quote:

Jonathan was asked not to come back, due to allegations of organizing illegal activities from within Noisebridge and theft. A few days later, he had a proxy return to the space a few days later on his behalf to retrieve blankets, etc. that he'd apparently stashed in the darkroom. However, what his proxy took was apparently not the blankets that he wanted, and he shortly thereafter came upstairs and went into the darkroom, himself leaving with items that appeared to be bedsheets. The fabric his associate had taken was found in a heap at the bottom of the elevator and returned to the darkroom. Several days later, Jonathan returned to Noisebridge with his hand shoved in a gym bag, claiming he had a gun. He continued pushing past people to get into the main space, screaming constantly about killing everyone and then himself, and that everyone was to leave, or he would kill them all. He also claimed that the cops were hot on his trail and would arrive at Noisebridge at any moment, and that he intended to provoke a suicide-by-cop. Not sure on whether or not he did have a gun, people were not taking a chance as they filed for the exit. However, Derek, Jedi, Rayc, Ben, stayed behind, calling him on his bullshit. Four people swarmed him as he made a b-line sprint for the fire escape. They wrestled him to the floor and removed his bags away from him. Jedi arm barred and escorted Jonathan down the stairs to the sidewalk, bringing him over to the quickly-amassing phalanx of squad cars. Immediate consensus was that he is not welcome in the space again.

quote:

Hi to all!
Someone is trying to use my identity pretending to be me, at least here on the discuss list. The only account which I use for Noisebridge discuss and quite all other hacker&food hacking activities is algoldor at yahoo.com and it is going to stay like that at least for a while.

So it looks like that someone created frantisekapfelbeck at gmail.com account and now is posting as me here on the discuss. I think that "the same name possibility" of the owner of the account is close to the zero, and if so it would be likely that the person would notice that there can be confusion not mentioning the low probability of food hacker involved with Noisebridge of the same name.

Now I would like to ask what should I do now? I do not like other people pretending to be me and I want to stop it, they should use their name/identity to do what ever they are after whatever their reasons/motivations are

How can I stop them/what shall I do now?

Shall I contact Google and talk to them explaining the situation? Does someone has some contacts there to help me with that? Can they close the frantisekapfelbeck account based on the unproper type of activities which it is used for?

How to stop this person to missuse my identity at Noisebridge discuss list? Can someone help me with that? My discuss email is algoldor at yahoo.com and that is it, no other ecount, no changes it was not hacked so far as I know (quite suprise there I have to say :-))

How to identify person behing this and expose him/her to the public so people are aware who is doing this? Asking that person to come out by him/herself is probably not going to work, I do understand that there maybe more profoung reasons for this behaviour which can be kind of "out of the control of the given person" so I do not want to be too harsh but still I want this to stop. If I see that it is more complicated I would not expose the identity of that person.

For the future issues of this type. Is there some kind of clear identification of the person's identity? Especially based on open source models, community etc? I can think about our common history online and in the group and of course kind of security questions arrising from my past activities within the group with some people in person which are just one to one experiences and combining these. Some other options?

Well that would be all for now, if you can help me with this as community I would appreciate it I am in a really interesting environment now and I would like to concentrate on my work here, it has great potential! I am switching from daily digest to sort this issue out more quickly.

Sincerely from Hackerspace Seoul,
Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
PS I have enabled 2-step verification for my Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck account (algoldor at gmail.com) and changed the password just to be sure.

biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker

http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org

quote:

Hi to all:

Much to my sadness someone in California appears to have stolen my e-mail
address algoldor at yahoo.com and has been attempting to log into accounts
that belong to me. I was logging into a server and saw that an address that
is not mine has shown up. My linux server is safe but of course a whole
bunch of my accounts could be stolen with this e-mail address. Whoever in
Noisebridge knows what is going on should speak to me as I am rather upset.
I cannot do much from here in Korea.

Does anyone have any thoughts?

--
Sincerely,

Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck

biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker

http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org

quote:

Even if that person is clearly pretending to be me? For example now there would be two persons at Noisebridge discuss claiming to be me, there are already several posts which are in my name and which I did not write at all.

I certainly would like to sort this abuse of my identity here at the discuss so it stops. Based on what you say it is quite unlikely that I will be able to do anything at the "Google level" right?

I do not mind someone else having the same name, well happens fine with me. But acting like he/she is me? Well that is not alright.

Thanks Glen enjoy SF,
Sincerely,

Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker

http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org

"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Ghandi

quote:

Hello,

My name is Laura and i recently graduated from the UC Davis Veterinary
program. I came to Noisebridge around the Maker Faire weekend and was
overjoyed that such a place like this exists. Besides working with animals,
one of my other favorite things to do is work with soldering irons. I just
got my first Arduino last week!

One of the things I would like to do is hold a "pet hacking" night at your
place. I think that it would be fun because we could do all sorts of fun
things.

Some of my ideas include how to hook up LEDs to your dog or cat's collar
(including flea collars), how to make your computer workstation more "pet
friendly", and how to remove hair from your animals to ease home or office
cleaning using waxing and depilatories. In addition, I can also teach you
guys how to feed human food and medicine to animals to cut on costs.

Let me know what you guys think because I think it would be a fun night for
all.

Laura

quote:

This sounds like an awesome idea! And partially like a troll post, but
I'll roll with it just in case it isn't.

Could you please not bring cats into the space or do anything that
would dump a bunch cat dander into the space. There are many of us
that are horribly (violently) allergic. Thanks!

- --
Rubin
rubin at starset.net

quote:

Hi Rubin,

This is as serious as it can be. I am not terribly familar with the whole
troll concept though. I am new to mailing lists.

Laura

uncurable mlady posted:

despite all my rage I am still just a hash in a cage

quote:

Garrett,

I heard you were climbing up the wall outside the building to get into
noisebridge. This is unexcellent. Please do not do it again.

I will provide you with your own door code (like many people have) so you
can get in by typing your code into the payphone. Please email me with a
number at least seven digits, and i will put that in as your code.

If you want to climb, there is a gym on 17th street a mile east which has
very high walls and climbing safety equipment. You can also go out into
nature to climb.

You can also feel free to climb any building you want as far as i'm
concerned, EXCEPT for 2169 mission where noisebridge is. I am
specifically asking you not to climb that building and i'm sure all of the
noisebridge membership will agree with me that it is prohibited.

If you are opposed to using a code to get into noisebridge you can ask
someone for a physical key, which will work even if the computers are
down. But no more climbing the building.

Thank you,
-jake

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

read the thread, afreak, thats alreadty been posted

quote:

Will,
I have an understanding with Miloh that I would not be there tonight. i
pointed out that that was rather short notice under the circumstances. So I
would appreciate it if this was placed on the agenda for next weeks Tuesday
night meeting.

I make exception to the statements that I was loud. Most people didn't even
look up from what they were doing, a couple came over to ask what was going
on though. I believe the behavior of the three men who met me and refused
to clarify what behavior they were taking exception to was not excellent.
Jessie said something about some email conversation I had with him, perhaps
a long time ago? and refused to provide me with hard copies so i could be
clear what conversation he was talking about and he did not state what his
email address is. Basically, the concept of calling the police for what is
basically a dislike of another person (that most people would overlook and
go on with their life) is a really bad portend for Noisebridge. If I had
had that attitude while in medical practice, the police would have been
called every week.

The unexcellent behavior was on the part of the three men. My email address
is known through the discuss list and why was this not addressed in an
email so I didn't walk 45 minutes from downtown to be confronted with this
unexcellent behavior. Perhaps Noisebridge needs to be an association
instead of nonprofit community space? so it can be limited to "hackers".

I locked my self in the bathroom for obvious reasons related to what
bathrooms are used for.

for those who do not know me, I have been coming to Noisebridge for about a
year. i have regularly cleaned the kitchens and floors (but I cleared out
when the woman known as "Wish" decided to be there because I do not relish
confrontations). I also helped out at events, spending up to 20 hours one
weekend alone, sort and take out trash, clean bathrooms, use public access
computers from time to time (and give them up when asked) helped out with
Tastebridge and Vegan Hacker (although these three men dispute the value of
these events/groups). I do not steal and I am not loud. I have asked for
mediation regarding one person who was trying to be objectionable and he
has declined to do so (not me). I am a retired family physician with a
history of legal actions in Texas against government and corporations.

--
Cynthia Jeanne Lee MD
http://cynthiajeanneleemd.wordpress.com

quote:

Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Spam on wiki help
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 12:00:08 -0800
From: Rubin Abdi <rubin@starset.net>
To: noisebridge-discuss <noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net>, Danny O'Brien <danny@spesh.com>

https://noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500

Kinda horrible. I just blocked ‎ErbalAgreement (and inadvertently
deleted their contribs list on their user page).

Currently I'm slammed at work. Does anyone out there have some time and
want to clean this up?

Danny: Do you still have your anti-spam-bot?

--
Rubin
rubin@starset.net

quote:

Hi to all,

Just few notes on the kitchen, I have run and helped to equip many around the world and on variety of hacker events especially in last few years under the Food Hacking Base project which the Tastebridge was a first step I would say. It is interesting to see so many hackerspaces going forward on biotech, food hacking and brewing with Noisebridge being one of the forerunners with amazing set up around 2010 and 2011 and now well ...


stove - crucial. If you do not have a stove you can not cook most of the meals and brewing is an issue for many types of beverages, also you will have really problem to sterilize - pressure cooker works fine if you have one. Kitchen without stove is close to not being a kitchen, biotech applications need sterilization most of the time and heat treatment of ingredients is often crucial (and microwave is not a cure for everything).


fridge - very important. To keep you perishable food ingredients, cultures and of course nice cold drinks it is more or less necessity, at least for reasonable food and beverage hacking. Kitchen without fridge is doable but quite an issue.


preparation place - working bench if you like, crucial. Having some space to work on is crucial especially if you want to work fast and safe. Do not underestimate the height of the bench it hits your back if is too low or too high. This one is really important on hands on workshops.

sinks - crucial. For keeping the place clean and the work flow continuous sinks and preferably running water are really a key. If you do not have it, you are in trouble. Dishwasher works too, but well sink is sink.

storage - for dry ingredients especially. If you want to play around you need your ingredients and they need to stored properly. Stainless steel or glass well sealed work very well, plastic is a good cheap alternative. Insect and rats may be an issue if they get out of hand which was a case in the building many times so this one has to be kept in mind.

The answer to how to keep the kitchen clean is both simple and complicated. The way which works for me and projects in which I'm involved is to get together people who enjoy playing with food, hacking, brewing, biotech and consuming&enjoying the products of their efforts and let them to organize the spot, sometimes poke them a bit if the things go out of hand. Better environment you have from the point of view of equipment/infrastructure and funds, more likely you are to form a nice and vibrant community around it and enjoy their achievements. Note as most of the things in community the social interactions are really important and preparing and sharing the meals and drinks brings together people really well.

Best of luck with your kitchen plans, try to keep it nice and functional, it will pay off eventually. However even if you decide to destroy it, which I do not consider wise because it will not touch a core of the current problem, when the time comes, it will be build again, it will just require bit more dedicated people than if it is already standing and ready to be used.

Sincerely from Kasiri, Jeju,


Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck

PS Just a note, yes the Noisebridge community has a major social issues and to start to resolve them lots of time and energy from people who are socially developed and sensitive will be needed, the question for you now is how to get them involved and enjoy their work and being productive. 091 labs in Galway, Ireland are running for a brewing classes for a while and it is generating lots of positive interest. Add some tech related project like the experimental incubator build up and you can start to move the things forward in a sound way - friendly, social and organized.


biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker


http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org


"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

A Yolo Wizard posted:

is this the same weev http://www.wired.com/2014/10/trolls-will-always-win/

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

i am not good with math but this seems to suggest noisebridge will be broke in 5 months

quote:

Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] 86 page full name editing
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 20:54:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Jake <jake@spaz.org>
To: noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net <noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net>

A while ago we at Sudoroom decided to ban "Rus" for stealing.

He asked us not to and pled his innocence, but we did so anyway.

Shortly afterward, he did something bad at Noisebridge (which you can read
about on the 86 page if you like) and he was officially banned from
Noisebridge and thus double-banned from Sudoroom, whatever.

Anyway, he asked me in IRC to please remove his full name from the wiki:

"I'd really appreciate it if my first and last name were removed from the
page. Rus alias "aero" would suffice, I think. I just don't want my
potential employers stumbling onto the 86 page and seeing that I was
hosed up at the hackerspace."

I did so and I didn't think it was a problem. Then on 2015-1-29:
Scotty:
Undo revision 46439 by Jake (talk) Adding Back Rus's full name. It's
important for NB and other hackerspaces who we share ban info with to
have full, unique identifiers on people we've banned.

personally, I don't think it's necessary to have his full name on the wiki
and it could interfere with his employment. It's not like he injured
anyone. Anyway at least the group should decide.

I should point out that my editing rights to the 86 page were removed, i
don't suppose there was much discussion about that either.

-jake

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2015-February/046044.html

quote:

Does anyone have advice/experience with the leadership abusing their
powers, doing unconstitutional/unethical things? (specifically: bullying
members with mental 'abnormalities').

What happened? Did anyone try to stop it? Has anyone ever called an EGM
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_general_meeting) about it?

I'm attempting to do this at London Hackspace.


Grievance Procedure Update - Peter Meadows banned for one year:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/Io8vDQvaT84

Notification of a second formal warning for Peter Meadows:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/7WE1zuRWKbk

Fwd: Re: Your first formal warning:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/bDlpFC6Lg2o

Fwd: Re: Your behaviour in IRC:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/uNFjdFI7tmY


Thread about my food getting chucked in the bin:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/E4Gom_ave4c

(I suspect this was done by a 'trustee' as revenge for me suggesting
'doorbot' should
not be blaring out loud music into the space every 5 minutes. (although
nobody has owned up to doing it, (despite other members insisting that
it was not a mistake, and it was done with the best interests of the
space at heart)):


Thread in which I'm accused of 'de-humanising' the cleaner by calling it
'it':
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/gFJpT3zPj3c



I think they invented the stuff about IRL harassment because they would
look silly banning me just for supposed 'trolling'. (I was NOT 'trolling').

There is CCTV in the space, so we can determine very easily if I was
'following' people around. They refuse to give any details about what
the CCTV shows.
They refuse to give any details about the nature of the real life
harassment. I can provide many witnesses that spent time with me day to
day in the space, and that will testify that I have not harassed anyone.

David Potocnik writes:

" Anyway, I've been linked to this discussion and I can't see a very
descriptive account of what actually happened. "Harassment" can be a
number of things and it is also perceived/felt (right?), so I suggest
being more expressive."

And:

" This is the second example of somebody being banned for other people
finding them "annoying". With anonymity, the trustees become an
arbiter of good taste (TM) at their own discretion, possibly backed up
by howling wolves. Fine. I'm sure the Trustees are aware of the
problems in both historic examples of various annoyances to
"civility", and on the other side a modern trend in false harassment
accusations. (Even if this is not the case here).

This was actually apparent in the linked "it" email oncleaning. Peter
was accused of "dehumanizing" (morally bad!) acleaner. But when I
read into it, what I saw was him/it playing an (annoying) semantic
game: idea of doing away with normal conception of "human person". As
I read it, this is only "insulting" if you read it through your own
moral lens, the proper one. He/it wasn't being selectively
"dehumanizing" either.
For me it was an example of this person's somewhat annoying and
non-constructive behaviour, as much as general cultural hegemony."

And:

"Guys, restating, I am not - or was not - agitating on anyone's behalf.
Related, nothing is being put "up for debate", though things are
freely debated. (Etc. A careful reader might have found more worrying
cues in follow up responses to my last one.)"


Then they accuse him of 'agitating' on my behalf.

So clearly anyone that speaks up in my favour is going to get bullied
like this.



They are now censoring my list posts, so I have no way to respond to the
false allegations.

quote:

They even started to bully Richard Stallman on the London Hackspace
list. It's scary.

quote:

I just noticed someone has written on the white board: "-hired
professional cleaner".
What's the deal with the cleaner?

IMHO we should clean our space ourselves and use the money we save to
buy toys. I think it makes us look bad if we talk about DIY culture,
etc, and we can't even organise ourselves to keep the kitchen and
toilets clean.

I'm sure we have enough people willing to spend some time on cleaning.
I think the problem with doing the cleaning ourselves is just one of
organisation, but we're hackers so we should be able to come up with a
neat solution, right?

Take a toilet for example. The first question is 'when was it last
cleaned?'. This can be solved by sticking a piece of paper on the wall
on which people write the date when they've cleaned the toilet.

The next question is 'if it hasn't been cleaned for x days, who is
going to clean it?'. This problem could be solved in a variety of
different ways:
A) A strict rota showing exactly who is going to clean it, and exactly when.
B) Flexible/anarchic system where people organise amongst themselves
who should clean it next and when it will be done.
C) Something in-between (A) and (B).

(In anticipation of people saying '(B) will never work', that's pretty
much how the bins get emptied at the space, and it works for that.
*shrug*)


What happens if it needs doing but it doesn't get done by anyone?
Possible solutions:
A) Hit the person that's supposed to have done it with a paddle.
B) Pick a person that hasn't done it recently at random and lock them
in the toilet with cleaning products until it's clean.
C) Social shaming/shouting/finger pointing until it gets done.
D) Offer a carrot for the next person to do it.
E) Wait until someone complains and then yell 'DO-DO-DO-DO-OCRACY' at them.
F) ?

(Needless to say: If the community consensus is that paying for a
professional is the best thing for the space/community, I'm happy to
go along with that).

((In order to make the toilet cleaning as quick and painless as
possible, I would recommend ripping up the floor tiles in the toilets
and just painting the concrete. Someone told me this was proposed a
long time ago and shot down for some reason. (or long-term solution:
build intelligent cleaning robot) (If you want to discuss this, it's
probably better to start another thread (maybe on
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/london-hack-space-infrastructure
?))))

quote:

I wonder if our current cleaner reads this list. Cos it came to the
space about an hour after I posted, and made a half decent job of
cleaning the kitchen and toilets (Although it failed to empty the
sanitary bin)

not Peter posted:

"They" is the polite gender-neutral pronoun for humans.

not Peter again posted:

Sometimes it can be worth reading the content of links before you post
them, for useful information, such as:

"The pronouns he or she may be replaced with they when the gender of the
person referred to is unknown."

Using 'they' as a gender neutral pronoun is certainly much less
de-humanising language than choosing to refer to a fellow human being as
'it'.

yes this is Peter posted:

I like de-humanising. I think it's a good thing. I prefer for people
to call me 'it'.

Peter in another response posted:

I don't consider it to be impolite to use 'it'.

Who does? Do they think I'm calling them a robot and that's a *bad*
thing? *shrug*

Peter continues posted:

I don't have time to go around asking everyone which pronouns they prefer!

I think it's funny to call people 'it'. If it upsets them, it can come
and talk to me and I'll try to help it develop a sense of humour. (and
if it really can't do this, I'll stop calling it 'it' in public).

(I like to call robots and computers he or she. (Don't
anthropomorphize computers - they hate it))

Mike-o posted:

wanna hear more about rms being bullied

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

froward posted:

Peter Meadows drops in the #hackerspaces channel (freenode) every so often to ask for guidance in using parliamentary procedure to hijack spaces, or splitting off a new space, etc

He's either an under socialized narcissist or a full spectrum spergior, either way he is often told to shut up and die by core personnel who are otherwise excessively thoughtful and friendly people.

quote:

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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

what

quote:

Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] roof access
Date: 2015-03-07 13:33
From: Torrie Fischer <tdfischer@hackerbots.net>
To: noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net

A few days ago I noticed a big chip missing from the power switch that
controls the christmas lights in the fox lounge. Going up the ladder I also
saw that the bolt that usually keeps the door locked was missing.

Please don't go up on the roof. Its against our lease

quote:

Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Thank you NoiseBridge!
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:18:42 -0700
From: Paul Barwick <paulbarwick@gmail.com>
To: noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net <noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net>


Yesterday one of the headset speakers in my stereo motorcycle helmet sound system failed. I was pricing a replacement - $69, Ouch! - Then a light bulb came on in my head and  I remembered the soldering class I had taken a few months ago at NoiseBridge; where the demo project was a pair of broken headphones - Duh. Thanks NoiseBridge! I just save $69 + I got that warm "I did it" feeling.

quote:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] need expert witness to testify about IP addresses
Date: 2015-04-02 13:25
From: Jake <jake@spaz.org>
To: "noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" <noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Kate Raven <raven.kate at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: looking for someone to testify about IP addresses
To: null null null <null at revolution.cheap>


Null,

Thanks for your help. Basically, I need someone who code testify as an "expert" in a probation violation hearing next tuesday. It should be an interesting experience for whoever does it and I should be able to pay a couple hundred bucks. Basically, the "expert" just needs to have some credentials in computer stuff above that of a lay person (I need them to be able to explain to the court what an IP address is, what an IP login is, and some stuff around this.) If anyone is interested, I can explain more but it is a really worthwhile case.

Kate

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:48 PM, null null null <null at revolution.cheap>
wrote:

> Hey Kate! I won't have time to help, but if you write up a description of
> what you're looking for, I could pass it along to the Sudo Room mailing
> list. Note that it's a public list.
>
> In solidarity,
> null
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Ianna Owen <ihowen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> hey null, this is kate's email raven.kate at gmail.com (also CCed here).
>> she's still looking for someone to testify about IP addresses. hope you two
>> can find someone!
>>
>> <3 !!
>>
>
>

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