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Cuckoo posted:Royce Gracie steps out of a time machine from the past to school Jones RULES *There will be no rounds *Jones will be strapped to a gurney like hannibal lector throughought
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Dangersim posted:If I was Stuart Scott I would have just given up after last night too this is how I feel today as the day goes on. I understand Jones is great but I'm bummed that Jon Jones is never going to lose and it's bad. Every record in UFC's book is going to belong to Jon Jones. Most title defenses, most wins, most eye pokes, most time in the cage, most cancelled events, it doesn't matter he's going to have them all.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:17 |
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The concept of a GOAT in a sport as young as MMA in its current form is kind of laughable to me. The likelihood is that in 20 years from now, we'll have fighters who are much more skilled, talented and well trained than the best of the best currently. It'll own.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:18 |
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Bundt Cake posted:Rankings are really sweet but lets just say there have been a lot of great fighters and there have been guys who have been dominant champions for different stretches and its impossible to quantify greatness in some way to come up with a definitive hierarchy, and because there have been so many great fighters over two and half decades its stupid to just blanket that two guys who went on great runs during the peak of the UFC's popularity as indisputably the best and assert that its ignorant to suggest otherwise is annoying and limits conversation to Joe Rogan talking points Dangersim posted:I want you to list who was better then Anderson and gsp
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:18 |
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Joe Rogan is the GOAT in podcasts though.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:20 |
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Aurain posted:The concept of a GOAT in a sport as young as MMA in its current form is kind of laughable to me. boxing dude. everyone in talks for goat are dead or basically dead
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:21 |
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I would like to put Fujita forward as GOAT
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:22 |
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I said as good. And fine, I'll wade into your argument, but I'm pretty sure you're going to keep arguing without actually listening to me and change between whether its about accomplishments or who would beat who. Lets open with COleman, Chuck, BJ, Hughes, Bustamante and Nogueira. Thats off the top of my head.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:22 |
Lets be real for one second. Nobody gives a poo poo about aldo.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:22 |
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GOAT chat is so boring god drat
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:23 |
Roy nelson woild beat the poo poo out of GSP
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:23 |
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origami posted:GOAT chat is so boring god drat I think it could be cool to talk about great fighters, but I guess we have to make sure that all the idiots know they're dumb if they consider fighters besides anderson and GSP as the greatest of all time.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:24 |
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Bundt Cake posted:I said as good. And fine, I'll wade into your argument, but I'm pretty sure you're going to keep arguing without actually listening to me and change between whether its about accomplishments or who would beat who. not hughes because i don't like him
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Marching Powder posted:boxing dude. everyone in talks for goat are dead or basically dead True, but Boxing has a long storied history with an enormous pool of exceptional talent to choose from. MMA doesn't really, at least for now. The pool of talent on that level is much, much smaller. I'm not sure it holds much validity in Boxing either, but it's a much more reasonable thing to discuss for Boxing.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:25 |
All of the fighters you listed were extremely one dimensional and sucked by modern standards haha..
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:25 |
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I'm really more bummed that DC lost than that Jones won. I like DC a lot and he seemed to take that loss really hard.Marching Powder posted:boxing dude. everyone in talks for goat are dead or basically dead Money Mayweather is still alive and kicking (women).
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:26 |
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Bundt Cake posted:Rankings are really sweet but lets just say there have been a lot of great fighters and there have been guys who have been dominant champions for different stretches and its impossible to quantify greatness in some way to come up with a definitive hierarchy, and because there have been so many great fighters over two and half decades its stupid to just blanket that two guys who went on great runs during the peak of the UFC's popularity are indisputably the best and its ignorant to suggest otherwise is annoying and limits conversation to Joe Rogan talking points With GSP that's arguably true. With Anderson, it isn't. If you are judging GOATness by a period of absolute dominance, nobody can even compare to him and it's absurd to suggest otherwise. For years he beat down his opponents any way he wanted, and only one person managed to even slightly threaten him. He had one tough fight, and in the rematch he destroyed the man. If you judge GOATness by absolute ability, then it will be decades before the GOAT is ever anyone who isn't currently active at the time of discussion. Do you really want to think about what would happen if Nog in his prime tried to fight today's Velasquez or Werdum? Can you imagine what Hendricks or Lawler would do to Matt Hughes face? Basically, you have to tell us how you judge who is the GOAT before the absurdity of claiming it's anyone from the PRIDE era can be properly exposed.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:26 |
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Middle Weight Division Also no one is sparkling. Everyones had ugly moments. Anderson had trouble with Damien Maia and Thales Leites. one of his defenses was against Patrick Cote, and he did almost nothing. Marquardt worked to get him down for four minutes, then got stood up instantly. Lutter mounted him. He wasn't invincible and flawless. He was an amazing fighter in a bad division. he had plenty of good opponents, but lacked challengers at times
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:26 |
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GOAT chat is so boring, and Rankings chat is stupid. Talking about buyrates is also stupid, and talking about "Dream match ups" is also stupid and from Sherdog. Shut her down.. fellas....
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:27 |
Mma is a lot more complicated than boxing so you csnt really compare
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:27 |
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NippleFloss posted:Money Mayweather is still alive and kicking (women). sure if he fights pac i'll put him behind 7 or 8 other dudes
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:27 |
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Dan Henderson is the greatest
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:29 |
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if "Pound For Pound" was a real thing that actually meant what its supposed to then Aldo would be ahead of Jones, but no one actually cares because hes small and isnt murdering the remnants of the Pride pro wrestling marquee steroid guy division
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:30 |
Dominick cruz #1 p4p
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:31 |
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manyak posted:GOAT chat is so boring, and Rankings chat is stupid. Talking about buyrates is also stupid, and talking about "Dream match ups" is also stupid and from Sherdog. Shut her down.. fellas.... I actually agree with this. We should discuss DC dropping even more weight to go down to MW since he looked absolutely tiny last night.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:31 |
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Marching Powder posted:sure if he fights pac i'll put him behind 7 or 8 other dudes Ironic, since the only way he fights Pac is if he gets to stand behind 7 or 8 other dudes. (I like Mayweather and think he would win)
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:32 |
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Alternate Universe Mark Coleman where he isn't broke and throwing fights to strange Japanese men is also probably the best
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:32 |
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Bundt Cake posted:I think it could be cool to talk about great fighters, but I guess we have to make sure that all the idiots know they're dumb if they consider fighters besides anderson and GSP as the greatest of all time. I mean none of the fighters you listed have the resume Anderson has and a few of them aren't even remotely close.
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Nick Thompson is The Goat
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:33 |
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as far as any singular accomplishment goes i think tj deserves serious consideration for outclassing and then wrecking a guy in the 'p4p rankings'. if you're ranked in the p4p list, you should not be able to be dismantled and if you are, it's an incredible achievement..... but once a fighter is defeated he wasn't that good anyway let's stop pretending he was back o the line tj
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:34 |
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Ty1990 posted:I mean none of the fighters you listed have the resume Anderson has and a few of them aren't even remotely close. Why dont you make a specific point professor
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:34 |
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Here's what the lady who was beaten to death last night was doing before going to the UFC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v5SNexJSVs
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:34 |
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And we resort to GOAT chat because I want to forget everything about last night.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:35 |
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Ty1990 posted:I mean none of the fighters you listed have the resume Anderson has and a few of them aren't even remotely close. it's not about 'who'd beat who in a fight' or anything like that because there is a generation(s) gap.. greatness is intangible, they all deserve consideration, like bundt said ages ago
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:35 |
If p4p was real then ronda rousey wouldnt be on the list , shed be behind gleison tibau somewhere
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:35 |
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Aldo will get his due if/when he beats McGregor. It will likely take place in front of the largest UFC audience ever and it will have as much hype as any tiny MMA fight has had. And it should happen before Jones next fight.
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Dr. Abysmal posted:Here's what the lady who was beaten to death last night was doing before going to the UFC. lmao.
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Ty1990 posted:And we resort to GOAT chat because I want to forget everything about last night. If this is all we have to talk about UFC is dead rip
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:35 |
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Demetrious Johnson is the real goat since there is no chance he is going to lose a fight as champion and he fights regularly.
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 21:36 |
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PETE WILLIAMS
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