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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Is it even still worth building the pipeline given how low gas prices are now Saw a published piece today that said lower prices only made it more important to build. Please follow that logic.
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Feral_Shofixti posted:Kindly take Virginia off your map, tyia we must never lose the sacred homeland of Our Values
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Barudak posted:Saw a published piece today that said lower prices only made it more important to build. Please follow that logic. Push it down to $.00000000000000000000000000000000000000001/barrel, baby! 
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Barudak posted:Saw a published piece today that said lower prices only made it more important to build. Please follow that logic. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Is it even still worth building the pipeline given how low gas prices are now I refer you to this excellent scholarly article: Jumpingmanjim posted:Keystone XL has already halved gas prices and it hasn't even been built yet. Obviously we need to get it built sooner.
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Pegged Lamb posted:if keystone xl isnt built right now america will die. were running out of time you have to tell us where the pipeline plans are TELL US WHERE THEY ARE NOW WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS
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Chokes McGee posted:you have to tell us where the pipeline plans are TELL US WHERE THEY ARE NOW WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS He's not cooperating! Thank Jesus we have these enhanced interrogation techniques for use by brave super-patriots!
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Please build the pipeline mr obama im worried about america. 
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Just realize I could have written Santa about this for Christmas if only I had known WHY DIDN'T YOU POST THIS SOONER OP!?!?
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i am not american but i know this pipeline is important. build up this pipeline mr obama!
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Obama please lay some fat pipe.
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Bob James posted:Obama please lay some fat pipe. Keystone XXXL
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I think we should hold off. I heard some European countries that already had Keystone XLs got to upgrade to limited edition New Keystones, so I'm pretty sure we'll be able to get regular New Keystones here in a few months.
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Ernie Muppari posted:I think we should hold off. I heard some European countries that already had Keystone XLs got to upgrade to limited edition New Keystones, so I'm pretty sure we'll be able to get regular New Keystones here in a few months. I'm on board with Keystone XL but what about Keystone Light, for those of us who want a smoother, less dense Keystone?
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420DD Butts posted:I'm on board with Keystone XL but what about Keystone Light, for those of us who want a smoother, less dense Keystone? We need to build the pipeline to help demonstrate a demand for the entire family of Keystone products.
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CommieGIR posted:Isn't XL on the back burner for them with the oil price collapse? That would require the Harper Government thinking twice about one aspect of their current platform. To change that now would be crazy!
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Helsing posted:Harper has never been a businessman. He's been on the Canadian equivalent of wingnut welfare ever since he graduated from university. First he was an assistant to Preston Manning, who is kind of like the Canadian equivalent of Newt Gingrich (not a perfect comparison but basically he's the early 1990s guy who really pushed neoconservatism in the legislature). Then he was an MP for the Reform Party (Manning's political party, imagine a Canadian version of the Tea Party that destroyed and then absorbed the Republicans over the course of a decade). Then after a term as an MP Harper worked for the National Citizens Coalition, which is basically the Canadian equivalent of the Heritage Foundation. And then became the leader of the newly formed Conservative party, go re-elected as an MP, and went on to become Prime Minister in 2006. He hasn't spent any extended amount of time in the private sector during his adult life, he's always either drawn a salary from a corporate funded think tank or from the government. It sounds like you just described Paul Ryan, P90X notwithstanding.
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You know I'm surprised more of the american left isn't in favor of the pipeline. It would lower the cost of Alberta Tar Sands Oil which, while messy, is utterly destroying a portion of the planet no one lives on. It also really is safer to move the oil via a pipeline than through trains. By not going with the pipeline, it guarantees an age of relentless fracking throughout the United States AND more trainloads of oil coming down from Alberta, making mini spills all along the way.
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420DD Butts posted:I'm on board with Keystone XL but what about Keystone Light, for those of us who want a smoother, less dense Keystone? Oh, Keystone XL, you're so smooth.  Please, someone else get this reference so I don't look like a cretin
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Dominus Vobiscum posted:It sounds like you just described Paul Ryan, P90X notwithstanding. They have the same dead, soulless eyes, have Paul Ryan gain a lot of body fat and age 20 years and they'll probably look identical
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Shadoer posted:You know I'm surprised more of the american left isn't in favor of the pipeline. It would lower the cost of Alberta Tar Sands Oil which, while messy, is utterly destroying a portion of the planet no one lives on. It also really is safer to move the oil via a pipeline than through trains. Because principles are more important than results
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We have to do Keystone-XL because if there is an opportunity to take Indian Lands in violation of a treaty, America is obligated to do it. On the safety question, I think this forbes article is the best at delineating the confusing statistics: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/04/26/pick-your-poison-for-crude-pipeline-rail-truck-or-boat/ posted:The short answer is: truck worse than train worse than pipeline worse than boat (Oilprice.com). But that’s only for human death and property destruction. For the normalized amount of oil spilled, it’s truck worse than pipeline worse than rail worse than boat (Congressional Research Service). Different yet again is for environmental impact (dominated by impact to aquatic habitat), where it’s boat worse than pipeline worse than truck worse than rail.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Is it even still worth building the pipeline given how low gas prices are now Oil prices won't stay low for the ~50 year lifespan of the pipeline. If anything it's better to build now while energy is cheap, then reap the benefits when oil prices climb back up.
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I'm against the Keystone pipeline simply because the energy industry needs to be told that just because they want something, doesn't mean America should bend over for them.
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I hope they don't build that pipeline.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:They have the same dead, soulless eyes, have Paul Ryan gain a lot of body fat and age 20 years and they'll probably look identical From  to 
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From what I understand most objections to the pipeline aren't to it's existence so much as where they want to build it would put major aquifers at risk. Of course it's become part of the rhetoric now so the facts don't really matter much in any case.
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I hope they build a pipeline that feeds yoo-hoo's to Canada
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Keystone XL gives you ooooooooo
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420DD Butts posted:I'm on board with Keystone XL but what about Keystone Light, for those of us who want a smoother, less dense Keystone? Count Canuckula posted:I hope they build a pipeline that feeds yoo-hoo's to Canada
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Acquilae posted:In return I want a maple syrup pipeline going straight to Chicago. I think this is going to be the start of a thick gooey friendship.
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Jan 12, 2015 22:51
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America and Canada are going to pump their respective fluids all over each other, it's going to be beautiful.
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StandardVC10 posted:I'm against the Keystone pipeline simply because the energy industry needs to be told that just because they want something, doesn't mean America should bend over for them. Keystone pipeline was already built, sorry.
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Really guys, in this day and age I think if we don't give specific companies exemptions from laws they don't like, what will America become?
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paragon1 posted:From what I understand most objections to the pipeline aren't to it's existence so much as where they want to build it would put major aquifers at risk. Many pipelines already cross that Aquifer
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Really, at this point I oppose Keystone XL on principle. It has become a representation of the future of US energy policy - either more of the same or a shift to expand alternative energy sources. Eventually you have to pick a hill to die on, might as well be this one.
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Rygar201 posted:Many pipelines already cross that Aquifer Don't they carry a less dangerous substance or something though?
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Miltank posted:Don't they carry a less dangerous substance or something though? Yeah. It's pick your poison basically. Are you worried more about dirtier oil over an Aquifer or oil train derailments levelling towns?
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420DD Butts posted:Really, at this point I oppose Keystone XL on principle. It has become a representation of the future of US energy policy - either more of the same or a shift to expand alternative energy sources. Eventually you have to pick a hill to die on, might as well be this one. You realize that this only requires federal approval because it's international right? Tons of pipelines are being built to transport the same stuff across the same areas that are domestic. This is an incredibly stupid fight to put up.
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