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One of the biggest things that piss me off about grogs is they don't seem to understand the real world. You see it all the time. From grogs swearing that you can't walk more than 10 miles in day, because it's physically impossible to walk more than a mile without terrible foot and knee pain, to assholes saying that 150 feet with a rifle is a world record shot, to claiming katanas can cut through tank armor.quote:[–]AFineWayToDie 2 points 10 months ago Because fighting only involves swinging a sword. There's no knowledge skills like tactics, or strategy, or being able to deal with flag/bugle/whistle signals, no formation learning, nothing beyond swing a sword. Military careers NEVER involve politics, or fighters would never learn the ins and outs of etiquette, or other languages, or learn to read because nothing was ever written that a fighter would care about. It reminds me of people yelling how ridiculous it is that the fighter can swing his sword all day without fatigue because they can't walk up the stairs to the kitchen without getting winded.
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 12:29 |
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This thread is still going on 4chan, and people are rightly calling the OP an unimaginative bore and a failure at communicating. e: paradoxGentleman fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Feb 9, 2015 |
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Nostalgia4ColdWar posted:One of the biggest things that piss me off about grogs is they don't seem to understand the real world. You see it all the time. From grogs swearing that you can't walk more than 10 miles in day, because it's physically impossible to walk more than a mile without terrible foot and knee pain, to assholes saying that 150 feet with a rifle is a world record shot, to claiming katanas can cut through tank armor. My favorite thing is when people talk up that fighters should be the BEST AT FIGHTING and can't do literally anything else at all, JUST FIGHTING ALL THE TIME, and then those same people whine about how fighters are overpowered anytime they actually are the best at fighting.
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 12:47 |
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Guilty Spork posted:I still maintain that a fair number of gamers basically really badly want to play GURPS, but don't know it and wouldn't give it a chance if they did, solely because it's not D&D. D&D is not a physics simulation, and the game came from a guy who called realism "the last refuge of the scoundrel." I don't think that would even happen for GURPS. You have a lumberjack skill that's somewhere between maybe 8 and 12, roll 3d6, and if it's less than or equal to the skill, you chop down the tree! ProfessorCirno posted:My favorite thing is when people talk up that fighters should be the BEST AT FIGHTING and can't do literally anything else at all, JUST FIGHTING ALL THE TIME, and then those same people whine about how fighters are overpowered anytime they actually are the best at fighting. Yeah I mean if they actually are supposed to be really really good at fighting then I'm sure they wouldn't mind if the Fighter could literally explode the boss in a couple hits. What's that? They walked it all back during the Next playtest? Oh ok never mind then. (yes I'm being just a little facetious; a class that explodes a boss in a round wouldn't be so cool in a game that's a lot about combat if he just dumps on everyone else, but sheesh) Grog tax quote:It was out for six years. That's called a mass rejection. Face it, you got swindled by a lovely game.
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 13:07 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Yeah I mean if they actually are supposed to be really really good at fighting then I'm sure they wouldn't mind if the Fighter could literally explode the boss in a couple hits. What's that? They walked it all back during the Next playtest? Oh ok never mind then. ENWorld has a thread on "what's overpowered in 5e?" and wouldn't you know it, it was that fighters did just too much gosh darn damage. It's even bled into other threads! Literally the same people angry that 4e Fighters were "Defenders" and not "Strikers," the same people who bragged about how Fighters need to have no skills or abilities outside of fighting (because they're the Best At Fighting!), the same people who made a trillion threads about how all fighters should do is hit enemies really hard...are mad that fighters can hit enemies really hard. D&D nerds I swear have legitimately some sort of loving psychological issue with fighters.
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 13:19 |
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ProfessorCirno posted:
High school. Plain and simple. These are the people who think that it doesn't take any study to get good at a sport, that you don't have to memorize strategies and plays, they just think any athlete is a retard, because they are oh so smart. And wizards are nerds and fighters are jocks. Speaking of fighters (some more), I've noticed there's a HUGE pushback against anything that might actually make sense in a fantasy setting regarding armor. Alchemical blacksmithing,, strange alloys not available on earth, and all that, are fine when it's the caster, but the idea that advanced blacksmithing, unusual materials, new and different armors, for the fighter, all seem to smash face first into "THIS ISN'T ANIME/REALISTIC" when you put it forward. Example: World has dwarves and artificers and other tech tracks that earth never had, because it ISN'T Earth, and that's OK for stupid stuff. Research into thicker but lighter armor, alloys, metal layering, and the like would be a priority for nations and militaries. New types of armor would be researched, and since these worlds have been trapped in the medieval ages for hundreds or sometimes thousands of years the idea of anything that wasn't in that relatively short period of time in Earth's history in a relatively small area of the world is a complete anathema. But the idea that this stuff would move into the martial area seems to completely bypass these guys intellect. The idea that nations and militaries would start investigating alchemical enhancement to soldiers (why not? Buff up soldiers so their 10 feet tall and have a strength of 20 means your soldier can wear more armor and will kill the enemy faster and last longer. Write a nation that emulates the Roman military, with a standing army, armor and weapon research, metallurgy, and the like, and it's unrealistic and can't exist according to these people who can accept wizards who can kill everything with a fart. But go ahead, start a thread about armor for fighters that isn't 'historical' and you'll have people screaming bloody murder, because fighters can't have nice things. And I'm rambling. Related: Sean K Reynolds posted:Throwing out "but the magic guy can do X!" as an argument is irrelevant when we're talking about the game rules modelling what a human can physically do without magic. gently caress YOU IF YOU AREN'T MAGIC!
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 14:38 |
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dwarf74 posted:The site didn't used to be that bad. ENWorld in 2012: grog posted:First, thanks for answering. I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm just wary of one minority group trying to get more than what the majority gets. Of course that was nothing compared to ENWorld in 2011: Grog at its worst posted:These are the villains in a tentative campaign which I am thinking of running. The entire fiasco was terrible - especially the behaviour of Morrus who threatened to shut down Circvs Maximus when people objected to the way he handled that fiasco on there.
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 14:44 |
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thelazyblank posted:EDIT: Accidentally stumbled across this piece of un-fun-having in response to Very Serious Webcomic Manly Guys Doing Manly Things. The topic is on Elephacentaur Rogues and their ability to kidnap chickens by sneaking up on them. quote:When he tries that, and he’s going to try that, the guards quietly surround him (distracted enough that the other players might be able to slip away) and then ask, “Were we just supposed to not talk about you, then? Was that your plan for this?” Once again a grog stumbles upon something clever by accident, and instantly dismisses it.
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 14:55 |
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So, some guy got a slap on the wrist for putting too much IP in his character generators. Like, recently. As in the year 2015.quote:Y'know, it's crap like this that almost makes me pine for the days of "She Who Shall Not Be Named"... Almost... quote:More proof I was right when I said 2e + 3e = 5e! You get the dull gameplay of 3e, but now with the Lorraine Williams' ignorance of 2e!! This, of course, brings to mind quote:It is ironic how dickish they are about IP rights when their game spent its first several years taking freely from Tolkien, Moorcock, Leiber, etc. They got it all sorted out in a legally kosher way eventually, but their first instinct was to 'borrow' liberally and ask questions later or, better, never. Start-up hobbyist company plays fast-and-loose with copyright, therefore forty years later we should let it slide. quote:
quote:It makes me question on why do we bother with IP at all? I mean it isn't stopping China and they pretty much break every copyright they can. Hell they created a Blizzard theme park and I mean the video game company Blizzard. We can't even touch them, but yet I seen Game Workshop lawyers go after a woman because she made a space marine novel. Not Warhammer 40K space marines, but just generic space marines in battle armor. quote:I don't think you have thought this through. IP law. Patent law. Whatever. Just burn it all down, as long as I get my niche-of-a-niche character generator!
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 15:17 |
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quote:The alignment system is born of the idealized unity of the cosmic, political and personal in Judeo-Christianity. ...
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quote:The only two times I looked at 4th edition in any depth were in my research for The Edition Wars and during a stand-alone adventure that I ran in v4. The climax of this adventure pitted the (1st-level) player characters against a 22nd-level professional assassin (halfling rogue). And the players won. When they did, I pretty much left the table in disgust. I don't know what to say to this other than "haha nope"
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 20:23 |
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Hipster Occultist posted:I don't know what to say to this other than "haha nope"
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 20:51 |
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does nerds being weird and terrible on roll20 but not specifically about a particular elfgame count as grog, bc drat I was looking through the roll20 LFG forum because i've got some kind of awful nerd stockholm syndrome and GUESS WHAT I STUMBLED INTO, SANDWICHED BETWEEN M&M AND PATHFINDER RECRUITS quote:The Natural and Direct Seduction (NDS) Workshop is a chance for you to spend 4 weekends with Dante pushing your comfort zone and learning about how to communicate with women. quote:Zero Charisma said: quote:I really appreciate you commenting on the thread as a ~~female~~(: Girl's opinions are always welcomed. Let's start with an example of some of the things we teach, everybody. (ning) has taken the social standpoint of "Hostile & Judgmental" Why? It could be she doesn't have much success with guys herself. Or maybe she does, but she doesn't understand what we're doing. Let me help you out with that. golly, i can't imagine why anyone would think the roll 20 dot whatever community has a problem with women
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 21:03 |
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Hipster Occultist posted:I don't know what to say to this other than "haha nope" This is the kind of thing that can only have actually occurred through some massive and deliberate misunderstanding of the rules, because even the most brazen and flat-out lying edition warrior would know better than to just make up something as ludicrous and impossible as this. So now I want to know the details.
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 21:09 |
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dwarf74 posted:.... WHAT? No, 4e characters can fight above their pay grade, but not THIS much.
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 21:50 |
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Chaltab posted:Also note that, according to this, he intentionally put his party against a L+21 encounter and was disgusted when they won. So by his own admission he was trying to TPK them. He's never played 4E before and is just lying about it. He read some crazy thing online about how tough 1st level 4E character are, inflated it, and then just lied. I highly doubt any game actually occurred. Grogs lie constantly. quote:This is the kind of thing that can only have actually occurred through some massive and deliberate misunderstanding of the rules, because even the most brazen and flat-out lying edition warrior would know better than to just make up something as ludicrous and impossible as this. The simpler explanation is they are just lying. An elaborate scenario where they misunderstand the rules and ran a session of 4E where this happened is staggeringly unlikely. Its brazen and ludicrous because its a brazen lie. Laphroaig fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Feb 9, 2015 |
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neonchameleon posted:ENWorld in 2012: I can't believe I forgot that thread. It gave such amazing lines like "That said, it's one thing to accept gay people, it's another to sit through another player trying to gay up an NPC." gay up an NPC
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 22:30 |
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I guess Desborough got interviewed by some lovely MRA podcast.quote:I was there when it was live and participated in the chatroom. Not that anyone here would be surprised, but my supplemental information on the tabletop RPG scene vis-a-vis SocJus cultists did catch some folks off-guard. (Can't blame them; folks tend to ignore what's not in their face or known to be in their interests.) At least one of the Badgers did dig into Fred Hicks' flipping out over Gamergate, so there may be further tabletop RPG talk in future podcasts. This is Bradford C Walker, grog extraordinaire, whose LJ (yes, really) is currently a neverending alternation between MRA/redpill Youtube videos and gun-nut poo poo. quote:In some ways, encouraging these ersatz feminists would be the best way to undo them. Their reach is beginning to exceed their grasp. The more they tighten their grip, the more star systems will slip through their fingers. I just love this. It's amazing. I want to bronze it. quote:If James' is to be believed, his game was pretty innocuous (no slurs, no pro-rape, etc.). So Fred Hicks getting it banned is pretty low if that's true. quote:The Streisand Effect is real, and we are wise to make it work for us.
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 22:55 |
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Plague of Hats posted:This is Bradford C Walker, grog extraordinaire, whose LJ (yes, really) is currently a neverending alternation between MRA/redpill Youtube videos and gun-nut poo poo. That loving guy! He also has a severe allergic reaction to the word "story." quote:I can do without "story" entirely. If I want one, I have plenty of novels/short stories/feature films/serials on hand to satisfy that itch. I play TRPGs for the experience of a life other than my own, not to write stories. If I want to write a story, I open up a Word file and write a loving story. Instead, I play to enter a milieu, establish an objective and then pursue that objective as best I can- to immerse, experience and learn from that experience. Narrative, as in real life (which is what TRPGs emulate, however fantastic they may be), is something constructed after the fact by those that survived it or their descendents. This is a history-creating medium, not a novel-writing medium. quote:"Instead, I play to enter a milieu, establish an objective and then pursue that objective as best I can- to immerse, experience and learn from that experience." quote:Jesus gently caress, NO!
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 23:18 |
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Ningyou posted:does nerds being weird and terrible on roll20 but not specifically about a particular elfgame count as grog, bc drat A flyer posted at Grand Prix Sacramento Apparently he tweeted that he was going to be there, and judges intercepted him and kicked him out. Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Feb 10, 2015 |
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Lightning Lord posted:A flyer posted at Grand Prix Sacramento "I am JACE, the MIND SCULPTOR of standing next to a disinterested cosplayer!"
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# ? Feb 10, 2015 00:16 |
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Antivehicular posted:"I am JACE, the MIND SCULPTOR of standing next to a disinterested cosplayer!" The Jace, you beta.
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# ? Feb 10, 2015 00:18 |
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Plague of Hats posted:The Jace, you beta. Anybody who expects complete strangers to pay him $115 per day just to talk about is clearly the beta male.
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# ? Feb 10, 2015 00:22 |
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quote:Annoying. Got a few minutes while students work, so thought I'd hammer out some FW layout. Laptop has InDesignCS5, so can't open CC files. quote:Only choice would be to load copy of CC on the laptop -- which would run excruciatingly slowly on this older machine. ARGH. quote:So, if you were ever curious as to why FW is taking me so bloody long -- stupid poo poo like this accumulates. You know what? I'm sure there's some sweet spot of hardware that can run IDCS5 but not IDCC. Maybe GMS is that unlucky! I still don't think that's a meaningful contributing factor to why Far West is as late as it is. Say, what are those daily KS updates looking like, anyway? Thursday posted:This coming weekend, I will be sending along some material that has finished the proofing process. First up will be Chapter VII, which is the equipment chapter, Swords and Sixguns. Friday posted:As I mentioned yesterday, some proofed stuff should be on it's way to you this weekend (possibly Sunday -- tomorrow is my son's 20th birthday, so I might be spoken for -- at least for part of the day. Although. I'm not sure how many of his birthday plans involve hanging with his parents... ). Sunday posted:Sorry about the silence yesterday -- the birthday activities took up more of the day than I expected, and by the time we'd finished up, it was pretty late for an update. Monday posted:I had a bout of insomnia last night, and barely got any sleep -- I had my teaching gig today, and just got back home. Rather than get back to work on Far West today, I'm going to take the rest of the day off, and crash out pretty much right after dinner. Far West is a fractal of delays. Each smaller part resembles a larger sum of those parts. It's hard not to imagine that his plan of Daily Updates Until
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# ? Feb 10, 2015 00:42 |
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http://www.polygon.com/2015/2/9/8005145/why-one-of-d-ds-biggest-video-game-devs-thinks-that-tabletop-game-hasquote:History, people, history. Rewind to 2005: WoW was KING of EVERYTHING. It dwarfed EverQuest. People quit playing D&D on Friday night to go raid somewhere in Azeroth. The development that went into 4th Edition was based on the assumption that pen-and-paper could claim new audience from on-line game players. That’s why it was such a huge break from 3.0/3.5 and the heritage that led there. It was seeking new audience and in doing so, it took for granted all of us who had been playing for ages.
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# ? Feb 10, 2015 11:17 |
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Plague of Hats posted:You know what? I'm sure there's some sweet spot of hardware that can run IDCS5 but not IDCC. Maybe GMS is that unlucky! It's pretty annoying checking my KS activity feed and watching his updates clog everything up.
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# ? Feb 10, 2015 11:32 |
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The way grogs talk about games, I can't possibly imagine they actually play them. They sit around dreaming up economies ran by wizards and scummy slavery fantasies and quibbling over use of words like "mileau" or "simulation" but I've never seen them talk about games they've actually run or things their players did. Just hypotheticals. If they've ever played with human loving beings I'd be surprised, and I'd be honestly amazed if those people didn't leave partway through session one.ProfessorCirno posted:That loving guy! He also has a severe allergic reaction to the word "story." "I'm not wrong, you're just dumb and uneducated!" God, what a child.
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# ? Feb 10, 2015 14:13 |
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The Deleter posted:The way grogs talk about games, I can't possibly imagine they actually play them. They sit around dreaming up economies ran by wizards and scummy slavery fantasies and quibbling over use of words like "mileau" or "simulation" but I've never seen them talk about games they've actually run or things their players did. Just hypotheticals. If they've ever played with human loving beings I'd be surprised, and I'd be honestly amazed if those people didn't leave partway through session one. Most such grogs are probably just running their mouths because they're wannabe amateur scholars, when most of that poo poo goes out the window as they actually sit down and play. There's an entire other strain of grog (RPGSite) who definitely do play and talk about actually playing mostly like normal people, but their particular damage is being really angry about how other people play. These guys talk a lot about how other people probably don't even play games, they're just reading books and flinging SJW crusades around.
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# ? Feb 10, 2015 14:42 |
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Ningyou posted:i just What particularly amused me about all of that was the sheer amount of Doublespeak that guy used. "Oh no, it's not PUA stuff - that's bad - what we use is the Direct and Natural approach. It's nothing like PUA stuff because it's got a different name, you see? What? You're saying the techniques are the same? No, they're more Direct and Natural, not at all like negging." I'm in a fraternity. When I was in undergrad, they were a lot of very socially awkward men in the fraternity due to the fact that they recruited from the engineering department (I was an exception). This fraternity also has a lot of MtG and P&P RPG players, so they're basically the target audience for these con-men. I'd been a bit of a socially awkward puke back when I was 18/19, so I understood and empathized with my brothers. At a Christmas party, one brother asked me "How do you talk to women?" My response was simple. "Like any other person." It's really weird for me as I grow older and start to notice how the hobby, whether it's through gendered marketing or the industry being a good ol' boys club full of ers, really seems to believe that men and women are two separate species.
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# ? Feb 10, 2015 18:48 |
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LuiCypher posted:What particularly amused me about all of that was the sheer amount of Doublespeak that guy used. "Oh no, it's not PUA stuff - that's bad - what we use is the Direct and Natural approach. It's nothing like PUA stuff because it's got a different name, you see? What? You're saying the techniques are the same? No, they're more Direct and Natural, not at all like negging." also it's kind of ironic that dude calls it ~Natural and Direct~ but then proceeds to type like no human being ever LuiCypher posted:I'm in a fraternity. When I was in undergrad, they were a lot of very socially awkward men in the fraternity due to the fact that they recruited from the engineering department (I was an exception). This fraternity also has a lot of MtG and P&P RPG players, so they're basically the target audience for these con-men. I'd been a bit of a socially awkward puke back when I was 18/19, so I understood and empathized with my brothers. dudes are just BAFFLED at being told 'hey talk to women like bog-standard human beings'
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# ? Feb 10, 2015 19:36 |
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Not to derail too hard, but "talk to women like people" is also terrible advice. Not because it isn't true, but because it's not useful.
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# ? Feb 10, 2015 20:29 |
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Well yeah, you can't teach empathy.
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# ? Feb 10, 2015 20:45 |
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I think our HoneyBadger friend who gave the previous Grogs thread its final title has discovered reddit.quote:Just woke up from a bit of a nap and yet another loving post on here telling us to stop focusing on SJWs.
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# ? Feb 10, 2015 21:02 |
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Tollymain fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Feb 10, 2015 |
# ? Feb 10, 2015 21:31 |
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Ningyou posted:HOW CAN I GET THE TOP SCORE IN THE RAINBONER ROAD TIME TRIAL This is a terrible and sad situation, but I just wanted you to know I broke down laughing at this.
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# ? Feb 10, 2015 21:35 |
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Yeah that was me who got banned. I've been banned 3 times for Gamergate now. The 1st time was for a day, when the movement was new, the second time was for a month because I had the audacity to say I didn't hate women, despite supporting Gamergate.. No kidding, they literally told me I must hate women, and my Mother and Sister should be ashamed, and I must hate my Mom and my Sister... When I spoke up against this "Bam!" Banned for a month by one of my favorite RPG writers (Former favorite) whose now a mod there.. This time, I LITERALLY SAID I DIDN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT GAMERGATE in the post I made, and they used that as an excuse to ban me.. The sad thing here is...before GamerGate I wasn't considered a dangerous poster or anything akin to that... Hell I'm a former RPG writer myself. I was Developer for a Cyberpunk game called "Interfacre Zero 2.0" I actually sourced RPG's trans community on how they felt trans people would view technology capable of easily letting them switch their biological sex... Suddenly I'm not on board with hating Gamergate and I become anathema... It reminds me so much of the French Terror...where those who originally started the revolution, ended up getting beheaded all the same, for not supporting the Revolution enough.
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# ? Feb 10, 2015 22:10 |
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Same here, I had to pass on the latest Dark Ages Vampire Kickstarter, because the developer David Hill Jr has gone Full Mcintosh. I'm honestly now afraid he's going to destroy the Masquerade setting from within because he's taken such a hardline stance against GG and begun to retweet everything Jon Mcintosh actually says.. I'm like "Dude, you write a game where players can portray Vampires belonging to a political group that literally views humans as Cattle.." And he's silent... but now is all Anti-Violence and Anti Sexuality.
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# ? Feb 10, 2015 22:11 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:http://www.polygon.com/2015/2/9/8005145/why-one-of-d-ds-biggest-video-game-devs-thinks-that-tabletop-game-has The comments overall are amazing, because almost every single one ignores what Urquhart says and goes "ACTUALLY I BET IT WAS 4e, IF HE PLAYED 5e HE'D KNOW HE'D KNOW."
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Polygon posted:In part, that's why Obsidian Entertainment recently cut a deal with Paizo to create games based not on D&D, but tabletop RPG competitor Pathfinder. It's just the continuation of Pathfinder's marketing strategy.
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