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Brodeurs Nanny posted:You'd rather see McDavid on loving Carolina or Arizona than Buffalo? You suck Yep. I would 100% rather see him play with Staal and Skinner, or with Perlini, Domi, Boedker, OEL, etc., than whatever crap Buffalo is icing.
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Imagine how good Ovie would be if he had another winger to complete the line... Like maybe that kid on Nashville, Forsberg I think.
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Feb 2, 2015 21:11
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If Ovi could get out against 3-4 and 5-6 pairings more often he'd win the Richard every year.
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bewbies posted:It wasn't THAT bad at the time. Stempniak put up a great season (was probably the best player) on a bad Blues team in 06-07, then had a mediocre season following, but was absolutely on fire early on in 08-09 (13 points in 14 games at the time of the trade). I'm guessing the Leafs thought he could put up 30-30 on a better team. Steen was looking like he had topped out as a decent 2-way 40 point guy and he'd been really bad so far that season so he seemed...expendable. Also in their defense it isn't all that common for a guy to improve dramatically at age 29. You are right, and the Steen of the past two seasons is not the Steen anyone expected to develop into when he was traded. Still, it was a bizarre deal that didn't need to be made, but the Leafs have a long history of giving up on their young players early.
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Feb 2, 2015 21:19
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There's only a 33.5% chance that McDavid ends up on one of the bottom 2 teams, and yeah I'd bet heavy money on him turning whatever team around.
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Twin Cinema posted:You are right, and the Steen of the past two seasons is not the Steen anyone expected to develop into when he was traded. Still, it was a bizarre deal that didn't need to be made, but the Leafs have a long history of giving up on their young players early. He was 24 when he was traded and had looked to settle into a ~40-50 points a season role. He was hardly young, and to that point hadn't put up particularly impressive numbers at any level. It wasn't until he was 29 years old (5 years after he was traded) that he managed to show anything noteworthy from an offensive standpoint. The odds of that happening are so low as to be essentially unpredictable. The Stempniak/Steen trade is just one of those ones that looks bad in hindsight, but really no can be faulted for. The Blues sold high on Stempniak who suffered an unlikely decline, Steen evolved as a player in the years that followed and eventually became one of the rare players to excel offensively in their late 20s.
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Vicas posted:Ovie is starting to get close to "vet who really needs some hardware" age, on the range of SAS sympathies Hes 29
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Feb 2, 2015 21:36
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What an old dude
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Austrian mook posted:Imagine how good Ovie would be if he had another winger to complete the line... Like maybe that kid on Nashville, Forsberg I think. Never heard of him.
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:There's only a 33.5% chance that McDavid ends up on one of the bottom 2 teams, and yeah I'd bet heavy money on him turning whatever team around. If either Buffalo or Edmonton retain the 1st overall and the other gets Eichel, they'll both have really good young centre depth for a long time McEichel-RNH-Draisaitl McEichel-Reinhart-Grigorenko
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Feb 2, 2015 21:38
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Mike Richards is also 29
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ThinkTank posted:He was 24 when he was traded and had looked to settle into a ~40-50 points a season role. He was hardly young, and to that point hadn't put up particularly impressive numbers at any level. It wasn't until he was 29 years old (5 years after he was traded) that he managed to show anything noteworthy from an offensive standpoint. The odds of that happening are so low as to be essentially unpredictable. The Stempniak/Steen trade is just one of those ones that looks bad in hindsight, but really no can be faulted for. The Blues sold high on Stempniak who suffered an unlikely decline, Steen evolved as a player in the years that followed and eventually became one of the rare players to excel offensively in their late 20s. Other than that one season, was Stempniak ever touted as anything?
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Twin Cinema posted:Other than that one season, was Stempniak ever touted as anything? Someone around here was claiming he was a surefire 20+ goal scorer I think. I believe it was a Flames fan. Might have even been 30 goals
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Theres no way tippett would stick mcdavid in the minors for years like every other coyotes prospect, right
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Buffalo isn't a historically horrible team, and honestly I think it's almost commendable how fully they've committed to the "burn it all to the ground and start over" rebuild. It takes serious balls. It's not guaranteed to work by any means, but they ARE at least accruing a good amount of young talent, draft picks and prospects and before too long could be back in the mix. It's worlds better than the usual half-assed "miss the playoffs every year but don't fully rip off the band-aid" strategy a lot of perennial bottom-feeders seem locked into. Give them McDavid or Eichel and things could shape up in a surprisingly brisk hurry.
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Feb 2, 2015 22:31
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mcvey posted:Hes 29 Yeah right, have you seen his hair?
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Yeah I really don't see Buffalo as a garbage franchise. They've at least been competitive within the last few years and while Pegula was foolhardy in throwing money at Leino, he doesn't seem like the type to let the team wallow. They're just really committed to the tank, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a huge overhaul in the roster following this year. Edmonton on the other hand has tried this for years with nothing to show for it except another high pick because it's the old boys club.
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Aphrodite posted:Yeah right, have you seen his hair? Why do hockey players start going bald so young anyway?
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Ovie's hair turned grey within the past year, or he forgot to dye it before skating around without a helmet during all-star weekend. e: I am not the only person who has noticed this 
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Pornographic Memory posted:Why do hockey players start going bald so young anyway? I don't think Alex Goligoski ever had hair. Getzlaf, either.
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Feb 2, 2015 22:46
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Pornographic Memory posted:Why do hockey players start going bald so young anyway? Supposedly, athletes in more physical or contact sports (wrestling, football, presumably hockey, etc...) have on average higher levels of testosterone than the general population or even athletes in sports that aren't contact-intensive (swimming, soccer, basketball, etc..). If true, and if it's true that hockey players go bald younger than the average person, then given the links between testosterone levels and hair loss, that's probably why.
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Pornographic Memory posted:Why do hockey players start going bald so young anyway? The heat trapped in the helmet melts their hair follicles.
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Pornographic Memory posted:Why do hockey players start going bald so young anyway?
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Habibi posted:Supposedly, athletes in more physical or contact sports (wrestling, football, presumably hockey, etc...) have on average higher levels of testosterone than the general population or even athletes in sports that aren't contact-intensive (swimming, soccer, basketball, etc..). If true, and if it's true that hockey players go bald younger than the average person, then given the links between testosterone levels and hair loss, that's probably why. Yep and it's all natural testosterone, no more questions please.
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Levitate posted:Someone around here was claiming he was a surefire 20+ goal scorer I think. I believe it was a Flames fan. Oddly, I think I was arguing with evilwaldo about this when the Leafs finally traded Stempniak. Actually, no, it was Versteeg we were arguing about. I think his claim was that the Leafs shouldn't trade 20-goal scorers, as if 20-goal scorers are difficult to come by, even when they are mediocre players (that season, there were 106 20-goal scorers. The Leafs had 4 of them.) I am right, but I am giving it to evilwaldo, if only because he had the most hilarious disappearance from SAS I have ever witnessed.
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Feb 2, 2015 23:08
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apparently canadiens have recalled jacob de la rose to replace injured eller
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Twin Cinema posted:Other than that one season, was Stempniak ever touted as anything? He was a really good college player who had a 27 goal season at age 23. That's...a decent pedigree. He wasn't touted as the savior of the franchise or anything but I kind of assumed he'd be a 20-30 goal/50-60 point guy for the Blues for a while after that breakout season.
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I think the reason people said good things about Dustin Brown was either him elbowing Matt Cooke in the head, or that time he scraped snow off the ice and pretended to snort it off his stick in front of Mike Richards.
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Lee Stempniak is the poster boy for why you shouldn't trust anyone with a shooting percentage over 12% until they've done it for at least 2 full seasons. Preferably 3. One of my favourite all-time SAS discussions was when he got traded to the Coyotes and someone insisted that he could totally keep up his 30% shooting from his 18 games with the team, you see, because it wasn't luck but his amazing chemistry with noted playmaker Vernon Fiddler. He is a pretty good depth player even now, all things considered, just not really a scoring threat. That trade still stings, as much as it is hindsight it was just really poor asset management. Selling low on a couple of guys and betting high on someone more than a year removed from being really productive.
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I still think Vernon Fiddler sounds like a fake name from a smalltown southern US-based detective novel
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I would be thrilled if the Stars could beat the Avs tomorrow. They keep clawing themselves back into contention then they lose to Colorado or Winnipeg. Finally got that drat Winnipeg monkey odd their back.
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I'm not too familiar with Stemp's pedigree, but his current contract with NYR has got to be one of the best values in the NHL. He's not producing a lot this season, but my guess is that is driven by his utilization (I feel like I hear RAS mention him being on the 4th line a lot). He's still putting up solid possession numbers and I think he's a pretty great 3rd liner, with the ability to slot into the 2nd line when needed. Man, I wish Pitt had kept him.
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Zodijackylite posted:I think the reason people said good things about Dustin Brown was either him elbowing Matt Cooke in the head, or that time he scraped snow off the ice and pretended to snort it off his stick in front of Mike Richards. It was a shoulder/upper arm hit on Cooke and it was Burrows who supposedly taunted Mike Richards in that manner.
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Bruce Garrioch claims the Habs are trying to trade for Mike Green or Tyler Myers. Presumably he's full of poo poo as usual.
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AngryBooch posted:It was a shoulder/upper arm hit on Cooke and it was Burrows who supposedly taunted Mike Richards in that manner. how can anyone read this and still hate burr? that is some sean avery level trolling, a man like this ought to be praised to the heavens
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evenworse username posted:Bruce Garrioch claims the Habs are trying to trade for Mike Green or Tyler Myers. big bob floated the habs as the primary suitor for green yesterday, iirc
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Top Hats Monthly posted:
pretty wild that the Eastern playoff race is so set in stone that even with ~32-35 games left, the best chance any team not currently in the playoffs has at making it is just 12%. Not sure if that says the East has 8 really legit teams, a really bad bottom half, or both
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Menamino posted:pretty wild that the Eastern playoff race is so set in stone that even with ~32-35 games left, the best chance any team not currently in the playoffs has at making it is just 12%. This is actually surprisingly common on this site, it was definitely pretty similar to this last year, too And I guess it kind of makes sense, since it's mostly about making the playoffs at all. While the Rangers, Islanders, and Penguins might swap spaces, they're all almost guaranteed to make it to the playoffs, all the interesting percentages are in positions 7-10
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