FreudianSlippers posted:Proper swords are pretty expensive and time consuming to make. A polearm requires a lot less metal, a lot less work and has a lot more reach. Swords in most of Europe and Japan were a status symbol and personal defence thing. Most places wouldn't let you carry around a weapon, but in Japan or the HRE noble men could carry their swords for self defence. Pretty much everywhere it was illegal for a commoner to carry around anything that wasn't obviously a tool, like a knife, or used for hunting, like a bow. That makes a lot of sense because a gathering of poor people with weapons of war would be something most rulers would like to avoid. There is lots of wiggle room here though. Mercenaries carried their weapons, but no local lord wanted the hurt that pissing off a mercenary captain would bring if they started to arrest his bros.
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MegaGatts posted:Swords in most of Europe and Japan were a status symbol and personal defence thing. Most places wouldn't let you carry around a weapon, but in Japan or the HRE noble men could carry their swords for self defence. Pretty much everywhere it was illegal for a commoner to carry around anything that wasn't obviously a tool, like a knife, or used for hunting, like a bow. That makes a lot of sense because a gathering of poor people with weapons of war would be something most rulers would like to avoid. There is lots of wiggle room here though. Mercenaries carried their weapons, but no local lord wanted the hurt that pissing off a mercenary captain would bring if they started to arrest his bros. See also: gun control
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Jan 12, 2015 21:46
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chainmail protects against swords, not plate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFu11mSutd0
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Rando posted:chainmail protects against swords, not plate. It's a question of what type of sword you're facing, and the type of sword that you're facing is dictated by what armor it will be facing. For example swords from the viking or early feudal periods tend to have a rounded tip and be double-edged, primarily used as slashing/hacking weapons. Chainmail is a pretty reasonable protection against this, but it's less good against direct thrusting weapons (wearing a thick padded coat under one's chainmail however is a surprisingly good impact absorber against arrows). As the amount of plate armor worn slowly increased from the late thirteenth century, the older style of knight's sword became obsolete. Later medieval swords like the Estoc have a pointed tip specifically to punch through the gaps in a suit of plate. Stilletto type knives were also commonly used for this purpose, making grappling an important part of one on one combat between knights on the battlefield. e: Like a real fight to the death between two 15th-century knights is basically either they try to beat each other to death with the hilt of their swords or they grapple until one guy gets a judo move on the other and puts him on the ground, then shoves a knife under the edge of his helmet. It's pretty lame and gay compared to anime IMO. Harime Nui fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jan 12, 2015 |
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Rando posted:chainmail protects against swords, not plate. I'm the smugly confused samurai at the end
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Jan 12, 2015 22:20
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A curse upon you all, may your penis wither https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6qV9gjU4yg edit god damnit bullshit Rando fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jan 12, 2015 |
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Jan 12, 2015 22:27
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where is the video of katana vs plate armor? why aren't they wearing armor made of rolled up bamboo mats?
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Jan 12, 2015 22:28
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Harime Nui posted:It's a question of what type of sword you're facing, and the type of sword that you're facing is dictated by what armor it will be facing. For example swords from the viking or early feudal periods tend to have a rounded tip and be double-edged, primarily used as slashing/hacking weapons. Chainmail is a pretty reasonable protection against this, but it's less good against direct thrusting weapons (wearing a thick padded coat under one's chainmail however is a surprisingly good impact absorber against arrows). As the amount of plate armor worn slowly increased from the late thirteenth century, the older style of knight's sword became obsolete. Later medieval swords like the Estoc have a pointed tip specifically to punch through the gaps in a suit of plate. Stilletto type knives were also commonly used for this purpose, making grappling an important part of one on one combat between knights on the battlefield. Yeah despite thw popular image of technological stagnancy medieval weapons actually changed constantly, especially during wartime, to suit various trends in armor and other stuff in war Like often you can narrow down when and where a sword was made based just on shape due to the constant change without even having to look at metallurgy or more technical forensic stuff
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Jan 12, 2015 22:32
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Also this only proves that wrassling is the ultimate martial art
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Jan 12, 2015 22:35
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Mr. Pumroy posted:let's go on a crusade to the holy land but along the way let's also sack what's left of the roman empire every time someone makes a sad noise about Venice slowly being overwhelmed by the seas I smile
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Jan 12, 2015 22:36
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Btw what are the odds on gladiators being fake? Pro wrestling levels of fake? Put on a show, draw a little blood? Really kill people but only like random mooks and animals? Or straight try to murder each other evwru time?
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Jan 12, 2015 22:39
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seems like having a good chance of killing your best entertainers every time you a put a show would be terrible for business
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Jan 12, 2015 22:40
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gently caress the romans
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Jan 12, 2015 22:42
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a sword has high dps but you need a weapon with high dam to pierce plate armor some kind of hammer or weighted spike katanas were a garbage sword, japs just liked to hype their metallurgy because it took a lot of skill and blood magic to turn their poo poo tier iron into a blade that doesn't shatter when you stare at it funny. that's why they used, lol, paper armor.
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Jan 12, 2015 22:44
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ok maybe paper armor was chinese katanas were still only good for when your shitfaced on rice wine and want to go hack up some rice farmers for giggles bc the japanese were goofy rednecks until they got nuked
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Jan 12, 2015 22:49
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yeah even the japanese knew their weaos were trash tier which is why they all migrated to guns as soon as humanly possible
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Jan 12, 2015 22:52
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Mange Mite posted:Btw what are the odds on gladiators being fake? Pro wrestling levels of fake? Put on a show, draw a little blood? Really kill people but only like random mooks and animals? Or straight try to murder each other evwru time? This is pretty much the case. Gladiators were extremely valuable to their owners and typically only did a few fights a year. Gladiators themselves earned a lot of money and got a lot of pussy.
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Jan 12, 2015 22:53
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the yumi was alright and the naginata is among the least lame of polearms but goddamn did medieval japan suck at war the mongols swept through them like they were nothing until they realized japan is bullshit and left at which point the mongol navy got destroyed by a storm on their way home that the japanese took credit for of course
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Jan 12, 2015 23:05
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The Mad Archivist posted:every time someone makes a sad noise about Venice slowly being overwhelmed by the seas I smile venice was a lot better anyway, it was Athens 2.0 with knights what's not to love?
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Jan 12, 2015 23:07
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Harime Nui posted:venice was a lot better anyway, it was Athens 2.0 with knights what's not to love? open sewer system being marketed as canals
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Jan 12, 2015 23:09
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Just take a bath in the local swampwater and you'll be fine!
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Jan 12, 2015 23:10
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Harime Nui posted:venice was a lot better anyway, it was Athens 2.0 with knights what's not to love? venice was the dunning-kreuger city of the middle ages
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Jan 12, 2015 23:11
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fanged wang posted:the yumi was alright and the naginata is among the least lame of polearms I like that one thing which is just a baseball bat with nails in it
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Jan 12, 2015 23:11
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The Mad Archivist posted:venice was the dunning-kreuger city of the middle ages the first seasteaders
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fanged wang posted:the yumi was alright and the naginata is among the least lame of polearms You're dumb. Please stop talking.
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Jan 12, 2015 23:17
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Mange Mite posted:I like that one thing which is just a baseball bat with nails in it lol yah look at this retard 
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Jan 12, 2015 23:18
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those shoes look comfy tho
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Jan 12, 2015 23:18
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What is the origin of the pointy elf shoe? You see it all over the world so thrre must be some point to it
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Venice was like, the first medieval state to employ what we would consider a professional marine corps including armored longbowmen, their galley rowers were actually highly honored volunteers, and their knights were famous across Europe for their swag style. Byzantine fans can sip their drat hatorade. 
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Jan 12, 2015 23:21
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Mange Mite posted:What is the origin of the pointy elf shoe? You see it all over the world so thrre must be some point to it Pointed footwear can help you get in/out of a stirrup more easily I guess? I don't really know, pointy shoes tend to be a sign of class and style wherever you go though, the 1990s and the brief popularity of roundtoe shoes being an exception
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Jan 12, 2015 23:23
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MegaGatts posted:You're dumb. Please stop talking. lol shut the gently caress up you sperg human being
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Jan 12, 2015 23:25
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Mange Mite posted:What is the origin of the pointy elf shoe? You see it all over the world so thrre must be some point to it probably easier to slap together than some rounded proper poo poo. then shoe technology caught up thanks to se asian sweatshops and now we walk tall in our air jordans
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excuse me while i repeat verbatim some poo poo my history professor said in the absolute gayest voice imaginable i am a source of great shame and regret for my parents- magagagts
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Jan 12, 2015 23:26
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fanged wang posted:lol shut the gently caress up you sperg human being lol, keep going you little bitch. Keep being a monumental retard, It;s kinda funny but mostly just sad cause you dont know youre a loving idiot,
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fanged wang posted:excuse me while i repeat verbatim some poo poo my history professor said in the absolute gayest voice imaginable i am a source of great shame and regret for my parents- magagagts Knowing things just isn't for me cause I love being a loud mouth retard who can't get laid- fanged wang.
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Jan 12, 2015 23:31
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I am literally embarrassed about what I remember about weaponry and military history because I like to pretend I'm a serious socioeconomic-focused historian and not the kinda guy who got into his field because of watching Excalibur as a kid
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Jan 12, 2015 23:32
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Harime Nui posted:I am literally embarrassed about what I remember about weaponry and military history because I like to pretend I'm a serious socioeconomic-focused historian and not the kinda guy who got into his field because of watching Excalibur as a kid How serious are we talking?
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Jan 12, 2015 23:34
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Harime Nui posted:I am literally embarrassed about what I remember about weaponry and military history because I like to pretend I'm a serious socioeconomic-focused historian and not the kinda guy who got into his field because of watching Excalibur as a kid this is actually every historian ever, I'm pretty sure
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Harime Nui posted:I am literally embarrassed about what I remember about weaponry and military history because I like to pretend I'm a serious socioeconomic-focused historian and not the kinda guy who got into his field because of watching Excalibur as a kid Lets be clear. No one gets into history as a kid because of the suffering of the proletariat. People get into history because of awesome knights and baller horse archers and poo poo. Later you read Wealth of Nations and Das Kapital, but nothing is as cool as two dudes in armor wailing on each other.
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Iamblikhos posted:How serious are we talking? Tho theriouth.
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