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Zeroisanumber posted:Probably has something to do with minorities or immigrants OP. Most men in your position solve this problem by voting straight-ticket GOP and deciding that it's somehow all Obama's fault. it's not like he hasn't made a career out of doing things no one wants and blaming someone else. Or lying about whats in laws he is telling congress to pass. There are no good politicians retard.
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TOILETLORD posted:it's not like he hasn't made a career out of doing things no one wants and blaming someone else. Or lying about whats in laws he is telling congress to pass. There are no good politicians retard. This is how you should start, OP. But you should also start muttering darkly about closing the border, soon you'll find yourself very concerned about the constitutionality of the inheritance tax in spite of the fact that you meet income qualifications to receive food stamps.
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Zeroisanumber posted:This is how you should start, OP. But you should also start muttering darkly about closing the border, soon you'll find yourself very concerned about the constitutionality of the inheritance tax in spite of the fact that you meet income qualifications to receive food stamps. most people are like those aliens in galaxy quest who don;t understand lying, but only with the things law makers and politicians say.
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TOILETLORD posted:most people are like those aliens in galaxy quest who don;t understand lying, but only with the things law makers and politicians say. but they sound so convincing! how could you not trust that face!
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Noyemi K posted:but they sound so convincing! most of them look like those aliens from the star trek movie that just give them selves face lifts 4 times a day.
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TOILETLORD posted:most people are like those aliens in galaxy quest who don;t understand lying, but only with the things law makers and politicians say. Your opponents are children, unable to understand the nuance of political discourse, OP. But you understand better, or at least better than they ever will.
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Dec 12, 2014 20:27
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TOILETLORD posted:excessive hidden taxes that tax the working poor. All the taxes that are added to things that have to be paid retailers or manufacturers, that just increases the cost of goods and or services too.
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David Copperfield posted:Hollywood Video stores, the lynchpins of economic success, were wiped away  
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ArbitraryC posted:Has anyone made a good breakdown of what % of poor people's income goes to taxes compared to what % of rich people's income does? It's obvious stuff like sin taxes are going to have a much bigger effect on the poor than the wealthy but I dunno to what extent that's been quantified. well you also get like environmental "taxes" on gasoline (charging the producer for having to use more expensive manufacturing processes), any similar "tax" on farmers or transportation companies. Taxes on people who make plastics and other materials for consumer good taxes on coal in places that only have coal power plants etc. All that poo poo trickles down but isn't considered a real tax even though everyone has to pay for it and it hits the poor the hardest.
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Dec 12, 2014 20:37
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Yeah but we have to live in the environment, dumbass
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Dec 12, 2014 20:38
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human people have been killing all the lions it can't go well after that
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radiatinglines posted:Yeah but we have to live in the environment, dumbass hmm things cleaner than ever before environment doing better than ever before, lets charge for things that don't help anyone except politicians with stock in companies that would benefit from having to not pay the same fines taxes and fees as other companies in the same market. Welcome to the green industry.
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Profiting off natural resources is so weird and such an obvious scam for rich people to get richer. Obviously gathering and processing needs to be paid for but the idea that someone can sorta just own something they had no part in making is weird, those resources should belong to the country and the people of that country. It'd be like letting someone buy the rights to the water cycle or something.
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lol at 'merica you used to have it so good and now you just suck at everything and you did it all by yourself
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Hogge Wild posted:lol at 'merica lol if you live comfortably anywhere else in the world and think you arent part of the same poo poo system
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TOILETLORD posted:hmm things cleaner than ever before environment doing better than ever before, lets charge for things that don't help anyone except politicians with stock in companies that would benefit from having to not pay the same fines taxes and fees as other companies in the same market. Welcome to the green industry. That's some crazy bullshit, man Where do you pick this up?
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Hogge Wild posted:lol at 'merica lol if u live in the uk and can be arrested for seeing a video of a woman squirting
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TOILETLORD posted:hmm things cleaner than ever before environment doing better than ever before, lets charge for things that don't help anyone except politicians with stock in companies that would benefit from having to not pay the same fines taxes and fees as other companies in the same market. Welcome to the green industry. I don't know what planet you're living on cause it's not Earth bro. Just because YOUR sidewalk gets swept doesn't mean that the oil refineries dumping waste into the Niger River are going away. I blame the popularity of 'trickle-down theory'. Rich people don't spend (the same % of) the money they earn and they definitely don't use it to create jobs, because why should they? There are literally no incentives for them to spend any more money than they need to. But people can be persuaded to vote based on bad information. Economies need to preserve some levels of inefficiency to prevent inequality or else the middle class dies/goes into massive debt like here in Canada.
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radiatinglines posted:That's some crazy bullshit, man in the 70's when there was no epa and we had rivers that would spontaneously light on fire. In the 90's we pretty much cleaned up most of our manufacturing to the point we weren't really hurting anything too much, and we got rid of LA's smog. Then we had a politician pay some scientist to make a graph that showed rising temperatures and make a movie saying the earth would end if we didn't make manufacturers ( a mostly republican industry) the world would end immediately after an election cycle. Democrats control all universities in america except a handful that study and fund global warming. Democrats control the board that decides what scientist get funding. Democrats use the new information from the global warmong studies they funded, giving money to the people they wanted to have it to give 0% interest loans to their freinds, and then take donations from their friends to use for running political campaigns. Then invested in green energy, and then did everything they could to kill all non green businesses because they were the most likely to donate to republicans. sounds crazy, but you'll notice all the big companies and corporations that democrats, hate are chosen by democratic politicains to be a point of focus because said companies donate republican. this isn't crazy talk it's what these shitlords do, and then they just say something else and people believe them.
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TOILETLORD posted:in the 70's when there was no epa and we had rivers that would spontaneously light on fire. In the 90's we pretty much cleaned up most of our manufacturing to the point we weren't really hurting anything too much, and we got rid of LA's smog. Yesss dig deeper
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yipV_pK6HXw
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wait so are there some unironic democrats in here? lmao you should go ahead and tear your voter registration up, you got swindled and need to take a seat \__
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Atma McCuddles posted:I blame the popularity of 'trickle-down theory'. Rich people don't spend (the same % of) the money they earn and they definitely don't use it to create jobs, because why should they? There are literally no incentives for them to spend any more money than they need to. But people can be persuaded to vote based on bad information. Economies need to preserve some levels of inefficiency to prevent inequality or else the middle class dies/goes into massive debt like here in Canada.
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TOILETLORD posted:in the 70's when there was no epa and we had rivers that would spontaneously light on fire. In the 90's we pretty much cleaned up most of our manufacturing to the point we weren't really hurting anything too much, and we got rid of LA's smog. I honestly hope your 100% correct, because the alternative is actually pretty loving grim.
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What if the combined bottom and middle classes just started stealing stuff. I mean, like crazy. Stealing, or breaking stuff. Like a massive guerilla campaign to promote the idea of just going into stores, grocery stores, walmarts, best buys, A&F, Apple, Dillards, etc, and ruining or stealing products. If these bottom classes can not affect change via political channels, or peaceful civil disobedience stuff like Occupy, what about hitting the captains of industry in the wallet? Sure one pair of ruined $80 jeans is nothing, but a hundred? Or a thousand? More?
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The Bananana posted:What if the combined bottom and middle classes just started stealing stuff. I mean, like crazy. Stealing, or breaking stuff. Like a massive guerilla campaign to promote the idea of just going into stores, grocery stores, walmarts, best buys, A&F, Apple, Dillards, etc, and ruining or stealing products. If these bottom classes can not affect change via political channels, or peaceful civil disobedience stuff like Occupy, what about hitting the captains of industry in the wallet? Sure one pair of ruined $80 jeans is nothing, but a hundred? Or a thousand? More?
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kill the rich i'm serious
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A misanthrope posted:kill the rich alternatively, kill all poors
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I'm serious. Wealth may not trickle down, but Loss will definitely trickle up. A lot of... More radical thinkers out there cling to their rifles and prepare for the day they have to take on the gubernmint. In truth, the powers that be are likely much more prepared and capable of handling such armed rebels than we may want to believe. In turn, consider a molotov at the local new car dealership. Thousands of dollars of damage. Lol, I kind of sound a little crazy, but unfortunately, this is really all i can think of as an effective and feasible means to make any sort of change, speaking as a disenfranchised person. In order to negotiate, you need to have leverage. At this time, based on all those graphs and charts and articles posted, it does not seem we have very much if any leverage.
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Noyemi K posted:alternatively, kill all poors then you'll die, idiot there are more of us than them
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A misanthrope posted:then you'll die, idiot who cares if i die, i never did anything good for the world e: and the mass deaths in excessive numbers is kind of the point
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business cycles but without the regulation
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We could all go poor and force the corporations to move to rich countries. 
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The Bananana posted:What if the combined bottom and middle classes just started stealing stuff. I mean, like crazy. Stealing, or breaking stuff. Like a massive guerilla campaign to promote the idea of just going into stores, grocery stores, walmarts, best buys, A&F, Apple, Dillards, etc, and ruining or stealing products. If these bottom classes can not affect change via political channels, or peaceful civil disobedience stuff like Occupy, what about hitting the captains of industry in the wallet? Sure one pair of ruined $80 jeans is nothing, but a hundred? Or a thousand? More? didnt the us distribute pamphlets to cuba or something with little cartoons of workers sabotaging equipment, loafing at work, etc..? edit aah here we go - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Freedom_Fighter%27s_Manual
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pick out a nice bridge, really make a statement... misanthrope i'm talking to u 
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A misanthrope posted:kill the rich Well only 85 people own half the world's wealth so that might be feasible. I mean killing those 85 people would probably be easier than killing 3.5 billion people.
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Noyemi K posted:kill everyone ok i like this solution also
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