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People should probably stop buying stolen keys off of illegitimate keysites. Also anybody who thinks that Ubisoft can't figure out how to kill off keys linked to chargebacks is an idiot, they can track the transactions in question if there's a chargeback and see which keys are associated to that transaction. I mean I know the current thing to do w/r/t Ubisoft is hate them but come on, everybody knows that sites like intkeys aren't legitimate and that's part of the risk you take on buying keys from them.
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I envy people who say they never had a problem with Uplay. Between my download speeds going to poo poo for no reason, my downloads being corrupted when they are done that I have to redownload the whole game again and pray it doesn't corrupt again, being forced to download updates one at a time when you launch a game instead of downloading them as they're available in the background like Steam and Origin do it and the Ubisoft save cloud completely eating my save games, I'm honestly not surprised people just pirate Ubisoft's games. Their DRM just pisses so many paying customers off. People give Origin a lot of flack but at least Origin is actually pretty decent now. Uplay has been out for years and for years it's been nothing but dreadful.
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Jan 25, 2015 23:28
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Stumpalitious posted:People should probably stop buying stolen keys off of illegitimate keysites. Also anybody who thinks that Ubisoft can't figure out how to kill off keys linked to chargebacks is an idiot, they can track the transactions in question if there's a chargeback and see which keys are associated to that transaction. If the charge-backs are being done by a certain company en-masse, then it's Ubisoft's responsibility to target them, not the people who have unwittingly been sold stolen goods. As far as i understand the chargeback process, company x legally buys codes enmasse (via whatever means stolen card or no), sells the code on and then rebukes the charge on the card. The codes were initially bought in a standard purchasing process and sold on in a similar process, but then the company performed the fraudulent act of cancelling the CC charge to Ubisoft. At this point while IANAL, it sounds like the typical process would be for Ubisoft to take the company to court for fraud and sue them for damages. Instead, what they'd be doing by voiding all the keys sold on is making many other people the victims of fraud rather than just themselves which seems kind of not legal.
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Jan 26, 2015 00:18
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Kin posted:If the charge-backs are being done by a certain company en-masse, then it's Ubisoft's responsibility to target them, not the people who have unwittingly been sold stolen goods. They did target them. Those keys were disabled and it's now up to those companies to refund you. When you obtain stolen goods you need to give them back even if you aren't the one that stole them, that's how it works.
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Jan 26, 2015 00:28
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Kin posted:If the charge-backs are being done by a certain company en-masse, then it's Ubisoft's responsibility to target them, not the people who have unwittingly been sold stolen goods. You don't get to just keep stolen goods just because you weren't aware of the fact that they were stolen, this isn't legally strange in any way whatsoever. quote:At this point while IANAL, it sounds like the typical process would be for Ubisoft to take the company to court for fraud and sue them for damages. Instead, what they'd be doing by voiding all the keys sold on is making many other people the victims of fraud rather than just themselves which seems kind of not legal. The purchasers are ALREADY victims of fraud; the keys were not the sites' to sell legally and so they had no right to transfer the ownership over. Customers should try to get their money back from those sites in whatever way they can. Yeah, this sucks for people who bought those keys, but this is totally normal treatment for stolen goods. If you just let people keep the stolen keys, then all you're doing is training consumers to keep buying from shady places when they pop up because hey, what consequence is it to you? Dog Fat Man Chaser fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Jan 26, 2015 |
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Jan 26, 2015 00:34
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If I go buy a Ubisoft game and then chargeback it, I'd expect to have the licence revoked. I'd expect that for any game, on any platform. Because that is how it is with any game, on any platform. When a company does it, Ubisoft has the right to revoke the licence just as much as when I do it, and while it sucks for the customers, that is how life works. They can try and get a refund from whoever sold it to them, which is how it works when you, say, buy a game at a store and find out the registration code and find out it's used (which I've had happen in the last year twice, because people take them in the bathrooms and steal the keys, since nowadays you can just take a quick picture of the key and walk out, then put that key into steam and bam, redeemed you have a full digital copy) The difference is that they wont get a refund from these sites, most likely, because these are shady sites that are using stolen money and stealing from everyone involved. Edit: If I go to a pawn shop and buy a ring, and then a week later I get a phone call about how the ring was found out to be stolen property, I have to go and turn in the ring. I can then go and try to get my money back at the pawn shop, and 99.999% will get it no problem because of laws. If I buy a ring off a shady dude in a back alley, and then get arrested a week later because it turns out I'm in possession of stolen property, they will take the ring and I probably wont get a refund from the guy who sold it to me.
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Jan 26, 2015 00:56
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Darkhold posted:Yeah gently caress those poor countries targeted by regional pricing. Bunch of whiners. I mean unironically this. It's not like games never go on sale, the only thing that's being impacted is you not being able to play a game immediately on release, which isn't really that big of a concern. When something that's not a necessity is priced too high for you, the correct response is to not buy it until you can afford it (by them dropping the price).
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Jan 26, 2015 01:05
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lol if you side with ubisoft for any reason
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Jan 26, 2015 01:09
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lol if you pay for video games made by big studios
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Jan 26, 2015 01:16
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computer parts posted:I mean unironically this. It's not like games never go on sale, the only thing that's being impacted is you not being able to play a game immediately on release, which isn't really that big of a concern. Yeah gently caress wanting to enjoy something, necessities are all you need in life. Praise Ubisoft  Not all CD-key reseller sites are shady and there's nowhere else to get games when publishers go full retard with prices like in this case.  I've been buying games from these sites for the past 5 years and I've never had any issues.
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Jan 26, 2015 01:19
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hemale in pain posted:Not all sellers do this. Do people even have proof? I don't think GMG sell stolen keys. Buying keys in cheaper places and selling them for cheap here isn't illegal, costco does it for watches, so I'm baffled why people want to defend ubisoft. Why do so many people think GMG is a key reseller?
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Jan 26, 2015 02:05
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GMG is a cool and good site to buy games.
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Jan 26, 2015 02:26
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MacGyvers_Mullet posted:Why do so many people think GMG is a key reseller? Because there's no decent way of working out who is a key reseller and who isn't
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Jan 26, 2015 02:28
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LooKMaN posted:Yeah gently caress wanting to enjoy something, necessities are all you need in life. Praise Ubisoft Holy poo poo. Just because you can't afford something doesn't mean you're allowed to procure it through illegal means.
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Jan 26, 2015 02:31
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How is it illegal?
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Jan 26, 2015 02:34
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:How is it illegal? Because they are stolen or bought with stolen credit cards
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:lol if you side with ubisoft for any reason Un-l337-Pork posted:lol if you pay for video games made by big studios lol, frankly, just lol
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Jan 26, 2015 02:48
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VarXX posted:Because they are stolen or bought with stolen credit cards Proof? From my understanding if a friend of yours from across the pond gifted you the game then you still were cheated from ubisoft. Is this incorrect?
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Jan 26, 2015 02:52
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Proof? From my understanding if a friend of yours from across the pond gifted you the game then you still were cheated from ubisoft. Is this incorrect? Does UPlay even allow gifting? Steam banned cross-region gifting last year, and if UPlay has gifting then I'm sure they've done the same. Getting around it wouldn't necessarily be difficult, but you know you're doing something wrong at that point. For a long time a variety of products have been restricted from resale. You probably have several products in your house/apartment right now that say "not for resale" right on them. The concept is neither new nor exclusive to video games. The legality of it surely varies somewhat from region to region but I'm pretty sure it's on the level in most places. I'm all for hating on Ubisoft, but you have put in your head in the sand to deny that a lot key trading/reselling practices are obviously exploitative.
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Jan 26, 2015 02:58
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blackguy32 posted:Holy poo poo. Just because you can't afford something doesn't mean you're allowed to procure it through illegal means. You seem like an interesting guy with interesting opinions on topics that interest me and I would hear more of them
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Jan 26, 2015 03:01
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You can buy ubiplay keys from humble bundle and give it to a friend. If you are defending Ubisoft from taking away a game from peeps, you're a loving retard.
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Jan 26, 2015 03:04
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whats the lowest amount of money you need to spend on a game before its not stealing
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:You can buy ubiplay keys from humble bundle and give it to a friend. They aren't banning that, they're banning keys that were stolen and keys that had charge backs issued on them from sites like G2A, Intkeys and CDKeys.com
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:You can buy ubiplay keys from humble bundle and give it to a friend. Do you even know if they've banned for that kind of stuff? Or are you just making it up? They aren't being accused of revoking keys in any and all cases of gifting here. I really don't think humble bundle keys are in question, at least not outside of obvious cases of abuse like buying 100 bundles for the minimum contribution for resale. The humble bundle isn't really related to this issue and you're just throwing it out there because you're angry, ANGRY AT UBISOFT, and talking out your rear end as a result. Meme Poker Party fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Jan 26, 2015 |
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Jan 26, 2015 03:09
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Chomp8645 posted:Do you even know if they've banned for that kind of stuff? Or are you just making it up? They aren't being accused of revoking keys in any and all cases of gifting here. I really don't think humble bundle keys are in question, at least not outside of obvious cases of abuse like buying 100 bundles for the minimum contribution for resale. The humble bundle isn't really related to this issue and you're just throwing it out there because you're angry, ANGRY AT UBISOFT, and talking out your rear end as a result. virtualboyCOLOR posted:Proof? From my understanding if a friend of yours from across the pond gifted you the game then you still were cheated from ubisoft. Is this incorrect?
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You can't gift games on Uplay. These bans are strictly G2A and other key sites. That's literally what everyone is up in arms about. You can still buy games cheap off nuuvem, Greenman, etc. but if you buy from one of the sites hosted in China that will buy cd keys off anyone who offers them, there's a good chance one of them is going to be stolen.
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VarXX posted:So that makes stealing okay then you wouldnt poo poo in a urinal
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Proof? From my understanding if a friend of yours from across the pond gifted you the game then you still were cheated from ubisoft. Is this incorrect? Your understanding is incorrect. Gifted games are nowhere near the same as a retailer buying and selling stolen cd-keys, and Ubisoft isn't doing a thing about gifted games.
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Jan 26, 2015 03:18
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blackguy32 posted:Holy poo poo. Just because you can't afford something doesn't mean you're allowed to procure it through illegal means. It's not 2004, CD key store doesn't equal stolen/fraudulent keys. Keys are sourced from distributors or retail boxes from regions where the games are sold cheaper. None of the reputable stores like G2A sell stolen keys. G2A works like Amazon, they sell their own cdkeys but also allow for users to sell their own alongside. I don't doubt the keys sold by users can be from questionable sources but the ones sold by G2A have always been fine.
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Jan 26, 2015 03:20
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me and some friends downloaded faces of death off bearshare in the computer lab when i was in high school i admit, im a villain
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Jan 26, 2015 03:21
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Schubalts posted:Your understanding is incorrect. Gifted games are nowhere near the same as a retailer buying and selling stolen cd-keys, and Ubisoft isn't doing a thing about gifted games. Has Ubisoft released a statement saying they are only banning keys that were bought with stolen cards?
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Has Ubisoft released a statement saying they are only banning keys that were bought with stolen cards? Holy poo poo, what did Ubisoft do to you man? Look I'm sorry the latest Asscreed wasn't good. Just move on dude.
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Jan 26, 2015 03:25
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Has Ubisoft released a statement saying they are only banning keys that were bought with stolen cards? That would be the only way they'd know if they were stolen or not considering they don't distribute keys to G2A and would have no way of knowing which ones were given to G2A or not without chargebacks being issued, and everyone who has mentioned having games removed has said they purchased from either G2A or Intkeys and the like VarXX fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Jan 26, 2015 |
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Jan 26, 2015 03:25
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Da comrade, is perfectly legal That will be 30 british europounds for this game that was releasing 2 days ago You can trust your old friend Boris, hohohohoho
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I don't understand where this belief of Ubisoft banning all kinds of stuff from all over from legitimate sources come from. Ubisoft is doing one of two things - banning any copy of a game that they have a record of being chargebacked, or banning any copy of a game on a US account that uses a russian/whatever the cheapest version is. If it's the latter it sucks but it's to be expected, Steam doesn't even let you buy russian versions of games and put them on your US account. Terrible of them to do it without warning to customers who already bought it awhile ago. If it's the former, that's their right, and the people who bought those keys were unfortunately defrauded by the company that sold it to them, be it G2A or whatever.
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Why do people keep saying Ubisoft is within their right to revoke illegitimately paid copies of their games? In the US you could buy a game from Ubisoft's website itself and they could disable it 10 minutes later and it would be "within their rights."
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koolkal posted:Why do people keep saying Ubisoft is within their right to revoke illegitimately paid copies of their games? In the US you could buy a game from Ubisoft's website itself and they could disable it 10 minutes later and it would be "within their rights." You have to return stolen goods
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koolkal posted:Why do people keep saying Ubisoft is within their right to revoke illegitimately paid copies of their games? In the US you could buy a game from Ubisoft's website itself and they could disable it 10 minutes later and it would be "within their rights." Because if I walk up to a dude on the street who offers to sell me the new IPhone for 20 bucks, and then later it turns out that it's stolen property, my stolen property is taken back. Why is that hard to understand.
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VarXX posted:You can't gift games on Uplay. You're illiterate. Chomp8645 posted:Holy poo poo, what did Ubisoft do to you man? You're a retard. VarXX posted:That would be the only way they'd know if they were stolen or not considering they don't distribute keys to G2A and would have no way of knowing which ones were given to G2A or not without chargebacks being issued, and everyone who has mentioned having games removed has said they purchased from either G2A or bought a GPU voucher off ebay. At this point in time Ubisoft is accused of removing games that were purchased from other countries than where they were activated. I have not seen anything stating stolen keys were being removed, but I could have missed this. Were the GPU vouchers stolen?
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:I have not seen anything stating stolen keys were being removed, but I could have missed this. You're illiterate.
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