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Big enough news for it's own thread and because it could easily just have the conversation spread across every Marvel thread. Often teased and never followed up on. Marvel have announced that they will be destroying all their existing universes and combining them together going forward. In short no more Ultimate Universe, old 616 is gone and everything is a new mish-mash of whatever Marvel wants to keep around (so long Fantastic Four, more people are Inhumans and so on). quote:Brevoort recapped the current "Avengers" storyline, "a series of intersections between universes. Situations where two parallel universes intersect at a given point." Such intersections are called "incursions" -- "two Earths go in, one comes out. Or none of them come out." source Discuss how this is the best/worst thing to ever happen.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:03
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So at the end, I imagine it's a way to keep the characters they want around and to set them as they want them. But it also might be a way to have two of the same characters with in-continuity stories that both matter, like a married Spider-Man with a kid, and a single Spider-Man, and also have Miles running around.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:09
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I don't think this is actually going to have a drastic effect on most books' status quo going forward, even if Marvel wants you to think otherwise.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:12
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People who think a reboot is on the table must not have been paying attention to the Inhumans ongoing launching one month before this.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:15
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As long as Ms. Marvel does not get hosed with, dunnnnnnnnnnnnnnn care I find the very concept of getting rid of the multiverse dumb; arbitrary limits are dumb, massive retcons are useless. Infinite worlds own, Exiles for life  Of course it is Marvel, so they are going with brand synergy approach, it won't be a mess of Nu52 where the new poo poo does not connect with the previous continuity or the unified cross-media perception.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:16
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I think Ms. Marvel or anyone with a film coming out (Inhumans) is pretty safe to stay close enough to what they are.Barry Convex posted:People who think a reboot is on the table must not have been paying attention to the Inhumans ongoing launching one month before this. Secret Wars is still ongoing for another year though, 12 or so issues is plenty of time for another fresh #1.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:17
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So they are getting rid of/merging the entire Marvel multiverse, ie 616/ 1610/ 92131/ 199999 etc., or just select ones? I have to wonder what the reason for this is. Its not like there was any big confusion about which universe was which like you may have with DC. Though like many have said this may be Disney suits issuing orders from upon high that anything they (Marvel/Disney) do not have the film/TV rights to has got to go. Or is this Battleworld made out of the "toppings that fell off" and other universes will still go on albeit with possibly multiple versions of a character running around?
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Jan 20, 2015 22:17
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Yeah, I can't see them getting rid of new popular stuff like Spider-Gwen or Ms Marvel or Miles. I think this is being done to align characters to the MCU, or to their most iconic versions. For example the Spider-Man book might restore the Peter/MJ marriage, X-Men 92 could dial back things like vampire Jubilee, dead Wolverine and Cyclops' heel turn. Ultimate Samuel L Jackson will likely end up as the one true Fury. Fantastic 4 is up in the air. They likely won't be having a book in the new universe but would they replace Reed with the evil ultimate version? Maybe!
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Jan 20, 2015 22:20
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What I learned from this is that Spider-Gwen is the only book to care about because it isn't either in 616 or 1610. I'm fine with that.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:20
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All the remaining universes will be Battleworld. Like, there's no 616 or Ultimate, they're all one big universe now.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:21
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MH Knights posted:So they are getting rid of/merging the entire Marvel multiverse, ie 616/ 1610/ 92131/ 199999 etc., or just select ones? I have to wonder what the reason for this is. Its not like there was any big confusion about which universe was which like you may have with DC. Though like many have said this may be Disney suits issuing orders from upon high that anything they (Marvel/Disney) do not have the film/TV rights to has got to go. All the other worlds are being destroyed (most already have) in Avengers/New Avengers/Spider-Verse. It's being billed that going forward there will be just one and other things will be saved. Rather than having multiple versions of characters i'd say they'll just have one of each to be the new "definitive" version.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:21
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I like this:quote:Alonso said he thinks "Secret Wars" will be a great jumping-on point for new fans. 
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Jan 20, 2015 22:21
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Waterhaul posted:I think Ms. Marvel or anyone with a film coming out (Inhumans) is pretty safe to stay close enough to what they are. It's 8 issues, and I believe they're coming out over 4 or so months. Agreed that calling this a "reboot" seems ridiculously premature.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:22
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So this could end up with Ultimate (aka Movie) Tony Stark's in 616 hanging out with the Avengers in NYC while Superior Tony continues to be a glorious dick in San Fran? That's kinda neat and if Gwen's on-going doesn't get affected beyond a text square saying "616 - NYC #4" then it'll all be fine. What are the odds that married Peter is written by someone other than Slott? And I'm gonna guess the All-New All-Different Avengers are gonna be a bunch of pieces of avengers teams from around the multiverse put together into one team? Crap, now I'm actually getting excited because maybe Wolverine does stay dead and Saturday Morning Cartoon Wolverine will have to take his place.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:25
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Not sure how people like Miles and Spider-Gwen are supposed to work in a new combined universe, since their backstories are pretty unique to Spider-man not being around. They can functionally work, but it takes something away from their characters. Consider me wary on how this will work out. I liked the "mashing their toys together" thing in theory, as far as Marvel utilizing all their current and abandoned comic lines in some Crisis-esque melee, but pulling a DC afterwards removes some of the fun and uniqueness Marvel had going for decades.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:27
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FoneBone posted:It's 8 issues, and I believe they're coming out over 4 or so months. If it's not rebooting then what is it? It seems to be the nu52 way of all this stuff is all new and this more popular stuff we care about is the exact same just taking place over a shorter period.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:28
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Marvel is using some tricky wording, so I don't blame so many people for falling for it, but: The premise of SW is that everything in the multiverse but Battleworld has ceased to exist. Thus, "this is the Marvel U going forward." Clearly, the post-SW status quo is not going to be Battleworld, and I feel pretty comfortable in predicting that it'll be much closer to current 616 continuity than Marvel wants you to believe.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:30
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Crap, now I'm actually getting excited because maybe Wolverine does stay dead and Saturday Morning Cartoon Wolverine will have to take his place. I hope this happens, and cartoon Wolverine only ever punches people. He only uses his claws on metal objects. I don't even really believe Battleworld will be around after Secret Wars. I think they'll restart the multiverse, but you'll see things Marvel wants to keep as "this story matters!" in their main continuity.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:30
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My uncle who works for Marvel has confirm to me that the mastermind behind the events leading up to this will be revealed to be ROM the Space Knight and this whole event is actually design to bring ROM to the forefront and become the face of new Marvel.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:33
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Waterhaul posted:If it's not rebooting then what is it? It seems to be the nu52 way of all this stuff is all new and this more popular stuff we care about is the exact same just taking place over a shorter period. What I expect it will amount to is just inserting a bunch of multiverse characters and concepts into 616. MAYBE we'll see some characters' origins altered, though that still seems to be speculation, but I expect that most books' status quos will be largely unaffected. And again, they don't look to even be renumbering, let alone rebooting.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:34
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Is there a compilation of all those battleworld teasers from before the Secret Wars announcement?
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Jan 20, 2015 22:34
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Barry Convex posted:Marvel is using some tricky wording, so I don't blame so many people for falling for it, but: To be clear the last part is exactly what I expect things to be. Just 616 with Miles and Sam Jackson coming over from the Ultimates, Inhumans more integrated, Fantastic Four decreased importance, Avengers more similar to MCU and say like maybe Daredevil regiven his secret identity to match the show.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:35
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Codependent Poster posted:I hope this happens, and cartoon Wolverine only ever punches people. He only uses his claws on metal objects. Cartoon Wolverine is just bewildered by the language some people use and gets excited that he's allowed to drink beer. But yeah, probably just some characters added here and there, every now and then they use Marvel Zombies country as a stand-in for the Savage Lands to finally give 'em a rest.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:38
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Waterhaul posted:To be clear the last part is exactly what I expect things to be. Just 616 with Miles and Sam Jackson coming over from the Ultimates, Inhumans more integrated, Fantastic Four decreased importance, Avengers more similar to MCU and say like maybe Daredevil regiven his secret identity to match the show. That's not too unreasonable. But if they were altering history to give Inhumans a bigger role, I'm pretty sure they'd put Uncanny Inhumans on hold until after SW.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:39
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Barry Convex posted:That's not too unreasonable. But if they were altering history to give Inhumans a bigger role, I'm pretty sure they'd put Uncanny Inhumans on hold until after SW. Yeah that makes sense too. The Inhumans relaunch just seems to have been handled so ineptly that I wouldn't really be surprised if they rebooted or relaunched or whatever with 8 issues or that however unlikely it'd be.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:42
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Wait didn't they post that map of Battleworld with all sorts of weird geography changes? If it's just going to be the same drat world with Ultimate characters in it, then whatever who cares that's not really a reboot.
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Jan 20, 2015 23:06
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I think Battleworld is just supposed to be a transitional thing and that after Secret Wars is over it'll settle down to normal geography.ArmyOfMidgets posted:So this could end up with Ultimate (aka Movie) Tony Stark's in 616 hanging out with the Avengers in NYC while Superior Tony continues to be a glorious dick in San Fran? That's kinda neat and if Gwen's on-going doesn't get affected beyond a text square saying "616 - NYC #4" then it'll all be fine. I really doubt we'll see multiple versions of the same character and by that I don't mean different Spider-Mans like Gwen or Miles but multiple Tony Starks.
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Jan 20, 2015 23:08
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The Battleworld is the melting pot. The new Marvel Universe will be the finished soup after it cooks. Waterhaul is probably spot on. I'm really excited about this. No risk, no reward. Marvel has been on fire lately, so I don't see them New 52ing flat on their face.
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Jan 20, 2015 23:14
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Die Laughing posted:Waterhaul is probably spot on. I'm really excited about this. No risk, no reward. Marvel has been on fire lately, so I don't see them New 52ing flat on their face.
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Jan 20, 2015 23:18
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Sounds like an interesting idea. I'll be interested to see where they go. I imagine this'll be how they integrate Miracleman into the mainstream MU, if that's even part of their plans.
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Jan 20, 2015 23:19
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I'm all for the multiple versions of the same character running around during SW but if this ends with multiple Peter Parkers running around the new Marvel Universe I won't be a fan of that.
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Jan 20, 2015 23:29
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Rhyno posted:I'm all for the multiple versions of the same character running around during SW but if this ends with multiple Peter Parkers running around the new Marvel Universe I won't be a fan of that. Way more likely to end up with a huge-rear end Spider-Family, with Spider-Woman (Drew), Spider-Woman (Gwen), Silk, Ultimate Spider-Man, Amazing Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Girl (Anya), Spider-Girl (Mayday - shutupicandream), Scarlet Spider and... I dunno... Rocket Racer.
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Jan 20, 2015 23:48
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You forgot Spider-Ham and the Spider-Buggy.
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Jan 20, 2015 23:50
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I remember reading in one of the millions of speculation articles that "editorial hates the 616 designation," is that true?
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Jan 20, 2015 23:57
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I was down for this on Hickman/Ribic alone, but I'm really digging the idea of a selective reboot. Spring-cleaning of superfluous or convoluted characters and problem IPs (there's no way the FF survive this) and a general stream-lining of canon to incorporate popular stuff from other continuities and return certain properties to the status quo. Can't wait to see Hickman writing rear end in a top hat Tony from Civil War and Crisis on Infinite Thors. I'm really excited!
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Jan 21, 2015 00:01
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IUG posted:You forgot Spider-Ham and the Spider-Buggy. Then we should also have Supaidāman and Leopardon. Maybe the '79 live action Spider-Man can be the cranky old neighbor.
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Jan 21, 2015 00:02
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Why is everyone so quick to completely write off FF in a Hickman penned event?
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Jan 21, 2015 00:02
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MH Knights posted:Then we should also have Supaidāman and Leopardon. Maybe the '79 live action Spider-Man can be the cranky old neighbor. Half the Spider-family crashes on the Parker's couch and the other half lives with Supaidaman in his Leopardon that's parked on the front yard.
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Jan 21, 2015 00:04
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Senor Candle posted:Why is everyone so quick to completely write off FF in a Hickman penned event? Because Marvel is apparently trying to reduce emphasis on properties to which they don't have the film rights.
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Jan 21, 2015 00:04
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Half the Spider-family crashes on the Parker's couch and the other half lives with Supaidaman in his Leopardon that's parked on the front yard. And we have wacky hijinks with MJ constantly complaining that he deliberately parks that thing in front of her car so she can't get out of the drive, and Spider-Ham gets mad that little Mayday keeps pulling his tail.
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Jan 21, 2015 00:07
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