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"I'll improve your thresholds!" I noticed something weird recently. Any terrible Muse lyric suddenly becomes brilliant and quirky and savage if you imagine Bjork singing it instead. I don't know why, but it's true.  "Embedded spies / brainwashing our children / to be meaaaaan ~~"
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Why would I want to hear those drill sergeant samples every time I listen to that song? Oh, that's right, I don't. 'Progressive' bands love to do this. Don't put lengthy vocal bits in your songs! Listenability is infinitely more important than your 'concept.'
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Mar 12, 2015 21:36
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Popcorn posted:"I'll improve your thresholds!"  And you're so right about the songwriting. well the SEKDEK stuff ended up looking pretty cool after all.
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Mar 12, 2015 21:36
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Well I guess anyone who expected Muse to move past the whole "ironic paramilitary anthem" thing was wrong in the worst possible way, huh? More dubstep please.
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Mar 12, 2015 22:37
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Popcorn posted:"I'll improve your thresholds!" And she attacks me like a Leo When my heart is split like Rio Great Vespertine b-side, that one!
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Mar 12, 2015 22:45
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The song's also on Spotify. And on the first listen, it's doing nothing for me. The riff itself is nothing special, and does this thing have a chorus at all? "I hope it's going to grow on me" etc. etc., but I must say I agree with Popcorn. When did their riffs and vocal melodies become so pedestrian? (Answer: right around "The Resistance")
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Mar 13, 2015 00:07
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Slate Action posted:Why would I want to hear those drill sergeant samples every time I listen to that song? Oh, that's right, I don't. Exception: Us and Them (even if it isn't all that lengthy really) This song is abysmal.
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Mar 13, 2015 00:11
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Mar 13, 2015 00:28
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I can't believe Muse got famous political cartoonist, David Dees, to do their album art.
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Mar 13, 2015 02:22
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Dubstep Jesus posted:I can't believe Muse got famous political cartoonist, David Dees, to do their album art. Not near enough mind-control references. Dees must've blown them all on the Disturbed album. I'd say it's a Rall, but the art actually looks professional. That song is exactly what a Muse song with that album art, with Drill Sergeant as a temp name, in 2015, is going to be. Deathlove fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Mar 13, 2015 02:30
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People don't like the art? It's the Storm Thorgersonest art possible without being a massive sculpture in the middle of a desert. It's cool
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Mar 13, 2015 02:42
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Awful cover and 6 minutes of "NO YOU SHUT THE gently caress UP DAD". Nice first shot.Hedrigall posted:People don't like the art? It's the Storm Thorgersonest art possible without being a massive sculpture in the middle of a desert. It's cool You're wrong. For starters, there's nothing floating in mid-air with a flabbergasted passerby staring at it, or a normal person with a normal thing that is improbably large. I'd classify this as "post-stroke Thorgerson-esque"
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Mar 13, 2015 02:46
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I thought everyone knew Matt Mahurin did all the art. His stuff is pretty loving amazing.
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Mar 13, 2015 03:23
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Deathlove posted:That song is exactly what a Muse song with that album art, with Drill Sergeant as a temp name, in 2015, is going to be. but Mr Drill Sergeant isn't on the album version of Psycho! (going by Spotify) e: ah nevermind, just the intro. And actually using logic, one can assume [Drill Sergeant] is the same intro. And [JFK] is probably something like 1:15 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf5bagQ5LOE man how good was the 06-07 tour... Paperback Writer fucked around with this message at 09:56 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Mar 13, 2015 08:20
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Paperback Writer posted:No, the worst part is that's an entirely seperate song. Oh thank christ E: we listening to the same track? Only drill sergeant removed is the intro one mfcrocker fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Mar 13, 2015 08:56
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mfcrocker posted:Oh thank christ
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Mar 13, 2015 09:06
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Yeahhh...the song is ok. Nice big fat riff but the song itself is a little too simple. Not much of a chorus there either. The bassline during the stupid drillsargeant bit is really cool with a nice fuzzy sleaze to it.
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Mar 13, 2015 12:33
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The art is good if you imagine the control sticks as dongs, because then it's saying that men are controlled by their dongs and it is deep. The riff in that song is cool though.
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Mar 13, 2015 14:06
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The riff is nice on its own, but I feel like it loses something on being played on repeat through the whole song without much change other than a key change I think. Trying to put my finger on what modern Muse singles or whatever it is that I don't like. With this and Uprising and Survival, am I alone in finding in particular what I dislike seems to be these slow, repetitive marches that keep a relatively slow tempo and seem there as stadium crowd pleasers/sing along but aren't actually that interesting to just to on their own.
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Mar 13, 2015 15:12
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Fat Turkey posted:Trying to put my finger on what modern Muse singles or whatever it is that I don't like.
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Mar 14, 2015 00:58
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I actually really liked Madness and Panic Station from their last album (probably the only things I liked from that album) and were good poppy singles, but this and poo poo like Uprising are just so loving bad.
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Mar 14, 2015 02:10
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muse's lyrics and vocals have gotten so bad its to the point where if you simply removed them completely the song would be much better. The lyrics have always been bad but at least bellamys vocals covered up some of that when he actually sang
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Mar 14, 2015 22:21
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My problem with late-era Muse is that any sense of sarcasm or irony is gone, everything is delivered so sincerely. If there's a sense of levity, even the slightest bit where you feel like Bellamy might understand the overwrought seriousness of his lyrics, lines like "your assssssssssssssss" and "it's time the fat cats had a heart attack" would be a lot better. Before, the bombast or intricacy of different songs helped distract from how bad the lyrics can sound at times, but now there's nothing preventing you from pricking up your ears and wondering what the gently caress they were thinking when they wrote some of these songs.
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Mar 15, 2015 00:31
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Fat Turkey posted:
That was what struck me the last time I saw them live, the rhythm was stuck at midtempo march for most of the set. quote:An ongoing fetishising of militaristic imagery so vague it ends up more fascist than the things it ostensibly protests. As one YouTube comment puts it: "When he sings "They will not control us", I do not know what he is talking about." I think it says something that Glenn Beck is apparantly a big Muse fan.
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Mar 15, 2015 16:35
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Muse should really go back to writing about aliens and/or gibberish like Plug in Baby.
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Mar 15, 2015 16:56
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I listen to this poo poo and then go back and listen to Megalomania and wonder what the gently caress happened. Like, it's not even like they can't pull off pseudo political commentary either. Dead Star was really really good. Maybe 2001 was just a really good year for them.
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Mar 15, 2015 18:40
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All you motherfuckers decrying the death of the old Muse, go suck a big motherfucking droney dick: http://youtu.be/D0jHUwLq7OI (Brand new song, not Psycho. Will update with better video later.)
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Mar 16, 2015 00:34
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...  quote:Belfast Ulster Hall
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Mar 16, 2015 00:55
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Hedrigall posted:All you motherfuckers decrying the death of the old Muse, go suck a big motherfucking droney dick: http://youtu.be/D0jHUwLq7OI Are you suggesting that old Muse was 80s hair metal with right-hand tapping solos?
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Mar 16, 2015 01:16
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Hedrigall posted:All you motherfuckers decrying the death of the old Muse, go suck a big motherfucking droney dick: http://youtu.be/D0jHUwLq7OI You need to step away from the keyboard for a while.
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Mar 16, 2015 03:23
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I can die happy if I never hear Assassin again.
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Mar 16, 2015 03:30
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_gz7i5yQCs A bit clearer! Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=596ISCHL9-A 1080p Hedrigall fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Mar 16, 2015 |
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Mar 16, 2015 03:37
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So we have Uprising v2 and an 80s hair metal song. New album is looking promising!
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Mar 16, 2015 05:33
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From the sound of things, Reapers(just like their other new songs) has good bits like some of the guitar parts and the verse(?) but it's such a mess of ideas thrown at the wall that doesn't really make sense.
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Mar 16, 2015 06:06
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcpCDJelasU Another recording of Reapers. This one has really good audio quality, but it's missing the first verse/chorus. There's some funky background vocals during the solo at 2:00, I kinda like them. I'm really looking forward to hearing the studio version! I hope they also keep in the outro with the air raid siren.
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Mar 16, 2015 10:33
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Honestly, '80s hair metal is a good look for them so I don't really have anything against this. See also "Guiding Light" for their monster ballad.
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Mar 16, 2015 11:42
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Sir Lemming posted:Honestly, '80s hair metal is a good look for them so I don't really have anything against this. See also "Guiding Light" for their monster ballad. Guiding Light was hot garbage, this one seems really good and reminds me at times of the odd thing off OoS
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I agree (to a point) with the lyrics issue, and I think it does tie into the same military/facist rebellion stance they are pushing. OoS has generally nonsense lyrics, Absolution has ‘legible’ lyrics but played to a general end-of-the-world/desperate times theme, and BHaR is where some political stuff comes in (Take a Bow, Soldier’s Poem, Assassin, Exo-Politics), but the music is generally still good enough to make it fun. The only one of that shortlist there that I skip is Assassin, but then again, I wouldn’t put any of those amongst BHaR best songs. The military thing is an irritation and an odd source of inspiration. Maybe if Muse actually got behind political messages like Russell Brand does (not saying what he does is good or bad or publicity or whatever, but at least goes on marches and regularly posts about topics in detail, not generic soundbites). As irritating as Chris Martin or his music may be, I don’t doubt he tries to make some change and a difference. But Muse wheel around on tours telling us about THEM AGAINST US and FIGHT and DRONES as rich people who don’t actively go any further to make a difference. OK, so maybe they don’t actually mean it and it’s all tongue in cheek. I could live with that, if the music made up for the disingenuous lyrics. I actually don’t mind some of their forages into electronic, and while initially I was a bit surprised at the dislike of orchestral, on second thought I realise I agree with you because I separate classical from that. I like Exogenesis and keeping classical music in there, but then I think of the use of an orchestra in the intro to Survival and agree it is the Hollywood schmaltz you described. So more Rachmaninov and Bach and less cliché strings. I actually don’t mind the two final tracks from the 2nd Law (I sometimes use them to run to), but they’re not if you strip them as an experiment and strip Chris’ songs because they are absolutely awful, there’s not enough solid songs to back some experimentation gone bad. I think had they been tagged onto a longer, better album they would have been more acceptable. And I’m all over you with the lack of structure for their ideas, and somewhat with the risk-averse approach (which is a bit unfair when they have TRIED to break away and experiment with electronic and funk and stuff, its just that it didn’t work). When they seemed to want to make a ‘standard’ Muse song, that’s where the risk aversion comes in, and there seems to be a focus on ‘will this work in a stadium’, medium tempo marches (I said slow before but correcting to medium) with a middle 8 which used to contain good solos, but now is just the main riff repeated like he’s forgotten the words to a secret verse. Not going to think too much about Reapers until I hear the studio version. I’ve happily seen Muse live twice (HAARP and Resistance) but the recent albums put me off doing so again and so I’ll largely be listening to them on headphones, so I want to know what that’s like.
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Popcorn posted:
I don't listen to Muse at all but the kinds of imagery and language they seem to be using are largely taken from conspiracy theories, and fascism is basically what happens when conspiracy theory thinking is applied to politics, so there's a stronger connection there than just vague militarism.
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