evilweasel posted:Someone fill up some footballs and leave them in the cold and then measure their pressure so we can get some data tia couldn;t you just calculate it with the volume of a football I, for one, fully support this investigation into the temperature needed to cause a collapse. Where are the balls Obama.
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i am not the first person to think of this: http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/deflategate-pats-under-investigation-for-potentially-deflating-footballs/ looks like normal temperature variations between testing at 70 and the temp outside accounts for about .7 psi of lost pressure, so you've got 1.3 psi to account for, you could probably fill the ball at 90 or 100f and rush the balls into the testing and get these results, i think, but assuming that the 2 psi is accurate there is no way routine temperature variations do this
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evilweasel posted:we don't actually know that anyone checked the colts balls, but I am more interested because i'm wondering if you can do this intentionally with temp variations in what you fill the balls with and what they become on the field because that's the only good way of intentionally rigging this i see They should just use nitrogen to fill the balls; less pressure reduction as the temperature lowers.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Doesn't MLB provide the baseballs? Why is that not the case for the NFL? Teams are allowed to condition footballs to their liking. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/sports/football/eli-mannings-footballs-are-months-in-making.html?_r=0&
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i have decided that bill ordered the footballs filled at 100 degrees F, which is completely legal according to the rules and fully explains everything go pats
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Jan 21, 2015 07:39
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QBs should try to rub sex lube on the football. The pine tar of football.
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Jan 21, 2015 07:39
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Don't the TV networks and the NFL have tons of cameras absolutely everywhere, especially during a Championship game? I'm sure there are uninterrupted views of the sidelines. Literally pick the ball boy out and watch his every movement for the entire first half. Start there you loving idiots. Now where's my paycheck?
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A Man and his dog posted:QBs should try to rub sex lube on the football. im sure some naturally secrete it anyway
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I think that, if the immediate reaction to your cheating is "Wait, what - that's a way you can cheat?", you should be allowed to get away with it. Under this provision, the first recorded usage of The Whizzinator and deer antler spray would have also been 100% above-board
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Don't the TV networks and the NFL have tons of cameras absolutely everywhere, especially during a Championship game? I'm sure there are uninterrupted views of the sidelines. Literally pick the ball boy out and watch his every movement for the entire first half. So I just watched the Patriots sideline from the start of the game through the pick. Ballboys weren't doing anything strange. (https://twitter.com/PP_Rich_Hill/status/557784455235248129?s=17) l
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evilweasel posted:pressure for an enclosed volume/mass like a football should vary linearly with temperature (in kelvins and absolute pressure) so you only need two data points to plot the temperature delta you'd need to get these results through just temperature changes Right, forgot about atmospheric pressure. So lets do the math: The adjusted PSI of the balls when the NFL tested them was 10.5+14.7 = 25.3 PSI at a temperature of 283° K (50° F). The balls need a pressure of 12.5+14.7=27.3 to pass inspection. Because P1/T1=P2/T2 (Gay-Lussac's law), we get 25.3/283=27.3/x, solve for x gives us 27.3/25.3*283=305.37 °K or 90°F.
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Why is this a thing
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nooneofconsequence posted:Rich Hill (@PP_Rich_Hill) tweeted at 1:19am - 21 Jan 15: How'd he have access to that footage?
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Mister Fister posted:How'd he have access to that footage? Belichick gave him his secret tapes.
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True and Real posted:Why is this a thing Because the world is good.
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Mister Fister posted:How'd he have access to that footage? Patriots coach was filming it from the stands
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Of course the ball boys would appear to be doing nothing weird since the geodesic prism they were using to deflate the balls magically bends light to render it invisible to the naked eye....
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Jan 21, 2015 07:56
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Assuming this poo poo is all real, how the hell do you exactly punish the Patriots? To me, it's like football's equivalent of corking a bat. Has an effect, but you can't really tell what it does.
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seiferguy posted:Assuming this poo poo is all real, how the hell do you exactly punish the Patriots? To me, it's like football's equivalent of corking a bat. Has an effect, but you can't really tell what it does. Probably fines and take away draft picks
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seiferguy posted:Assuming this poo poo is all real, how the hell do you exactly punish the Patriots? To me, it's like football's equivalent of corking a bat. Has an effect, but you can't really tell what it does. First you have to proof that they did it. Just having deflated balls is not enough for that as the balls were stamped "ok" by the refs. Unless they find literally a tape of a ballboy or player deflating the balls they can do poo poo about it.
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nooneofconsequence posted:Belichick gave him his secret tapes. Its a looped tape of the ballboys acting normal like keanu reeves
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seiferguy posted:Assuming this poo poo is all real, how the hell do you exactly punish the Patriots? To me, it's like football's equivalent of corking a bat. Has an effect, but you can't really tell what it does. Give the Seahawks Gronk. There is a strip club like a block away from Century Link so he'll never leave Seattle.
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seiferguy posted:Assuming this poo poo is all real, how the hell do you exactly punish the Patriots? To me, it's like football's equivalent of corking a bat. Has an effect, but you can't really tell what it does. It's obvious what it does--when it's raining and the ball is wet a deflated ball is much easier to grip It seems like there's definitely something going on here but come on, the NFL is going to pin it on some random Patriots intern and dock them a couple draft picks, announce loudly that Belichick and Kraft had nothing to do with it, and move on Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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Fines, Draft Picks and if it is some how proven that the team knew about it (It won't) a year suspension for Belichick.
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Billy Five-Aces strikes again. This is why I enjoy the Patriots, outside of Brady.
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get ready for phil simms to say "what a deflating loss for the patriots" if/when they lose The Big Game "
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Eric the Mauve posted:announce loudly that Belichick and Kraft had nothing to do with it Ignorance is not an excuse.
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some old hussy posted:Ignorance is not an excuse. What's funny is Goodell's press release will probably quote that verbatim in explaining why he's docking draft picks even though he insists Belichick had nothing to do with it Having to publicly announce that the coach of the newly crowned world champions--or hell, even just the AFC champions--was found to have cheated in the AFC Championship would be pretty horrible for the NFL PR department. They'd never admit it even if that were actually what happened
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the nfl has not seen the video of the alleged ball tampering. two week suspension incoming for belichick
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Does anyone have a source for the temperature in Foxboro, Mass at the end of the game. We know that it started at 51° F but it's reasonable to assume that it dropped a bit as the night went on?
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Guys we need Belichick to be suspended because it means Josh McDaniels interim head coach of the New England Patriots
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GaussianCopula posted:Does anyone have a source for the temperature in Foxboro, Mass at the end of the game. We know that it started at 51° F but it's reasonable to assume that it dropped a bit as the night went on? COnsidering that as far as we know, none of the Colt's balls were seen to be having problems, the weather probably isn't the factor
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Anaranjado posted:get ready for phil simms to say "what a deflating loss for the patriots" if/when they lose The Big Game If Belichick is suspended it will really neuter the Pats. 
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I'm certain if Belichick is suspended he will respect the league's decision and not find a way to be involved in the team's day to day planning and activities and the gameday decision making
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This is pretty absurd on its face but considering how competitive the NFL is I bet a quarterback can take advantage of a 2psi difference in a ball.
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Anaranjado posted:get ready for phil simms to say "what a deflating loss for the patriots" if/when they lose The Big Game This would be quite difficult to get ready for since the Super Bowl is gonna be on NBC. I mean, someone could be standing by Phil Simms with a microphone to receive his own personal input but fuuuuuuuuuck listening to Phil Simms any more than necessary. ...I just deflated the entire point of the joke, didn't I? My apologies.
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nooneofconsequence posted:Teams are allowed to condition footballs to their liking. oh my god this whole thing is so incredibly retarded, and at the same time i'm shocked-shocked-that the NFL hasn't figured out they could brand pre-treated footballs as PEYTON MANNING (c) APPROVED NFL "GAME DAY gently caress FACE" BALL
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Intruder posted:I'm certain if Belichick is suspended he will respect the league's decision and not find a way to be involved in the team's day to day planning and activities and the gameday decision making I'm sure there's some intern who would be willing to let Bill wear his skin as a disguise for a game
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The best part about this whole thing is that no matter what ineffective and useless measure Goodell comes up with to punish the Pats, this whole Belichick era is unavoidably tainted. You can yell, scream and cry or reasonably construct a defense as to why none of the cheating mattered, but the "What if" is now too big to fail.
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Bishop posted:This is pretty absurd on its face but considering how competitive the NFL is I bet a quarterback can tell a 2psi difference in a ball. Think about it, its like this in any competitive activity. Especially one in which special equipment/conditions can be customized to a specific person/team's liking. If you were a target shooter or an archer by trade. Wouldn't you want you gun or bow to customized your liking? Are you going to use some random persons gun/bow in a shooting competition? No, you are going to use your gun/bow that you shoot all the time that is customized and fitted specifically to you. Same thing with pool? Are you going to use your cue that you use all the time or would you use a random cue in a big competition? Same logic applies to this situation. If you throw footballs everyday. I'm sure you will find an optimal pressure and brushing that you like. Especially in certain climate conditions. The problem here is that these footballs weren't in the regulation limits of the NFL rules. It's something im sure Tom Brady knew was against the rules. Even if there were no scientific basis for the competitive advantage that a lower PSI ball helps grip (there is) it still is against the rules. They just got caught on that fine line of straddling the line and crossing it. This time they tip toed a bit to far. They broke the rules and as Tom said last week to Harbaugh, "Study the rule book". Maybe Tom studied it to well and knows that the punishment won't really be a punishment. Im sure every team/QB in this league has game balls fixed to their liking. As long as they are within the rules of the game that is fine. If there was not a rule specifically addressing PSI ranges then I would be fine with this. I would consider this a smart way to gain a competitive edge, even if it was only a mental edge. However, since it broke the rules and as a result any team that is abiding by the rules cannot use this tactic then it is cheating. If a DB noticed it instantly, there is no question that Tom Brady and his center wouldn't have noticed it. Maybe alot of teams switch to different PSI balls under certain conditions. Maybe it contributed a fraction of a percent to their win probability. Enough small edges and you suddenly have a large edge. Remember, Vegas was built on very small percentages. The result doesn't matter. Because when you committed the act you didn't know the result. pkay fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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