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Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


Grey Skies posted:

lol yase if only it could be as good as america

*has one million mass shootings per day*

*people in crippling student debt*

*everyone dies or is bankrupted from the common cold*

*is a literal third world shithole*

you make life here sound so exciting

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fuccboi
Jan 5, 2004

by zen death robot

Grey Skies posted:

lol yase if only it could be as good as america

*has one million mass shootings per day*

*people in crippling student debt*

*everyone dies or is bankrupted from the common cold*

*is a literal third world shithole*

Look at this libtard idiot that probably gets masturbatory lefists propaganda from thinkprogress. actually america is good, rules, and most people are pretty content with their middle class lives.

TOILETLORD
Nov 13, 2012

by XyloJW

Phoon posted:

government already has to manage its money they cant overproduce their currency or it will lose value (sometimes it is a good idea to do this because whilst it means your citizens will have to pay more for imports you will get more foreigners interested in your exports) and vice versa. any government that just says gently caress it lets print loads of money and cancel our debts will have huge repercussions to deal with (even this may be worth doing) - doing this will piss off investors in the country and make others unlikely to invest, but investing in something is not and should not be a guaranteed return on money, there is always risk, that's why you make money from investing - you are earning a premium for taking a risk.

the problem greece has is that it cant do this as it has no control of its currency. germany doesnt want greece to be able to do this also, as it is mostly german banks that are invested in greece - the germans basically want their banks to get money for their risky investments without taking any actual risks

by adding additional requirements for currency that can be affected by the outside world you just make it harder for government to manage its currency and leave the country open to manipulation

no one cares about greexe except the EU because they are retards who accepted it as a burden.

I was refering more so to real economies, like USA japan and china. All of which have their governments actively manipulating their currencies on the world market.

Phoon
Apr 23, 2010

they should be manipulating their currencies on the market thats a good thing it gives them flexibility

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

TOILETLORD posted:

my point was any currency you can'y make out of thin air because you are required to back it up with a material of some kind. It's why i said to tie the dollar to something worthless, like quartz so we get quartz certificates. Then we limit the amount of dollars in curculation because banking institutions are then required to have tons of quartz on hand to give to people, and if they want to print more money they have to go out of their way to store more quartz. Should kill most inflation, when it's too much work for bankers to get more quartz to store.

Good thinking, Lycurgus.

TOILETLORD
Nov 13, 2012

by XyloJW

P-Mack posted:

Good thinking, Lycurgus.

gently caress it lets, just make 1 dollar = a liberal arts degree since they are of about equal value.

the worst thing is
Oct 3, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

TOILETLORD posted:

gently caress it lets, just make 1 dollar = a liberal arts degree since they are of about equal value.

That elicited a genuine snicker, haven't had one of those in a while

Tsinava
Nov 15, 2009

by Ralp
getting to go to college for a liberal arts degree for 1 dollar would kind of own.

TOILETLORD
Nov 13, 2012

by XyloJW

Tsinava posted:

getting to go to college for a liberal arts degree for 1 dollar would kind of own.

oh no it cost a full 50k it's just it's final value is 1 dollar on the market, and you just wasted 49,999 dollars.

sexy young infidel
Nov 13, 2014

Faggot of the Year
2012, 2014
I don't care bitch

TOILETLORD
Nov 13, 2012

by XyloJW

sexy young infidel posted:

I don't care bitch

this sentence needs a comma to make sense. it should say "I don't care, bitch" guess you got a liberal arts degree.

Tsinava
Nov 15, 2009

by Ralp

TOILETLORD posted:

oh no it cost a full 50k it's just it's final value is 1 dollar on the market, and you just wasted 49,999 dollars.

oh well thats lame

TOILETLORD
Nov 13, 2012

by XyloJW

Tsinava posted:

oh well thats lame

that's how america works you want something give all your money to rich people for a crumb.

Dave Concepcion
Mar 19, 2012

etalian posted:

This is a good google talk on the topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQuHSQXxsjM

this was p cool

Tsinava
Nov 15, 2009

by Ralp
let the system buttfuck you until you achieve nirvana

TOILETLORD
Nov 13, 2012

by XyloJW

Tsinava posted:

let the system buttfuck you until you achieve nirvana

the trick is to skip the system and just jump to the crap job you would have after college.

Starving Autist
Oct 20, 2007

by Ralp

Slipknot Hoagie posted:

Look at this libtard idiot that probably gets masturbatory lefists propaganda from thinkprogress. actually america is good, rules, and most people are pretty content with their middle class lives.

Yeah, these libtards just have never seen the real America, such as the inside of my gated community.

Punk da Bundo
Dec 29, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
americans do complain a lot, especially about things that they dont even have to worry about.

student loan debt! MEDICAL BILLS! LISA NEEDS BRACESSSSSSSSSSSSSS


try living in lovely europe (balkans) and seeing how happy u r.

*things americans take 4 granted*

*lines*
*using a service and it works, cable guy doesnt come 18 hours later and asks for a bribe*
*dogs arent everywhere*
*tv is old american shows or belics bouncin tit hour*
*everything smells like garlic*

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

TOOT BOOT posted:

I don't think they take accounts that small

i see you tried already

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

TOILETLORD posted:

just make 1 dollar = 5 lbs of quarts. Lets see the government try and store 5 billion lbs of quartz next time they want to borrow money.

they wont need to store it they will just trade quartz backed certificates

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

TNG posted:

The thing that a lot of people who advocate for a return to the gold standard don't consider is that those resources also fall under the same fluctuations and irregularities that so called fiat currency does. It's not that there's some inherent and stable value to quartz or gold or gold pressed latinum or whatever, it's all still traded and goes through the same bubble and crash prices that mostly every other material or "made up" thing does in the world. When you're making the argument that something needs to be backed up by something "real", one has to consider what actually has value in modern economies. The real doesn't so much matter if it's perceived to have any worth at the given moment. Look at the derivatives market.

But that's the crux of the issue, it's not so much we need to return to some sort of hard currency, we need to push for stable economic regulations and controls that dictate that companies can't sell and trade a bunch of horseshit like bad mortgages packaged as AAA futures, closing loopholes for tax evasion, and generally prosecuting criminals that take investor's money and essentially gamble with it.

Besides, we all know that the true currency of the future will be bullets anyway.

Pro tip

the only real currency we ever had was people


the government racks up debt based on the earning potential of the US population

but they wont get me the natural born free man

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Pon de Bundy posted:

americans do complain a lot, especially about things that they dont even have to worry about.

student loan debt! MEDICAL BILLS! LISA NEEDS BRACESSSSSSSSSSSSSS


try living in lovely europe (balkans) and seeing how happy u r.

*things americans take 4 granted*

*lines*
*using a service and it works, cable guy doesnt come 18 hours later and asks for a bribe*
*dogs arent everywhere*
*tv is old american shows or belics bouncin tit hour*
*everything smells like garlic*

have you considered moving to what is a not lovely european country

uh Czech Republic?

Bobert Bobertson
Apr 1, 2014
make quartz sheets money imo

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
gold pressed latinum

Dogo
Sep 24, 2007
Once again Europe poo poo they pants as they do. Will the US bail them out with a roll of TP once again?

huskarl_marx
Oct 13, 2013

by zen death robot
if you could harness power from cynical defeatist inaction, leftist threads on SA would be strong enough to bring even spain's economy back from collapse


just kidding it would all get funneled to the prime nato states

Decebal
Jan 6, 2010
Europe just needs an outside enemy that will unite and energize everyone. Like they did during the Crusades

sexy young infidel
Nov 13, 2014

Faggot of the Year
2012, 2014
i'd like to see osm epretty girls from czech republic... as far as the rest of europe goes, eh... screw it, you know? gently caress them

TNG
Jan 4, 2001

by Lowtax

Top City Homo posted:

Pro tip

the only real currency we ever had was people


the government racks up debt based on the earning potential of the US population

but they wont get me the natural born free man

Well, in about 20 years or so we'll all be serfs again anyway, tilling the polluted ground for our corporate feudal barons. Hopefully the Church makes a resurgence and institutes a day of charity so they won't be free to murder us on Wednesdays or whatever.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

sexy young infidel posted:

i'd like to see osm epretty girls from czech republic... as far as the rest of europe goes, eh... screw it, you know? gently caress them

id like to gently caress the czech girls too

:mrgw:

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

TNG posted:

Well, in about 20 years or so we'll all be serfs again anyway, tilling the polluted ground for our corporate feudal barons. Hopefully the Church makes a resurgence and institutes a day of charity so they won't be free to murder us on Wednesdays or whatever.

i will welcome that future

at least we will not all be fat entitled assholes

huskarl_marx
Oct 13, 2013

by zen death robot

Top City Homo posted:

at least we will not all be fat entitled assholes

well, uh, that "future" still has a bunch of people working without reward because of a few fat entitled assholes, so, like, maybe fight classism and exploitation instead of regressing to a more rudimentary form of fat entitled assholeism?

Irradiation
Sep 14, 2005

I understand your frustration.

etalian posted:

This is a good google talk on the topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQuHSQXxsjM

pro click

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

huskarl_marx posted:

well, uh, that "future" still has a bunch of people working without reward because of a few fat entitled assholes, so, like, maybe fight classism and exploitation instead of regressing to a more rudimentary form of fat entitled assholeism?

lol no communism bad

huskarl_marx
Oct 13, 2013

by zen death robot
only if you think communism doesn't have a definition and that any edifice created that bears the label communism can be taken as an example of the ideals of socialist capitalism (i.e., developing capital for the benefit of all entrants into the economy equally)

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)

Grey Skies posted:

lol yase if only it could be as good as america

*has one million mass shootings per day*

*people in crippling student debt*

*everyone dies or is bankrupted from the common cold*

*is a literal third world shithole*

good dont come here

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

huskarl_marx posted:

only if you think communism doesn't have a definition and that any edifice created that bears the label communism can be taken as an example of the ideals of socialist capitalism (i.e., developing capital for the benefit of all entrants into the economy equally)

humanity is a selfish species whose monkey brains can only recognize a max of 70 people as part of their kin network


everyone else is a faceless mass

so lol if you think communism is a thing attainable by our species

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

Maybe I'll drown
kill humans until only 70 people remain

Decebal
Jan 6, 2010

Top City Homo posted:

humanity is a selfish species whose monkey brains can only recognize a max of 70 people as part of their kin network


everyone else is a faceless mass

so lol if you think communism is a thing attainable by our species

It would work like a charm if everyone was high on MDMA.

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naem
May 29, 2011

The issue is that the broke sovereign nations can't print more cash money to solve today's debt issues, and deal with inflation down the line, because they don't have their own currency anymore.

The non-broke countries (Germany) are like "INFLATION??? We ain't printin' aww hail naw" even though mabes they should (I don't claim to know)

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