang out getting paid to eventually wash out and work retail? Or does everyone just get a biology degree or something and then take whatever job is available such as barista? Who does all of the minimum wage stuff, immigrants? Our minimum wage is pretty high and people make a decent living off of it. A lot of people do end up working in fields not generally related to their field of study. We have a p. big public sector and a lot of tape to push around, so there's a lot of "academic staff" positions all over the place for people who know how to type up reports and perform powerpoint presentations in front of eachother. e: it's basically like that movie "Brazil" by Gilliam, except everyone is mostly happy about it.
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So they are paid to get degrees that they don't use. Seems worth it for the inflated education stats.
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What country do you live in? At first I thought Cuba but then I read European
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where do u live op?
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Ramsus posted:So they are paid to get degrees that they don't use. Seems worth it for the inflated education stats. P. much dude. It's getting dumb. They want 80% of the next generation to have a "longer education" or something completely out there, and there's going to be nobody left to do the actual work, lol.
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Don't worry they'll have a brain drain and run out of money once countries start offering people real jobs
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I'm sure there is a lot of money in it. Also by educating more people in stuff they don't need to learn they can hire more people to teach them. A vicious cycle of education.
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Enjoy it while it lasts (not much longer).Robo Reagan posted:Don't worry they'll have a brain drain and run out of money once countries start offering people real jobs Not really, if 80% of the population have higher education my guess is that a high number of those are in "Higher education but not really" fields like communication and leisure studies that aren't really welcomed abroad (or anywhere really). NihilismNow fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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i support learning for learning's sake. like the ancient times of old gay greece. as long as they learn something STEM related and not bullshit like "gender studies" or whatever
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LordArgh posted:i support learning for learning's sake. like the ancient times of old gay greece. as long as they learn something STEM related and not bullshit like "gender studies" or whatever Gender studies is an extra curricular at best, to be done back at the dorms 
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Back when I started, they had a "career" day and one of the speakers who showed up and talked about his MA said he was unemployed but he wanted to be a postman because driving around in a van all day would give him a lot of time to think about literature, or something.
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Minimalist Program posted:Back when I started, they had a "career" day and one of the speakers who showed up and talked about his MA said he was unemployed but he wanted to be a postman because driving around in a van all day would give him a lot of time to think about literature, or something. why would you invite someone who is unemployed to speak at a career day? that makes like negative sense.
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Minimalist Program posted:Back when I started, they had a "career" day and one of the speakers who showed up and talked about his MA said he was unemployed but he wanted to be a postman because driving around in a van all day would give him a lot of time to think about literature, or something. That dude legit has life figured out. Find a job that pays the bills but takes minimal mental effort to allow you to think about poo poo that matters.
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So he could appear to be employed. I think I'd rather continue to fund bombs then this poo poo.
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which gulf state do you live in op
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Bro Dad posted:which gulf state do you live in op op lives in florida. obviously.
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In my country, you have to pay some dude 1000 dollars for a kid.
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serious norman posted:In my country, you have to pay some dude 1000 dollars for a kid. Ah Cambodia.. At least the weather is nice.
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 I too live in Denmark. gently caress Norway and Sweden
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Many minimum wage jobs are occupied by students or kids under 18 who we pay less.
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Once, when I was 17, my entire class went to the Czech republic for a week to visit our "friendship" school there. It was a good time, and although the Czechs didn't speak English very well, they were mostly really nice. Our boys played their boys in floor hockey and won, and our girls got owned bigtime by their girls, so it evened out. Their entire school smelled faintly of cinnamon and wet paint and all the walls were painted this weird, minty shade of green that made me uneasy. Well, one night, we all went to this bar to have a beer, and we divided into groups of four of us, four of them in each. My group got paired with 4 really chill girls, who insisted on buying us these crazy big mugs of beer. We asked how much they cost, and it was a crazy low amount, like you wouldn't even be able to buy a stick of gum for that amount back home. So the four of us started laughing and telling these girls how lucky they were to be able to buy beer this good for this cheap and how if we could buy stuff this cheap at home we'd be so drunk all the time etc. etc, and they all got very silent and awkward and one of them told us that to them, it was quite a lot of money and they'd basically just spent half of their entire monthly allowances on buying us those beers... I still feel very bad about that, to this day, and I hope those girls have good lives now, because they were very nice.
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I guess what I am trying to say with this thread is that while socialist democracy can be good for individual welfare, it can also end up turning all the individuals into spoiled little loving assholes, like me.
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Minimalist Program posted:I guess what I am trying to say with this thread is that while socialist democracy can be good for individual welfare, it can also end up turning all the individuals into spoiled little loving assholes, like me. Basically cushy socialist european welfare paradises serve as fattening grounds, to make you all the more delectable when we the third world opressed so that you can have your paradises, inevitably turn on you and eat you.
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Minimalist Program posted:Once, when I was 17, my entire class went to the Czech republic for a week to visit our "friendship" school there. It was a good time, and although the Czechs didn't speak English very well, they were mostly really nice. Our boys played their boys in floor hockey and won, and our girls got owned bigtime by their girls, so it evened out. Their entire school smelled faintly of cinnamon and wet paint and all the walls were painted this weird, minty shade of green that made me uneasy. Minimalist Program posted:I guess what I am trying to say with this thread is that while socialist democracy can be good for individual welfare, it can also end up turning all the individuals into spoiled little loving assholes, like me. you are Belgian and i claim my five pounds
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I know how to impersonate a Belgian thanks to watching all of that Agatha Christie's Poirot TV series. The little gray cells, yes, and then you turn your back on me and I eat your plump socialist-enriched flesh. I'm like a cheap knockoff Terminator that will lose 40% of its value by next year because it's made of the local currency.
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As an American PhD student -- ughhhh I need more money.
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Kudaros posted:As an American PhD student -- ughhhh I need more money.
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Minimalist Program posted:some of these duders still act like a free university education is something they're entitled to for free (which I guess they are) in that case they are
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Jerry Steinfeld posted:are you in a country where like 60% or more of your checks go to the gubment Haha, it's p. close.
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Oberleutnant posted:That dude legit has life figured out. this is what I basically decided to do with my life. it's really relaxing and much better than what I was headed for. I'd recommend people not try to do big things but just do small things they are content with because trying to do the big things is a stressful hassle and also usually entails a bunch of middle management bullshit that helps sell things people don't need
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Kudaros posted:As an American PhD student -- ughhhh I need more money. Lol at getting a phd
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I never really understand how anyone could be against anything socialist. People living in a society should support each other, share the burden, because there is, unargueably, a net benefit to everyone, even the privilaged, when the burden is spread out. Such as this point Ramsus posted:So they are paid to get degrees that they don't use. Seems worth it for the inflated education stats. I'm Canadian, and I am currently in debt with a degree and unemployed. Its just a B.Sc but I know a guy with a masters degree, who couldn't get work so he became a plumber and got layed off from that. And talking to a university professor, pretty much any job, outside of some retail, wants you to have a degree, even if less then 20 years ago having a high school degree would have been more then enough. So why should someone be in crippling debt on top of struggling to find work? Them not having a degree isn't going to help them out any either. Minimalist Program posted:I guess what I am trying to say with this thread is that while socialist democracy can be good for individual welfare, it can also end up turning all the individuals into spoiled little loving assholes, like me. Still a net benefit. There is literally no down side to having a overall better educated population as opposed to an under educated one. Any cost associated with it would be expotentially less to the benefits it would provide. For fucks sake look at the american system, almost half of the population can't even understand something like evolution.
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Shnag posted:I never really understand how anyone could be against anything socialist. People living in a society should support each other, share the burden, because there is, unargueably, a net benefit to everyone, even the privilaged, when the burden is spread out. Shnag posted:Still a net benefit. There is literally no down side to having a overall better educated population as opposed to an under educated one. Spanish Manlove posted:Lol at getting a phd
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OP wherever you live your country is bullshit and you should start emulating America by being stupid and working harder than you really ought to and never taking a vacation ever and literally murdering any other country that won't sell their poo poo to you for cheap then go bankrupt from medical bills. Seriously, get your poo poo together.
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Jerry Steinfeld posted:are you in a country where like 60% or more of your checks go to the gubment no but you would be amazed at how many people here don't understand how marginal tax rates work, even those who earn enough to pay them Minimalist Program posted:I can't own a gun. not true Minimalist Program posted:Our minimum wage is pretty high denmark has no minimum wage SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Minimalist Program posted:...to go to the university and get educated. Also tuition is free. This is cool to me, except I have to teach these kids and even though it's a literal thing they are being paid to do, some of these duders still act like a free university education is something they're entitled to for free (which I guess they are) and so they get super anxious and pissy when they find out they're supposed to do actual work, like they're literally being paid to do. Most of them are okay though. Also we pay our PhD students the highest salary in the world, after Norway. But Norway is super rich from oil, so they can afford it. these people are hosed and honestly they should be shipped here to america and i should be allowed to fill in for them hth
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