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Schiavona posted:Fencing is fun and I loved it when I did it years ago, but as soon as we were taught about flicks I decided foil can go gently caress itself forever and switched to sabre. If I remember correctly, hitting someone with the guard counts in foil matches, so if you're insanely aggressive and fast you can basically punch someone with it and get a point. Bad strategy in real matches, great strategy if it's a bunch of teens loving around in fencing lessons. Quite the opposite - hitting someone with the guard will gain you a card. Depending how far back you're going, flicks in foil aren't as much as a thing since 2005. Neon Belly fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Jan 8, 2015 |
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Crazy Achmed posted:On the subject of the flick - yes, it's a pretty dastardly tactic, but it is by no means easy to pull off. It is possible to parry them and they fail horribly if your distance isn't perfect. The timing changes were done in 2005. I've never seen/heard of someone getting carded for landing flat. But, on the point of it looking awesome, you can still pull off things like this touch around 1:05: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34VUUyI1_fI&t=1s
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Verisimilidude posted:The thing is I'm not necessarily counterattacking when it happens. I'm maintaining my defensive position, and the attacker is literally running into my weapon. It's where imo things like right of way tend to break down. It assigns absolute roles to individuals (attacker/defender) when in actual swordplay offensive actions have to be defensive simultaneously rather than after-the-fact. It's the difference between swordplay and electric tag. How does epee compare to this, as double touches and timing lock outs are a common occurrence?
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Crazy Achmed posted:There's definitely some asymmetry at work in my body, too. My right side (weapon arm) serratus muscles are a bit more developed, and if I am climbing up on to something I'll instinctively put my left leg on it first and use it to lift my body up, like coming up from a squat. 
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For anyone who cares, Imboden got gold and Massialas got bronze Challenge International de Paris. Steam link.
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Women's épée wasn't in the Olympics until 96 and women's saber didn't start until 2004. This was also reflected in events worldwide. The U.S. having women's sabre in the 90s was considered early adoption and is arguably why they've done so well internationally.
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thrakkorzog posted:What's wrong with wearing jeans to training? Warm up pants cost $10 and you don't look silly wearing them while doing an Olympic sport.
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thrakkorzog posted:To me that's kind of the fun part of fencing. A 19-year old Adonis can dominate at fencing, but only so much. Alex Massialas was on the senior world championship team at 15. Race Imboden was taking golds at Div1 NACs and medaling at World Cups at 16. Tsunemori posted:Is this normal for many advanced, non-competitive fencers? Or is this an early warning signal to look for a different club? It's like you said - they're non-competitive. They're fencing to have fun, socialize, and enjoy themselves, maybe hitting up local tournaments a few times a year to get knocked out early but hang out with their buds after. They don't see a need to run daily and lift to supplement their fencing, because they're having a great time doing their own thing.
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Crazy Achmed posted:I just went to my first session for this year - we just warmed into it with some free bouting, my legs feel surprisingly good today. This isn't really a thing anymore. Back in the day when you were, say, only training in Naples, and you mainly competed in Naples, and had limited exposure to fencers from outside of Naples, yes, you were expected to parry in first and second. When you fenced someone from Budapest, they would parry in three, four and five. Today this isn't the case outside of beginner fencers, because exposure to different styles (alternatively different skill levels), you either evolve past what you were taught in those first few months, or you never make it very far. Coaches are also fairly transient, further hindering the ability for one area to foster a specific kind of (effective) style that you won't see emulated outside of there. Kaidanov came from the USSR to coach to a small and fairly unknown town, while on the other hand, Beguinet came from France to coach in the Deep South. Michael Marx was taught by his mother. It would be a stretch to say that if you took three fencers from these places, you'll be able to identify some kind of Russian/French/Oregon styles of fencing, when it all really comes down to "what works currently in competition?" You could also watch videos of even Americans fencing Americans, from the same area, and see distinct differences. Imboden and Chamley-Watson's lunges are quite different, but they train only a few blocks from each other. Neon Belly fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Jan 27, 2015 |
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Armagnac posted:Any recommendations for clubs in NYC? I'm in brooklyn if that changes anything... NYC is where you'll find the best concentration of fencing talent in the country. Brooklyn Bridge Fencing was founded by Dan Kellner, former Olympian, and also home to Race Imboden, current Olympian. There's also the Fencers Club in Manhattan, home to many Olympians, NCAA champions, etc. Manhattan Fencing Center is also home to a handful of Olympic fencers/coaches.
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Kim Jong ill posted:Would sport fencing be better if it weren't straight back and forth in a line? (IMO this rule basically precludes any comparisons being made with a martial art, because holy hell restricting your movement to one dimension is dumb as poo poo in the context of combat). In the context of combat, there are no rules. The idea that any combat sport prepares you for real world combat is laughable. This is why you'll even see successful Pride fighters say they completely avoid street fights, because they fight with a ruleset that doesn't exist on a sidewalk. ScratchAndSniff posted:The historical reason I was told for the narrow strip was that from a self-defense perspective, you would probably be fighting in alleys between buildings instead of open fields. The real reason is probably just to conserve space, and because the electrical equipment makes running around impossible. Escrime had an article on this awhile ago and basically said that originally it was fenced in a circular piste, but the more successful fencers would resort to fencing in a line, eventually leading to what we have today. Neon Belly fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Feb 14, 2015 |
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thrakkorzog posted:It seems like anyone who has fenced a bit of Epee would have have decent enough footwork to notice that someone is aiming for a foot. The forward foot is the easiest, and most most obvious spot to try to score a point. So most fencers learn to avoid attacks aimed at their feet, that's pretty much the reason fencers focus on footwork. You should stop comparing fencing with striking or grappling.
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Crazy Achmed posted:This is just demoing the general bladework style and form of attack, right? Otherwise someone should tell these people they really, really need to step back before/with the parry. Why?
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Also worth checking out some of the material posted on the FOC website.
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Crazy Achmed posted:So, a priority question for reffy types: in foil, if someone establishes a line and moves backwards while keeping their point in line and arm extended (e.g. stepping back or dodging by leaning their torso back), are they ceding priority? Some people have told me no, as the arm remains out and the line remains unbroken, whereas others have said that any backwards motion of the point cedes right of way. A line is a line is a line. It exists irrespective of footwork. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfPyANhtPuM Neon Belly fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Apr 16, 2015 |
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dupersaurus posted:And then you lose a touch because your wiggling tip bounced off of the target before the box registered it. Gotta love the guys who wear chest protectors.
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curious lump posted:Can anyone recommend a good fencing school near Renton or Seattle? Not really interested in learning, per se, but free sparring and the like. Salle Auriol has a pretty large space and does open fencing.
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dupersaurus posted:They say the problem with "do X exercise" as a consequence for losing is that you're turning stuff they should be doing anyways into a punishment. Not that anyone likes doing them in the first place, and it's not like there's much other leverage for a coach. Instead of punishing losing, you might want to punish specific actions (like a bad habit they have), with the punishment being something silly. One of my past coaches had been known to mandate the chicken dance if someone tried to parry in a no-parry drill. On the other hand, you can make people really good at planks/pushups/burpees/running laps.
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While watching the women's foil div1 final the other day, overheard a spectating ref say that it isn't possible to have PIL and hit off target after that was called 
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I'm kind of confused by a coach who might in any way be related to a competitive team that would want to teach you "pre-electric fencing."
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Neat vid on Nzingha: https://vimeo.com/176507317
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Olympic schedule + live stream links.
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Let's not forget the failed attempt at the clear masks!
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If anyone wants to be horrified, r/the_donald has taken a pretty deep dislike to Ibtihaj Muhammad. I swear I only go there ironically.
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No specific fencing recommendations, but congrats on the weight loss!
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Your feet being T-shaped shouldn't effect your back foot placement. There's plenty of elite fencers who don't turn their back knee fully out and have their foot closer to 45 degrees than 90. There's fencers who rarely have their back heel down, and fencers that rarely stand up straight. Don't get bogged down because your form isn't perfect to how you idealize it. Neon Belly fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Oct 3, 2016 |
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dupersaurus posted:No idea what the quarte/quinte questions refers to. Parry 4/parry 5. No one uses parry 5 in foil. Your instructor is doing a parry 4.
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dupersaurus posted:Instead of back foot on the en guard line, they made a new line for saber that's like a meter or something closer. Is this a joke?
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It's been awhile, but my BF blues lasted me for 4+ years of practicing four times a week and going to well over a hundred tournaments. If anything the funny part is that all three of them snapped in the same month.
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Perestroika posted:To be fair, apparently it actually was fairly common practice of cavalrymen in the US Civil War to leave their sabres unsharpened. However, that was not so much due to any practical consideration, but rather because at that point in time the sabre had been largely superseded by carbines and handguns as the primary weapon of choice for cavalry. And when you're dealing with soldiers, the rule #0 is that they'll be looking for any way to avoid whatever work doesn't seem necessary to their immediate survival. While a sharpened sabre would undoubtedly be way more effective, I guess even a blunt one could still be reasonably dangerous in a pinch when swung from horseback. So you'd end up with a whole lot of blunt sabres mostly because their owners figured "why bother?". *hacks at enemy with blunt sword* We are truly the gentleman's army.
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Siivola posted:You can do it with a butter knife so you should be able to do it with the strong of your sabre as well. The trick is, the bottle is under pressure so if you hit just the right spot, the top of the neck shears itself clean off. I did it with a spoon once.
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Fence epee for a few weeks, it'll teach you real quick to keep your bell up.
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Team USA's men's foil crushed it in Tokyo over the weekend 
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Technique and skill go out the window if you're huffing and puffing to continue moving. It's a sport.
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BirdOfPlay posted:What's hosed up is that Imboden had to drop out of college because of his modelling, because the NCAA would've revoked his "student athlete" status if he modeled while going to school. Never read this, didn’t realize Race started with AFC. Neon Belly fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Nov 24, 2017 |
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dupersaurus posted:Pipkin! I don't know if you've heard, but he was randomly assaulted a week or two ago and there is a GoFundMe set up to help him with his medical bills/lost income from the injuries. Not sure if it's against the rules to link it, but you should be able to find it easily on Google.
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Penn State fencing assistant coach placed on administrative leave after sexual misconduct violations surfacequote:Penn State fencing assistant coach George Abashidze was placed on administrative leave by the university, Penn State Intercollegiate Athletics spokesperson Jeff Nelson told The Daily Collegian.
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