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Invade the Sheliak. You can trust my advice. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Jan 31, 2015 04:36
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Don't think of it as an invasion. It's more like getting a refund on our investment...by force.
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Jan 31, 2015 04:39
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I think those Expansion Fund Trustees are on to something. After all, knowledge is profit.
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Jan 31, 2015 05:11
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Well poo poo. The Romulans are practically on top of us. With their superior diplomatic skills they can steal minors from us. We will be competing for territory heavily too. With their cloaked ships and intelligence this will get nasty. Top it off the Sheliak did what they always do if you don't flood them with bribes. As I recall the Zakdorn's building is nice, so we need to get them before the Romulans. ___________ I support the Expansion Fund Trustees. Grand Nagus, I offer Rules of Acquisition 3, 20, 23, 38, 65, 109, 121, 177, 199, and 257. 3 "Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to." 38 "Never get into anything that you can't get out of." 257 "When the messenger comes to appropriate your profits, kill the messenger." We've already thrown enough money at this disaster. Building an invasion fleet is simply wasting even more in exchange for a population that doesn't want our products. We should refocus our efforts on other markets. 20 "He who dives under the table today lives to profit tomorrow." 199 "Location, location, location." However we shouldn't ignore the threat these fools present. A small defensive force is a good precaution not only against the Sheliak but the Romulans who seem eager to expand and don't appear to have the same ears for business we have. 23 "Nothing is more important than your health...except for your money." Again overspending for an invasion fleet doesn't bring us profits. The Sheliak might attack but without troop transports they cannot invade. 121 "Everything is for sale - even friendship." 177 "Know your enemies... but do business with them always." We should endeavor to make peace with the Sheliak as soon as possible, maybe even with a small bribe. Groveling might be in order. 109 "Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack." As I said, groveling might be in order. 65 "Win or lose, there's always Hupyrian beetle snuff." Keep the snuff box close, though, in case I'm wrong __________ To sum up, build a defense force, sue for peace pronto, and make connections with the Zakdorn. Cartheon fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Jan 31, 2015 05:21
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fade5 posted:My, things have changed rapidly, haven't they? Aren't you all glad we didn't invest in the Bolians, since now all these fresh, new, and much more profitable opportunities available now? Instead y'all wasted a thousand tons of Latinum. Which the Sheliak immediately used to build a fleet with. Hardly what I'd call a profitable exchange. The contracts for ship parts didn't even go to Ferengi traders. Commerce Authority. again garners my support. Rule of Aquisition #45 states: Expand or Die.
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Jan 31, 2015 05:48
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Veloxyll posted:Instead y'all wasted a thousand tons of Latinum. Which the Sheliak immediately used to build a fleet with. Hardly what I'd call a profitable exchange. The contracts for ship parts didn't even go to Ferengi traders. Rule of Acquisition #39: "Only a fool passes up a business opportunity." The Grand Nagus, wise as he is, did not pursue the new market fervently enough, likely due to those in this august body who cautioned against it. Obviously the Sheliak do not yet enjoy our goods enough yet. Had more devoted efforts been applied, we would not be in this mess. __________ You have to go all-out with the Sheliak and dump money into them every turn. Half-assing it doesn't work, and they almost always declare war on the first major species they come across, if you they don't get them to neutral fast. At this point, it's crush them or see if we can sue for peace. I almost always crush them, so I'm curious if a diplomatic option is possible.
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Jan 31, 2015 06:03
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fade5 posted:My, things have changed rapidly, haven't they? Aren't you all glad we didn't invest in the Bolians, since now all these fresh, new, and much more profitable opportunities available now? Aye, let them make an overture for a hostile takeover, and we will swat them down. Once that is done, our new trade partners will have been able to get us the venture capital needed to deal with them. Expansion Fund Trustees.
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Jan 31, 2015 06:39
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Cartheon posted:Rule of Acquisition #39: "Only a fool passes up a business opportunity." I had forgotten how aggressive they were. We likely never had a chance. We are not making enough money at this point to keep up the credits needed. I was playing another game to refamiliarize myself with combat as the Klingons and the Sheliak ended up on the border of me, the Romulans, and the Ferengi. In 3 turns they declared war on each of us in turn. They're crazy whatever they are.
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Jan 31, 2015 06:55
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Xenocides posted:I had forgotten how aggressive they were. We likely never had a chance. We are not making enough money at this point to keep up the credits needed. As long as you give them the minimum amount of money every turn, they tend not to declare war, and you can gradually get them to neutral. But, yes, they are crazy aggressive, and they will use those ships to destroy ours, so we at least have to take out their warships. If we're clever, we might be able to coax the Romulans into a war with them. 69 "Ferengi are not responsible for the stupidity of other races." 200 "A Ferengi chooses no side but his own" I kind of hoped getting the Romulans to declare war against them would be one of the options.
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Jan 31, 2015 07:18
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Commerce Authority. We'll have early warning if the Sheliak get serious, let's not waste more money on them til its absolutely necessary. Beaten to this like a Romulan consort.
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Jan 31, 2015 07:43
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Expansion Fund Trustees I don't have anything witty or intelligent to add Aces High fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Jan 31, 2015 08:11
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Expansion Fund Trustees. Rule of Acquisition 203: New customers are like razor-toothed gree-worms. They can be succulent, but sometimes they bite back.
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Jan 31, 2015 08:50
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Aggressive Growth Stock Holders Rule of acquisition number 232: A Ferengi always makes a return on his investment. I was a little sour that we aren't playing Cardasians, had I seen this thread sooner I know where my vote would have gone, but you write a great Grand Nagus so this might be for the best. I'd love to see a someone make a collection of all the rules of acquisition that get made up during this thread.
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Jan 31, 2015 09:18
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Jan 31, 2015 09:42
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CheeseThief posted:I'd love to see a someone make a collection of all the rules of acquisition that get made up during this thread. When I write my updates I keep a copy of the Rules of Acquisition open and I may have forgotten one or two but I do not remember seeing a made-up one yet.
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Jan 31, 2015 10:02
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Cartheon posted:I kind of hoped getting the Romulans to declare war against them would be one of the options. I doubt this is going to happen and I do not think we could make it happen. The Romulans signed a non-aggression pact right off which means they cannot go through our space and there is a big chunk of our space between the Sheliak and the Romulans. I am almost certain they have not made diplomatic contact and may never do so.
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Jan 31, 2015 10:06
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I'm backing the Expansion Fund Trustees this time - somebody out there's bound to want all this Bolian porn, and I have a feeling the Zakdorn might just be it! And we really need the Zakdorn building since we're the Ferengi.
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Jan 31, 2015 10:25
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inflatablefish posted:And we really need the Zakdorn building since we're the Ferengi. I agree. Current Standings: Expansion Fund Trustees - 6 Aggressive Growth Stock Holders - 5 Commerce Authority - 3
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Jan 31, 2015 17:38
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Expansion Fund Trustees carry the day. I will start work on next update.
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Jan 31, 2015 19:44
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quote:What the hell? Romulans are their biggest enemy in the franchise? This is TNG-era, where the two are in a peace treaty and even some tech-sharing. It doesn't help that this is early in the franchise and they only had the license for TNG specifically. The Cardassians are in effectively by loophole-they're mostly DS9, but they DID turn up via TNG, so they're here. Note-half of this is hearsay. Bloodly fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Jan 31, 2015 20:15
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We meet Stupid People, Sex-Fiends, and their god and Tensions Mount (Turn 32-70)  Our wise investors have realized that the war with the Sheliak is a cause for celebration. Turn 34  Our Colony ship is finished and will begin terraforming Styris. Another breakthrough, this should increase production.  Finally, upgraded machining guilds will dramatically increase production. We will pay to upgrade the machining guilds and then begin work on a troop transport to build a commerce and defense platform around Ferenginar. Then we can run up our customs fees. We will begin plying the Zakdorn with bribes as soon as the machining guilds are finished. Turn 38 Our machining guilds are completed. Now to deal with the Zakdorn. The troop transport begins construction and the reclusive Romulans demand a bribe.  This is ridiculous. If anything they owe us for increasing commerce along the border. We will offer them a treaty of friendship. Friends are easier to exploit.  Our industrious Explorer ships has found a planet orbited by some strange creature. We will make contact. Even entities need latinum. Turn 39 It's huge.  We talk to it and convince it that we are here to help their children find happiness. They appear to have strict laws on this planet but live lives of hedonism consisting of physical activity, eroticism, and joy. Leisure enjoyers need things to enjoy.  One of our young Ferengi on the ship was executed for disturbing a flowerbed but other then that first contact went well. Turn 40 The Romulans reject our Friendship proposal. We send a Friendship proposal to the Edo. Turn 41 Another Breakthrough. A Franchise Office will massively increase our wealth. It must be constructed quickly.  Franchise Office is a special Ferengi-only building that can only be built on the capital and provides you with five trade routes. As soon as the Troop Transport is finished next turn we will build one as quickly as possible. Turn 42 The Edo reject our magnanimous proposal. We will have to start bribing them. They have never experienced the pleasures of gambling and they would make ideal Dabo girls. We should start with casinos.  We make contact with a new species.  They appear to be morons and are obsessed with making their ships go.  They are also already affiliated with the Romulans. Outpost construction begins on Ferenginar and we can now colonize Triacus as terraforming is finished. Turn 44  We meet the Benzites by dipping into a hole in Romulan space. They have no relationship with the Romulan Empire at present. We also detected a Pakled transport. Probably a bucket of bolts. The Romulans are constructing a border station on Delos.  We will try for friendship with the Benzites. The Explorer ship has explored almost everything in reach. It will be sent to the far side of Romulan space and then map our border and peek over the edge of our range. Future opportunities for profit may be found. Turn 46 Our treaty with the Romulans has lapsed and attempts to renew have not been successful.  They are now disputing ownership of the sectors between Delos and Triacus. Space that is clearly and historically Ferengi territory!  One of their scouts arrived at Beltane cloaked and then immediately withdrew when they saw our outpost. Hopefully further hostilities will not develop. Turn 49 Apparently the Romulans have learned the folly of testing our borders and have offered another non-aggression pact which we accept.  The Benzites have agreed to friendship and we will now press them for affiliation, offering to protect them from the Romulans. Turn 53 We finally complete the Franchise Office on Ferenginar using the entire treasury.  The web of Ferengi commerce grows. We begin working on light raiders to deal with any incursions by the Sheliak and will now put the entire treasury towards bringing in the Zakdorn. Turn 60 Terraforming of Styris is completed and the planet is colonized. More new markets! The Romulans have issued more demands for money which we have ignored. Look at all the commerce we are generating for them. They probably did not even know what root grubs were before we started selling this delicacy on Romulas. The Zakdorn are no longer uncooperative and we are making headway. More Bolian porn for the Zakdorn. I LOVE POETRY! HeHeHe. Turn 70 We have secured Friendship agreements with the Edo and the Zakdorn. The Romulans have terminated their Non-Aggression Pact and the situation is entering a cold war despite all the wonderful things we are selling them. Romulan merchants are slandering us with accusations of unfair business practices.  One light raider has been finished and another is almost complete.  The Romulans are trying to court the Benzites and the Edo and have also secured Friendship pacts. The Pakleds have joined the Romulan Empire. The Sheliak have been hard at work building orbital defense systems. While we can challenge their fleet planetary assault would be costly unless we construct larger ships. Fortunately the Romulans still have no contact with the Bolians. Our franchise office has paid off, almost doubling our profits. ________________________________________________________________________________________ So Daimons, your advice Expansion Fund Trustees: While we should continue to court the Benzites while spending nothing in hopes of getting Affiliation status too much work there will antagonize the Romulans unnecessarily. Instead we must bring the Edo into Affiliation status followed by the Zakdorn before the Romulans can do so. All funds must move to this end. The fleet must continue to be built up and once the fleet is large enough used to destroy the Sheliak's fleet and then moved to Beltane to protect the border. Aggressive Growth Stock Holders: Preparation for a potential war with the Romulans is paramount. The Benzites must be brought into Affiliation and an outpost placed around Benzar along with the fleet to show the Romulans not to try anything with a dagger pointed directly towards Romulus. Commerce Authority: Focus diplomatic efforts on the Zakdorn. The Edo may be lost in any case. If the Zakdorn are affiliated then we can try for the Edo. Too much emphasis on the Romulan border is unwise. Once the second raider is built we should build a troop transport and build an outpost over Styris to expand our explorations to the east.
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Jan 31, 2015 21:06
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When you gain control of a neutral, all it's ships and starbases come with it.(This can be a decent reason to help neutrals with terraforming and the like; it's good for relations and helps them grow, which you'll take. Neutrals grow in a very weird way, completely unlike how the player factions do). WE WANT THE GUARDIAN OF EDO. For the prestige of it if nothing else. Expansion Fund, if you please. Oh, while we're at it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UcYnd377WE Ferengi opening cutscene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YcCDYwG4og Ferengi Strategic Screen music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WtlrR--XcQ Ferengi Battle screen music. Bloodly fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Jan 31, 2015 21:15
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Bloodly posted:When you gain control of a neutral, all it's ships and starbases come with it.(This can be a decent reason to help neutrals with terraforming and the like; it's good for relations and helps them grow, which you'll take. Neutrals grow in a very weird way, completely unlike how the player factions do). The Guardian of Edo does not join. Special defenders like the Guardian disappear once the Edo join an empire. The Benzites are preferable to the Edo for their bonus building, but the Edo are good too. Cartheon fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Jan 31, 2015 21:18
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Expansion Fund Trustees. It appears that we have an opportunity to secure lasting profits in Edo markets- we should hardly throw away this chance at a whim!
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Jan 31, 2015 21:21
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Cartheon posted:The Guardian of Edo does not join. Special defenders like the Guardian disappear once the Edo join an empire. Unless it has changed since last time I had the game installed the Guardian of Edo stays. It is non-hostile if you are affiliated with or have the Edo as members. If someone attacks they have to fight both you and the Edo Guardian. After the enemy is driven off or destroyed you have to open hailing frequencies to end the fight and the Edo Guardian just sits there. The Guardian can be destroyed but it would take more firepower then we can summon up right now or for some time in the future. We would need bigger boats.
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Jan 31, 2015 21:26
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nweismuller posted:Expansion Fund Trustees. It appears that we have an opportunity to secure lasting profits in Edo markets- we should hardly throw away this chance at a whim! Agreed!
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Jan 31, 2015 21:34
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Xenocides posted:Unless it has changed since last time I had the game installed the Guardian of Edo stays. It is non-hostile if you are affiliated with or have the Edo as members. If someone attacks they have to fight both you and the Edo Guardian. After the enemy is driven off or destroyed you have to open hailing frequencies to end the fight and the Edo Guardian just sits there. I must be playing a patched version or something, because it always poofed for me. I distinctly remember being disappointed that I don't get to keep the Edo Guardian to defend that planet. __________ I give my support to Commerce Authority, and urge my fellow Commissioners to do the same. 37 "The early investor reaps the most interest." We have already begun setting up markets on the Zakdorn. Stopping such efforts to focus on markets already being tapped by the Romulans on the chance of earning a profit is a fool's errand. 272 "Always inspect the merchandise before making a deal. Grand Nagus, my fellow commissioners, I have been researching these markets, and the Zakdorn present an opportunity for improving our ability to defend our markets. The Benzites also present an opportunity to improve our production capabilities, while the Edo will only give us beautiful Dabo girls. Some of you may cite, 55 "Take joy from profit, and profit from joy." Now, gorgeous Edo women serving as Dabo girls would certainly be a wonderful commodity to have. I should know, as I have already hired 12 for my private...Dabo table. However, 229 "Latinum lasts longer than lust." We must keep our eyes on the areas that ensure greater profits - better production and a means of protecting that production. 43 "Feed your greed, but not enough to choke it." Honestly, all of these markets would be wonderful to control, but we can't overextend ourselves in the face of a duplicitous rival as the Romulans, and our war with the hideous Sheliak continues. We must focus ourselves in areas we are assured of gaining for now. 242 "More is good...all is better." Still, we shouldn't completely surrender our economic opportunities with the Bedo and Benzites. Continuing relations with them is advised, just as long as it doesn't take our focus from the Zakdorn. 87 "Learn the customer's weaknesses, so that you can better take advantage of him. Though, if we can steal the Benzites from the Romulans, that would be preferable. Their higher productivity and the fact that they are in the middle of Romulan territory will serve as a thorn in the Romulans' sides for generations. 21 "Never place friendship before profit." 16 "A deal is a deal (is a deal)...until a better one comes along." 17 "A contract is a contract is a contract... but only between Ferengi." Or, if the Romulans become aggressive, we can appease them by giving them the Benzite homeworld. __________ The Benzites have a better bonus than the Edo do, and the Zakdorn's is really important for the Ferengi. The one benefit the Edo have is that their bonus is empire wide, and the Benzites is restricted to just their planet. If we don't intend to use the Benzite homeworld as ship construction world that can strike Romulus easily, then go the Edo instead. Cartheon fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Jan 31, 2015 21:38
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Out of curiousity, would it be possible to get general statements of investment principles behind each of the three factions of investors we have? I have started to draw some conclusions from context, but would be interested to hear what they each consider their overall guiding philosophy behind investment decisions.
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Jan 31, 2015 21:42
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Xenocides posted:
 (It was surprisingly difficult to find an image with anything worse than 'dull surprise'.)
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Jan 31, 2015 21:42
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FredMSloniker posted:
It's a shame he didn't end up like our young Ferengi ensign did.
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Jan 31, 2015 21:53
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Cartheon posted:I must be playing a patched version or something, because it always poofed for me. I distinctly remember being disappointed that I don't get to keep the Edo Guardian to defend that planet. Or a mod. Seconding having BotF and keeping the Edo Guardian by recruiting the Edo - it's impervious to anything the AI is likely to throw at it, so Edo is usually a safe system to heavily build up no matter where it is.
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Jan 31, 2015 21:55
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Wasn't dumb planet cultures in the 99 rules forDS9 list that's been around since the 90's? A Ferengi so delinquent in his market research would never garner profit anyway. Expansion.
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Jan 31, 2015 22:04
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nweismuller posted:Expansion Fund Trustees. It appears that we have an opportunity to secure lasting profits in Edo markets- we should hardly throw away this chance at a whim! I had heard rumors the flagship of the Federation threw away lucrative opportunities on Edo for a single member of their crew (who by all accounts was rather disliked by others). They truly have no lobes for business. -- I love the immediate Wesley hate as soon as Edo came up. 
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Jan 31, 2015 23:08
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I have to side with Expansion Fund Trustees this time. While I sympathize with the Aggressive Stock Holders for wanting to focus on preparing for war with the Romulans, I don't think it's a war we could win in any event. Better to expand our power base and hope war can be averted.
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Feb 1, 2015 03:45
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Aggressive The Sheliak are a distraction. The Romulans are a major threat, and we may only have until the end of the current NAP to get ready for them. Start building now!
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Feb 1, 2015 05:38
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Expansion. We must expand to the point of total market saturation, and become indispensable. The Sheliak are too close to the franchise home office, and must be dealt with one way or another. Let no one say we didn't give them every opportunity for a mutually profitable relationship. My justifications are as follows: Rule 34: War is good for business. Rule 45: Expand or die. Rule 95: Expand or die. Rule 125: You can't make a deal if you're dead. Rule 105: Expand or die. Rule 209: Expand or die. (Also, when did they stop saying gold-pressed latinum? Isn't that the standardized money form of latinum? I've not seen any Star Trek in about 10 years or so.)
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Expansion. We must expand to the point of total market saturation, and become indispensable. Describing it as Latinum is just shorthand for Gold Pressed Latinum. The Expansion Fund Trustees have the most profitable solution. To avert a war with Romulus, we must show them the truth of the universe - Trade with Ferenginar is more valuable than war. The fact that this will make us all nearly as rich as The Nagus is just a fortuitous coincidence.
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nweismuller posted:Out of curiousity, would it be possible to get general statements of investment principles behind each of the three factions of investors we have? I have started to draw some conclusions from context, but would be interested to hear what they each consider their overall guiding philosophy behind investment decisions. Here is how I picture the factions when I write up their choices. It has evolved a bit since I started. Note that all groups are part of the Ferengi Aristocracy and are pretty wealthy. Expansion Fund Trustees: These are the "New Money" Ferengi who have made good but need more opportunities to truly cement themselves firmly into a position of setting up permanent avenues of profit. They made enough to get into the elite but need more to ensure they stay there. For this reason they want to open new markets and expand vigorously so that they can find new chances for profit not already controlled by others within the Ferengi Alliance. When Intelligence becomes more then just a hobby they will also be heavily into espionage to figure out what is going on to find new opportunities. If Quark were more wealthy he would probably be in this group. Aggressive Growth Stock Holders: These are the Ferengi that belong in a TNG episode before they became more comic in DS9. They are more overtly criminal and include many Daimon ship captains engaged in violent activities like piracy, raiding, and theft to make profit. The Daimon who tried to steal the Enterprise in TNG to sell it to the Romulans is a prime example of who I picture. They are not averse to conflict and while they are not overtly pro-war later they will be in favor of raiding enemy empires to steal credits, sabotage operations to acquire wealth and technology, and a strong military to cow those who would get annoyed at such tactics. Commerce Authority: These are the "Old Money" Ferengi. While they are all for expansion and creating new opportunities they are invested enough in the status quo where they are making handsome profit that they tend towards conservative action. They want expansion to be well-planned so that it will not disrupt current markets and their ongoing operations. They favor stability over excessive risk. Zek and Brunt would fall into this group.
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Expansion The Romulans are greedy and treacherous, if we are weak they will gobble us up. We gain strength through more latinum and territory, preferably as far from the Romulans as possible!
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