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The Rock has a 7.4 rating on IMDB and Con Air only 6.8. Clearly the rock is better as imdb is never wrong
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Hobohemian posted:Didn't he go Hulk Hogan and do one where he was a nanny? You're thinking of Vin Diesel in The Pacifier. The Rock was the Tooth Fairy The Rock remake staring The Rock as the SAS dude and Vin as the lab chemist make it happen hollywood. Liam Nieson to be the bad guy commander
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Jan 28, 2015 22:29
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The question really comes down to which movie has the better sidekick. The Rock has either Sean Connery or Nic Cage, depending on which was you look at it. Con air has John Cusak.
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Jan 28, 2015 22:34
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hmmmm. the rock is pretty drat gay... but so is con air. I chose white devils
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fyodor posted:con air you idiot edit: cyrus the virus, swamp thing, diamond dog, garland greene, pinball, johnny 23, sally can't dance, etc con air has more character pod6isjerks fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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Jan 28, 2015 22:38
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Pneub posted:The question really comes down to which movie has the better sidekick. The Rock has either Sean Connery or Nic Cage, depending on which was you look at it. and Colm Meaney! (The Rock is still better)
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Jan 28, 2015 22:41
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pod6isjerks posted:edit: cyrus the virus, swamp thing, diamond dog, garland greene, pinball, johnny 23, sally can't dance, etc All of it overshadowed by Cage's accent. I am not saying that is a good thing or a bad thing.
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Jan 28, 2015 22:50
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WhyteRyce posted:Cage's accent ... good thing "put the bunny back in the box" wouldn't be the same without it
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Jan 28, 2015 23:11
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The Rock's opening is the most America thing and is very well done. But Con Air has Buscemi as Garland Greene so it has my vote. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AAd5bWeAok
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Jan 28, 2015 23:53
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Ugly In The Morning posted:That would be amazing. I don't think I've seen any movies that The Rock wasn't great in. I mean, he's been in some absolute poo poo movies, but he's pretty much always the best part of those lovely movies. While I believe you that Duane Johnson has RonPearlmans's disease, I find it hard to give a gently caress because of wresteling.
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Jan 29, 2015 00:05
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Hobohemian posted:It was just on TV and I can say without hesitation that it is completely poo poo in comparison. What. The. gently caress.
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Jan 29, 2015 00:13
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Hobohemian posted:It was just on TV and I can say without hesitation that it is completely poo poo in comparison. Any movie that has a 16" gun blowing a submarine to Mars cannot be a bad movie. 16" guns at least get you to 3 stars. Under Seige is quite good. Voting Con Air.
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Jan 29, 2015 00:35
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Honestly the best metric when judging movies is this: Does the film have M.C. Gainey? If the answer is no, then you know it won't be the best of movie. Also, the whole "JULY FOURTEENTH" thing just gets my sides hurting everytime the way Malkovich delivers this entire scene... "NO THAT'S CLEVER!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MMD6k6Pnnw
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Jan 29, 2015 00:39
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FogHelmut posted:Its Face /Off, op
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Jan 29, 2015 00:48
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"I'll take pleasure in guttin' you, boy!" The Rock is far superior. It has a Ferrari chasing a Hummer through San Francisco, for God's sake. Ed Harris is a great crazy-but-understandable antagonist, and that scene where they steal the VX gas is loving dope.
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Jan 29, 2015 01:09
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wow looks like the Rock is pulling ahead. My main criticism of the rock is that it has too many diversions..the main plot kinda drags along. Con Air is straight and to the point in comparison.
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Jan 29, 2015 02:10
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i love that part where they have to leave the guy behind to die horribly of VX gas it (a) introduces the magnitude of the weapon they've stolen (b) establishes the stakes (c) shows immediately that while criminal, Ed Harris is ultimately sympathetic and (d) makes for an incredible prologue
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Jan 29, 2015 02:12
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Harald posted:wow looks like the Rock is pulling ahead. My main criticism of the rock is that it has too many diversions..the main plot kinda drags along. Con Air is straight and to the point in comparison. I'm like a 100% certain you don't know which movie's which.
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Jan 29, 2015 02:16
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there is one notable digression in the rock, which is the car chase --> mason's daughter, but that's meant to sympathize what would otherwise be an inhuman character... it also shows what a dangerous badass with a heart of gold he is, so when he risks his life to save his daughter/our hero/san fran/the world, it doesn't come out of the blue it's a necessary detour, but it does take us a bit out of the way and occupy some 25 minutes during the rising action; it's quite an interruption of the pacing
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Jan 29, 2015 02:22
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nomadologique posted:there is one notable digression in the rock, which is the car chase --> mason's daughter, but that's meant to sympathize what would otherwise be an inhuman character... it also shows what a dangerous badass with a heart of gold he is, so when he risks his life to save his daughter/our hero/san fran/the world, it doesn't come out of the blue
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Jan 29, 2015 02:29
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Con Air seems like it tried to have some imagination and sense of humor, The Rock is just explosions and slow-mo. I could see myself rewatching Con Air.
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Jan 29, 2015 02:35
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for a movie called the rock, it does take a while to get to the rock. which is why they give you the line "welcome to the rock." for the audience = "welcome to the pay-off." the movie really rolls from there. so it has super long first and second acts, and then acts 3-5 just come galloping along.
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Jan 29, 2015 02:41
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Bread Dragon posted:Con Air seems like it tried to have some imagination and sense of humor, The Rock is just explosions and slow-mo. I could see myself rewatching Con Air. the rock has tons of humor, mostly between cage and connery and somewhat between connery and the FBI chief guy womack. there's also the slapstick sidekick in the beginning of the film, cage's chemistry buddy.
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Jan 29, 2015 02:42
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Jan 29, 2015 02:43
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the greatness of con air doesn't need any lame rear end description to tell you why its great ^^
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Jan 29, 2015 02:43
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Con Air is in that Armageddon-tier of best worst movies.
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Jan 29, 2015 02:48
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The Rock has the shower scene though, which is an all-time classic
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Jan 29, 2015 02:49
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i've grown to love armageddon more and more with every passing year.
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Jan 29, 2015 02:52
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Also, The Rock is kind of dissonant. Sean Connery and Ed Harris are both characters who get poo poo on because America likes keeping its dirty little secrets. Except one of them gets a redemptive story arc and the other doesn't.
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Jan 29, 2015 03:03
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Harald posted:Also, The Rock is kind of dissonant. Sean Connery and Ed Harris are both characters who get poo poo on because America likes keeping its dirty little secrets. Except one of them gets a redemptive story arc and the other doesn't. Ed Harris' redemption story was ongoing until cruelly ended by Cage and Connery Only one of those old dudes could get redemption
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Jan 29, 2015 03:04
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they both have redemptive story arcs, ed harris stands down and is shot to death by the bad bad guys, he dies for what is "right" even after creating the situation in the first place
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Jan 29, 2015 03:21
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Being successful in blackmailing the US Government would have redeemed Harris, actually (we all agree that the government is the villain in this movie, yes?). If Connery and Cage didn't kill his men then he probably would've done it. Instead, he pussed out after seeing some guys die. e: This is why Con Air is superior. It actively tries to escalate the situation at every opportunity
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Jan 29, 2015 03:25
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nomadologique posted:they both have redemptive story arcs, ed harris stands down and is shot to death by the bad bad guys, he dies for what is "right" even after creating the situation in the first place This. Also, can't we all agree that Con Air and The Rock are both awesome?
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Jan 29, 2015 04:09
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Dead Precedents posted:This. Everyone already agreed to that. This thread is about which one is more awesome. Also, this thread is tangentially about how Under Siege is mediocre at best and anyone who thinks otherwise is a big wrong dumb gay baby.
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Jan 29, 2015 04:13
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old dog child posted:Being successful in blackmailing the US Government would have redeemed Harris, actually (we all agree that the government is the villain in this movie, yes?) The united state does not negotiate with terrorists. It's been our principle for 25 years. You can't give in to them now.
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Jan 29, 2015 04:14
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old dog child posted:Being successful in blackmailing the US Government would have redeemed Harris, actually (we all agree that the government is the villain in this movie, yes?). If Connery and Cage didn't kill his men then he probably would've done it. Instead, he pussed out after seeing some guys die. No, the government only got ballsy once thermite plasma came on board. A lab rat and a convict running around didn't embolden the president. As Harris said, he was bluffing and the government called it. His plan went no deeper than that. Why was Connery in the middle of bum gently caress Iowa when he decided to hide his evidence? I'm assuming wherever he stole it from was on the East coast, why would he then go deeper into the country he was trying to escape.
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Jan 29, 2015 04:15
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WhyteRyce posted:No, the government only got ballsy once thermite plasma came on board. A lab rat and a convict running around didn't embolden the president. As Harris said, he was bluffing and the government called it. His plan went no deeper than that. what the gently caress are you talking about? I am talking about Harris. He bitched out because he his guys died. pussy basically saw blood and feinted 3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Jan 29, 2015 04:26
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old dog child posted:what the gently caress are you talking about? I am talking about Harris. He bitched out because he saw his guys die. pussy basically saw blood and feinted He was never going to launch any missiles or go through with his plan, he said as much. The only reason he fired off that one was because he didn't realize he brought on a couple of greedy mercs who would pressure him into doing it.
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Jan 29, 2015 04:35
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WhyteRyce posted:He was never going to launch any missiles or go through with his plan, he said as much. The only reason he fired off that one was because he didn't realize he brought on a couple of greedy mercs who would pressure him into doing it. Yeah, I know. He said it after everyone got killed. I'm saying he was lying about his change of heart because there's no way he would've been like "lol jk" if nobody was assaulting Alcatraz and the time ran out poo poo got real and he couldn't man up and finish the job
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