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US Space Shuttle - solid boosters can't be turned off, impossible to abort launch for first two minutes - solid boosters explode and kill crew - carries huge heavy engines into orbit, cutting into cargo - heat shield tiles fall off and kill crew - landing gear lever exclusively operated by hand to appease hotshot pilots - no ejection seats, no way to escape vehicle during flight - again, solid boosters will probably kill you if something goes wrong, as seven astronauts experienced firsthand Soviet Buran - superior reliable liquid boosters - engines are not idiotically integrated with orbiter - fully automated flight from start to finish - ejection seats so crew isn't trapped to die during ascent - analog control system not as vulnerable to failure - tiles do not fall off and kill crew - has jet engines for atmospheric flight - no-one died while flying this rocket, a testament to its safety and superior design
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:11 |
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They're pretty much the same except one was actually used op
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:13 |
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http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/05/02/134597833/cosmonaut-crashed-into-earth-crying-in-rage
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RAGE HOLE posted:http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/05/02/134597833/cosmonaut-crashed-into-earth-crying-in-rage pretty lovely way to die. he managed to wrestle his malfunctioning capsule into orbit despite everything breaking and going wrong, only to get wasted by his parachutes at the last minute.
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:37 |
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I like that the Russian one has all that crazy writing on it
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:37 |
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Buran is superior because it was cancelled after only one unmanned flight.
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:40 |
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Cthulu Carl posted:Buran is superior because it was cancelled after only one unmanned flight. actually, it was cancelled because the soviet union imploded and they ran out of money to fly it. this is a question of engineering, not politics.
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:42 |
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yes it wasn't given enough time to spectacularly fail because the organization behind it's construction failed spectacularly first i don't like how it looks like shiny toy plastic
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:43 |
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Snowstorm is a much better name for a space ship imo
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:45 |
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OP is mostly right but shuttles are dumb and the Buran's real strength was that its booster could be used as a standalone Saturn V scale rocket without the Buran.
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:47 |
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space craft have such boring unimaginative names these days. Apollo was cool, but Columbia? Curiosity? wtf is that pussy poo poo why not name them like Conqueror or Baghdad's Bane or Hulk Hogan's Delight
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:49 |
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Buran is cool, but Energia is the best part imo
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:49 |
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lol #BuranIsBest
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:51 |
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The Protagonist posted:yes it wasn't given enough time to spectacularly fail because the organization behind it's construction failed spectacularly first The point is though, it wouldn't have massively exploded during launch like Challenger, because it didn't have solids, and it wouldn't have broken up on reentry like Columbia, because its external tank didn't shed ridiculously huge chunks of insulation during flight. If it hadn't been cancelled, it would have worked very well. It was at worst equivalent to the Shuttle, and at best superior because its engineers could compare against the Shuttle and fix its design flaws.
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:52 |
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-Space Shuttle *Flew successfully into space more than 100 times. *Successfully carried Hundreds of astronauts into space and back -Buran *Flew exactly once (on my birthday) *Carried exactly ZERO people into space.
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:52 |
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John Denver Hoxha posted:Buran is cool, but Energia is the best part imo This is correct, and Energia is the only rocket (that I know of) used to launch a enormous orbital laser weapon.
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:54 |
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genesplicer posted:-Space Shuttle come on GS, the Russian would could possibly have done better, WE JUST DON'T KNOW
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:59 |
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Glorg you should take this topic to the spaceflight thread in SAL I'm sure they'd be very interested to have this debate.
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:59 |
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Glorgnole posted:This is correct, and Energia is the only rocket (that I know of) used to launch a enormous orbital laser weapon. An enormous orbital laser weapon that immediately flew itself back into the atmosphere.
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 05:01 |
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The Protagonist posted:yes it wasn't given enough time to spectacularly fail because the organization behind it's construction failed spectacularly first I will write a 15 page paper on Russian vs Western preferences concerning varnish sheen and what deep truths this reveals about cultural assignations to masculinity, the "End of History," and why The Hobbit movies are bad
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 05:08 |
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Cthulu Carl posted:An enormous orbital laser weapon that immediately flew itself back into the atmosphere. Reentry crash test. Is normal.
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 05:09 |
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Harime Nui posted:why The Hobbit movies are bad whoa whoa let's keep important topics out of this
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 05:10 |
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Harime Nui posted:I will write a 15 page paper on Russian vs Western preferences concerning varnish sheen and what deep truths this reveals about cultural assignations to masculinity, the "End of History," and why The Hobbit movies are bad On the flip side Russian Hobbit is actually good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl7w2Z0vGpA
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 05:10 |
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The Protagonist posted:Reentry crash test. Is normal. Why do they call it Energia? Because you take one look at it, turn 360 degrees and crash back into the atmosphere full throttle.
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 05:15 |
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Cthulu Carl posted:Why do they call it Energia? Because you take one look at it, turn 360 degrees and crash back into the atmosphere full throttle. deadlines had to be met
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 05:17 |
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genesplicer posted:-Space Shuttle - Space Shuttle *Killed a bunch of astronauts -Buran *Didn't kill a single cosmonaut Makes u think
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 05:31 |
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Sanguine posted:- Space Shuttle - Gun I shot one time at a wall *Didn't kill a single person
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 05:33 |
They're actually both garbage and set space flight back decades op.
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 05:36 |
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MegaGatts posted:They're actually both garbage and set space flight back decades op.
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 05:37 |
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MegaGatts posted:They're actually both garbage and set space flight back decades op.
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 05:40 |
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MegaGatts posted:They're actually both garbage and set space flight back decades op.
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 05:40 |
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gnarlyhotep posted:- Gun I shot one time at a wall - fires hundreds of rounds into crowd, brutally murdering fourteen "great job everyone, we did it, we've made space accessible"
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 05:47 |
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Zippy the Bummer posted:space craft have such boring unimaginative names these days. Apollo was cool, but Columbia? Curiosity? wtf is that pussy poo poo Apollo was the name of the program, the actual spacecraft had pretty corny names. The command/service module on Apollo 11 was Columbia and the lander was Eagle. I really like Baghdad's Bane though, mods change my name to this TIA
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 05:59 |
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Glorgnole posted:- fires hundreds of rounds into crowd, brutally murdering fourteen
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 05:59 |
This is a dumb argument because everyone knows Soyuz is the best spacecraft.
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 06:04 |
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Smoremaster posted:Apollo was the name of the program, the actual spacecraft had pretty corny names. The command/service module on Apollo 11 was Columbia and the lander was Eagle. i recall that now that you mention it....drat i guess Viking was a good name but that was the lander and not the craft that bore it to Mars
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 06:06 |
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People make fun of the Cold war Russians but those bastards had some loving incredible know-how to make poo poo work the way they did without the resources of the western nations. Look at the conditions and resources they had and then look at what they made, everything from jets to computers, it's very impressive.
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 07:16 |
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it's almost like if we all focused on science and technology instead of politics, we would be better at science and technology
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# ? Dec 18, 2014 07:18 |
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Also the Russians started their shuttle program seven years after the US one, not to mention that the Buran first flew in 93. Not surprising that they could design some of the most retarded aspects out of it.
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MegaGatts posted:They're actually both garbage and set space flight back decades op.
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