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So apparently Perron found out about his trade to the Penguins via twitter (near the bottom)
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a false posted:i think he was joking about what a lot of (wrong) people here said about st. louis Devil's advocate: St. Louis did his petulant "you didn't include me in the olympics the first time" trade request in the middle of a very promising run for the playoffs, due to feeling jilted that someone dare pick players other than him. Doan's (presumable) trade request is (most likely) due to the team that he thought was turning around continuing to suck and it's only getting worse, and I'd assume he wants to win a cup sometime in his career. Which doesn't seem likely given the current situation in Phoenix, and how it'll likely continue for years until they move because glendale is awful.
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Jan 6, 2015 18:34
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Aye Doc posted:I think Phil would find himself very at home in American where the Thin Privilege movement would praise and worship him Or he can just log in to tumblr and read all about fatshaming.
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Jan 6, 2015 19:46
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Austrian mook posted:Ummm... Recognizing someone for having a (very, very) good game isn't the same thing as approving of someone's actions in not-hockey (DV in this case), so I don't see anything wrong with what he said?
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Jan 7, 2015 08:58
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tofes posted:I agree, why can't people just look past the domestic violence and see what a great goalie Varlamov is I didn't say that at all though  I mean, remarking that hey, this guy had a record setting game is not the same thing as entirely overlooking him beating his GF. Domestic violence is honestly really horrible and it needs to stop, and I think that our culture feeds into the police turning a blind eye to it and it not being prosecuted (same with rape/sexual assault), but I'm not sure it needs to be brought out literally every time someone mentions him, and I'm not sure it means that nobody can recognize that he set a record in that game. Him setting a record in a hockey game is not related to him beating his wife and I'm not sure why recognizing him having a good game is the same as looking past him beating his wife.
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Jan 7, 2015 19:11
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Aphrodite posted:A team record. I thought it was an NHL record for an away team? And regardless he posted a loving 54 save shutout on the road against one of the best teams in the league. I'm not sure what's wrong with recognizing that.
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Jan 7, 2015 19:20
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tofes posted:Actually, it does need to brought up every time he's mentioned. So it was really lovely he wasn't charged, yes, but lets say that Slava Voynov (or maybe for the sake of argument, an American born player) is convicted of his charges and serves a prison sentence. Would it, in your opinion, be appropriate to keep shunning him and make sure he can never get a job after he's done serving out his sentence? And if so, when would it be appropriate to allow him to go back to a "normal" life?
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Jan 7, 2015 19:30
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I'm just asking because I'm not sure what the point is of branding someone a criminal for life and preventing them from leading a normal life other than some sort of lust for revenge rather than rehabilitation. I don't see how shunning people out of society is productive for anyone, as all it does is lead to increased recidivism and wasted lives.
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And yes, being an NHL player is not a normal life, but a lifelong brand is the same concept regardless of circumstance.
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Like, by no means do I think Varlomov is a good person, at least as he is now, and I obviously don't think society should be doing any kind of masking of domestic violence or sexual assault. I have a feeling that there's a possibility that could change with proper rehabilitation. Locking someone up and shunning them as a wifebeater does nothing to actually prevent it. I'm not trying to defend him or his actions at all here, this just struck a nerve I have with the entire justice system in the US, including the popular opinion that we need to seek retribution on criminals rather than rehabilitating them.
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Jan 7, 2015 19:39
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Kyrosiris posted:As soon as some sign of rehabilitation - or poo poo, even simple remorse - is visible, then you might have a point. The point is that rich connected (generally white, but not always) dudes get off the hook for beating their SOs on the regular, and the average sports fan is totally okay with overlooking that if they do the sports really well. Between that, the league's incredible apathy (which obviously they seem to have gotten over with the Voynov case), and Varlamov's lack of anything approaching remorse or rehabilitation or similar, it is something that does need to be brought up, lest it get covered up by "OMG 57 SAVES Do any of us here not know about that though? I know money (and whiteness) generally will get you out of a lot of things, that's as systemic as anything else in this culture. I'm not ok at all with overlooking it, but I'm also not sure how making a post about "he beat his wife" to people who already know about it and hear about it (here!) on average at least once a week does anything to contribute to any sort of discussion. I'm pretty sure we're all against beating wives here, and I'm pretty sure we're all not ok with people getting away with it, so i'm not sure what else there is to say about the matter that isn't beating a dead, decomposing horse.
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hifi posted:I think normal people just move somewhere and don't tell anyone they are a convicted felon. Obviously hard to do when you are a NHL hockey goalie. Normal people are typically unable to get a job without consenting to a background check/disclosing criminal records, which would show you have a felony conviction, which then disqualifies you for that job. Provided you have enough money to move somewhere in the first place, which isn't particularly likely if you're doing jail time on a felony.
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Jan 7, 2015 19:43
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Kyrosiris posted:Yeah, on the main I agree with you. The problem is the "well why can't I like that he's a good goalie? I'm not even trying to squelch criticism, I agree with it. I'm just not sure why we have to post about it here all the time when we all know about it and are all on the same page with respect to it being wrong and bad and something nobody should do and something he should've been punished for (even though he wasn't). e: I also don't think that "wow this guy had a drat good game" is the same thing as "I don't care that he beat his wife, he's keeping my hockey team/fantasy team doing well!" or even the "yeah I like him as a player just not a person" that you hear all the time. Look Around You fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Jan 7, 2015 |
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" line is really emblematic of the average fan that either doesn't care (or hell, likes him more because) about the fact that he beat his SO. And like I said, if he demonstrated anything showing that he was remorseful I'd be inclined to give him a lot more leeway, like I was with the Kings org (though not Voynov himself) before they flaunted his suspension. I just don't like pushes to squelch criticism in the face of "BUT HE DID THE SPORTS GOOD".
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Jan 7, 2015 19:55
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.Spec posted:I really wanted to fakepost "yeah but engellend could play wing as well sooooo" but couldn't on account for agreeing with every word you typed. maybe I wouldn't say depres is objectively bad quite yet, but he's defo not actively good. He's Schrodinger's defenseman. Engelland was almost more effective on wing than he was on d. He scored like 3 or goals there I think, which was probably more than Adams and Glass combined (or at least close to it) e: and despres wouldn't be so bad if he could realize that he doesn't have to hit everything in sight. He gets so far out of position to Get Da Hitz so many times that's it's outright ridiculous.
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Jan 9, 2015 07:56
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Bobrovsky signed a 4 yr/29.7mil contract. Rejoice, Blue Jackets fans! e: beaten. Seems like a high number for a goalie, but it's only 4 years.
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I feel really, really dumb for not noticing why the Ducks picked today of all games to retire Selanne's number. It's actually really clever and kinda thoughtful of them.
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Overwined posted:Must be a New York Thing. Hell, it's kind of a Metropolitan Division Thing now that fatty is out of it. Pittsburgh is not in New York. e: though i guess you're right expanding it into the whole ice cream division.
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fits posted:Hey, British Columbia Premier Christy Clarke, what do ypu think about people being arrested for throwing Leafs jerseys on the ice? that's loving hilarious
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sedative posted:@davegisaac: Zac Rinaldo: "I changed the whole game, man. Who knows what woulda happened if I didn't do what I did?" I was going to ask how loving stupid you have to be to make that statement after how awful of a hit that was, but then I remembered we're talking about Zac "I can get away with more because it's the playoffs!" Rinaldo. e: Also the Pens kinda deserved to lose when Zack Sill took a penalty right before over time, and that after the successful kill, took another penalty by playing the puck on his way to the bench while Malkin was hopping on for him. Maybe he can sit a game or two to learn not to take loving dumb penalties at the end of games or in overtime after the team finished killing off the penalty you took at the end of the game. e2: it maybe wasn't as clear cut as twitter made it out to be? Either way he should probably not play for a while anyway because he's a Not Good Hockey Man Look Around You fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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Reverend Sub-Zero posted:This needs to happen before one of the two teams kills the other. That would be amazing, but the downside would be that the fans would kill each other during the game. There would be soooo many fights.
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So the penguins played a really good game and then Fleury literally stared at both of the hawks shooters in the shootout and didn't move at all on their wristers from the dead middle of the slot so we lost in the shootout 2-0 (oh and also crosby did some half assed get the goalie to go down to roof the puck wihtout roofing the puck thing). Maybe fleury needs to sit and think about how to stop pucks for a little bit and should recuse himself from the ASG.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I dunno that I'd call that a really good game. It was an markedly improved showing, especially without Malkin and Letang in the lineup. I mean the 1st wasn't great, but the 2nd, 3rd and most of OT were good. Plus Scuderi actually looked decent, Pouliot looked good, Bortuzzo had a great game, and the 3rd line of Arcobello-Goc-Downie worked out really well. Also somehow Zack loving Sill scored a for real goal in the NHL. So there's that too.
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Mage_Boy posted:N: Zack Sill third star in Pens loss tonight. He scored a real life goal with a real life shot! It wasn't even a lovely scrum garbage goal, he really shot the hockey puck past the goaltender into the hockey net! And it was past the other team's goaltender into the other teams hockey net! I'm amazed. The media doing the 3 stars were probably just as amazed as I was.
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Sharks Eat Bear posted:tbh i don't know much about lapierre, but this is a dumb, misleading chart. it's overwhelmingly visually suggestive that goc=good b/c he's way up in the top right and dark blue, and lapierre=bad b/c he's way down in the bottom left and dark red. but really, all it shows is that goc is a marginally better, yet still negative, possession player, which might be partially explained by favorable usage*. Honestly to me the strangest part of this trade is Goc not being healthy-scratched for the game. How often do you see players play a game and then get traded immediately afterwards? (not counting Mike Cammallari literally being pulled off the bench in the middle of a period to be traded lmfao e: for rene bork too i literally can't stop laughing thinking about how loving absurd that was) Look Around You fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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myron cope posted:God drat the pens sucked tonight and also that game was horribly officiated and also the caps just tore into the pens Perron looked pretty good as well. It felt like we were alright up until the 2-0 PPG. We just sorta seemed to lose any cohesion in forechecking after that. Like, from what I saw, we were exiting the zone well, but we weren't entering their zone cleanly -- either losing it while carrying it in or dumping it in poorly so nobody could get to it. There were so many clean breakouts that we had that should've resulted in at least some shots off the rush, but they never happened... speaking of which, it looks like when someone's on the ice with crosby, they immediately put "pass to crosby" ahead of literally anything else, including "shoot at open net". Perron is honestly the only player I've seen that doesn't show this at all (though Kunitz is usually ok at not throwing the puck at any numbers that look similar to 87 too). Really we just need to work on zone entry, since it seems all of our problems are stemming from that. Secondarily we probably need to get better at generating shots off of the cycle, because we'll have times where we'll have a solid 30-45 seconds in the offensive zone and not generate a single shot or even an attempted shot.
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Pornographic Memory posted:I think it's supposed to be one of those "wakeup call" scratches for poor play but Johnston's personnel management kind of bugs me. I'm not sure if he's just loving around for the sake of experimentation because the regular season doesn't matter to the Penguins now I guess and the team is mostly healthy so he has the pieces to play around a little, but things like putting Perron on his off-wing so Kunitz can play on the first line when Hornqvist is healthy now, not resting Fleury more, or, well, just letting Zach Sill and Craig Adams play in general don't seem very smart. I don't think these criticisms are very fair (well, maybe the Fleury one is). Perron explicitly said when he was traded that he's comfortable on both wings, but prefers playing LW (his off side). I would imagine that Perron is happy with the change given that. The other thing is that, while it's gotten better, our forward depth still isn't that great. Who do you play on the 4th line if you sit both Sill and Adams? I mean they're not good hockey players, but that's kinda what most 4th lines are. I actually really like how Johnston has been coaching overall. He seems to be able to react to stuff way better than Bylsma did, he doesn't seem to make really stupid panic changes like Bylsma (hello putting craig adams on the first line), and most of all, he gives young players a chance to play in important situations. The fact that he gives rookies a chance on the PK is huge for their development, and it's nice to see a coach trust his players in situations like that.
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Thufir posted:I'm in Pittsburgh for Preds-Pens and just saw Perron, Lapierre, and some other player at the restaurant/ bar we're at. Unfortunately they just seemed to be drinking water and eating dinner, not tying one on. Where did you go? Also I was between going to that game or the Red Wings game, and my fiancee decided on going to the detroit one (i guess the tickets for the detroit one being 30% off helped too). It sounds like it'll be a great game, and consol is a really nice arena and there's really no bad seats in it.
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Ginette Reno posted:No Ehrhoff, Maatta, Malkin, Comeau, Dupuis...Pens just don't have the depth to overcome that against good teams. I'm not sure any team can reasonably be expected to overcome missing 3 top-6 forwards (including a perennial MVP candidate) and 2 of their top-4 defensemen. It's just an awful situation because I really don't think any of this is on Johnston, they've just had really, REALLY lovely luck with injuries pretty much all season to the point where it's not even funny and it's starting to catch up to them.
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Sharks Eat Bear posted:i agree, but i also kind of feel like this has been the case for the past 3-4 pens seasons. injuries are generally bad luck, but at what point do consistent injuries year over year become more than just luck? could it be undertraining? overtraining? i'm being half serious, i know it's kind of The thing is a lot of them are really freak injuries (loving strokes and blood clots, the loving mumps) or legitimately opponent inflicted (rinaldo on letang, comeau being hit from behind into the boards, the loving mumps). Some are kind of mysterious though, like what happend with hornqvist or what is going on with malkin right now. Maatta's shoulder is a little bit of an odd case too. I think he was having issues over the offseason and thought they were better and it got aggrivated or something? I'm not sure on that one.
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or something, but it just feels ridiculous. on a related note, is there data on most man-games lost in previous years? i'd be curious to see where the pens rank (and also to look at who those injuries were -- definitely a lot of top tier players)