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Nintendo Kid posted:To be honest complaining about having to be signed in to a Microsoft account to use OneDrive seems more than a bit silly. 
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Che Delilas posted:Yes, this does remind me that requiring a microsoft account (or whatever you call it this year) to do anything is complete horseshit, and if you continue to attempt to shove it down our throats I'll just continue to not participate in all your awesome solid-color, sacrifice-everything-to-the-god-of-smartphones design philosophy. I'm guessing you already have an account logged into every mobile device you may use, like any regular person. Calm down.
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Mar 6, 2015 06:38
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Why do I even need an account to post to this forum? loving bullshit.
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Mar 6, 2015 07:23
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Factor Mystic posted:It's literally only ever been called "Cortana". Did you really not know that? I heard it mentioned before, but I haven't been reading blog posts waiting for this exciting new thing to come out, I just heard "Windows 10" and hope it's not a whole bunch of new stuff I'm forced to learn. I don't care about voice activation so didn't pay much attention to this stuff, although I was aware it wouldn't be called "Siri".. Nintendo Kid posted:To be honest complaining about having to be signed in to a Microsoft account to use OneDrive seems more than a bit silly. xylo posted:I don't get it either. How do you expect things like Xbox Live, OneDrive, Outlook.com, Skype and even store entitlements to work if they aren't tied to an account? I could understand having a OneDrive application which itself has to be signed in to a Microsoft account. This is how it worked in Windows 8 RTM, right? Now (since 8.1?) you have to sign in to your Microsoft account at an operating system level to use OneDrive. I can use Skype just fine without having my OS signing into my Microsoft account. I don't see why OneDrive has to be special. I guess it has become an inseparable part of the operating system, well at least until some anti-competition lawsuit appears. Of course I realize that 99.999% of users aren't going to care less about (or even be aware of) how much of their private data gets synced to the cloud. It seems to me though that signing into my Microsoft account at an OS level means all sorts of things are going to start going into the cloud without my knowledge.
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Mar 6, 2015 08:40
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Any idea when the next build will be available? I'm planning on installing this over the next few days but won't bother just yet if a new build is on its way soon.
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Mar 6, 2015 08:43
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Buttcoin purse posted:Now (since 8.1?) you have to sign in to your Microsoft account at an operating system level to use OneDrive.
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Mar 6, 2015 08:49
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Buttcoin purse posted:I could understand having a OneDrive application which itself has to be signed in to a Microsoft account. This is how it worked in Windows 8 RTM, right? If you want to sign in with only a MSA like you described, you can do that, but you're not required. I believe it's the default option because for most people it's the simplest. Buttcoin purse posted:Of course I realize that 99.999% of users aren't going to care less about (or even be aware of) how much of their private data gets synced to the cloud. It seems to me though that signing into my Microsoft account at an OS level means all sorts of things are going to start going into the cloud without my knowledge.
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Mar 6, 2015 09:35
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quote:To be honest complaining about having to be signed in to a Microsoft account to use OneDrive seems more than a bit silly. I don't care about about it at home, but for corporate use it's an issue. I don't people to be encouraged by the OS to sign into stuff that they don't need or understand the implications of. Yes, I can block this stuff with a group policy and with firewall profiles, but  plus people will try to sign in and bark at me when it doesn't work.
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Mar 6, 2015 12:49
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When I sign in to chrome at work, it doesn't let me sync for good reason. People will either understand that and get over it, or they are the type of person who complains about everything and it won't really matter what it is.
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Mar 6, 2015 13:19
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xylo posted:I don't get it either. How do you expect things like Xbox Live, OneDrive, Outlook.com, Skype and even store entitlements to work if they aren't tied to an account? I am ok with these kinds of features requiring an account login. what I want is to choose to install windows 10 without tying it to a Microsoft account or any account for that matter. I want all the cloud features to be completely disabled based upon this choice that I make during installation. From there I expect all of the features such as the ones that you cited to inform me that I need to log into a Microsoft account in order to use them. that will give me the cloud free OS that I want while making it very simple to log in and access these features as I see fit. What is your opinion on the matter? Do you feel that this is a reasonable request?
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Mar 6, 2015 13:51
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Xavier434 posted:I am ok with these kinds of features requiring an account login. what I want is to choose to install windows 10 without tying it to a Microsoft account or any account for that matter. I want all the cloud features to be completely disabled based upon this choice that I make during installation. From there I expect all of the features such as the ones that you cited to inform me that I need to log into a Microsoft account in order to use them. that will give me the cloud free OS that I want while making it very simple to log in and access these features as I see fit. This is more or less what I meant. I wasn't bitching about OneDrive or whatever service needing an account to use it. But one example from windows 8 sticks out in my memory and that was the Windows Mail app which required a Microsoft account to use (until 8.1 at which point the option to use your own email account was hidden until you enabled it with the local group policy editor). Not a problem for me directly, but I have family that I help with this poo poo sometimes and not one of them failed to mention how asinine this particular issue was. Xavier pretty much articulated my issue. Is the entire operating system going to be tied to the cloud by default, and if so, will there be clear, obvious options to opt out of that linking? Or will I have to go mining the registry and the group policy editor or take some other relatively arcane set of steps if I want to have control of my own computer, if it's even possible at all?
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Mar 6, 2015 14:28
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In Windows 8.1 at least, I'm pretty sure you can install with a local account. Has that changed in 10?
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Mar 6, 2015 15:13
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hooah posted:In Windows 8.1 at least, I'm pretty sure you can install with a local account. Has that changed in 10? No. You can still install as local only but if so you can't use onedrive, cortana, or the online cloud capabilities of Office.
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Mar 6, 2015 15:35
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AAB posted:No. You can still install as local only but if so you can't use onedrive, cortana, or the online cloud capabilities of Office. You don't get the opportunity to sign into those services separately? That is indeed stupid.
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Mar 6, 2015 15:51
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hooah posted:You don't get the opportunity to sign into those services separately? That is indeed stupid. You can still do that
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Mar 6, 2015 15:58
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AAB posted:You can still do that So then what's the problem? Install with a local account, sign in to whatever services you want.
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Mar 6, 2015 15:59
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Why does cortana require an online connection at all? That seems like a feature which could easily have an "offline" option without needing an account login. I realize that cortana could be used for web based voice commands/interaction as well but if I only wanted to use it in order to interact with the offline features of the OS then should I not be able to?
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Mar 6, 2015 16:06
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I'm trying to figure out what the complaining about optional services is as well. They're nice, yeah. If only Cortana could work for business. "Hey Cortana, find that email where I said the project was a load of poo poo"
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Mar 6, 2015 16:06
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Xavier434 posted:Why does cortana require an online connection at all? That seems like a feature which could easily have an "offline" option without needing an account login. I realize that cortana could be used for web based voice commands/interaction as well but if I only wanted to use it in order to interact with the offline features of the OS then should I not be able to? Because Microsoft has some pretty incredible voice processing technology that Cortana uses that doesn't sit on your computer.
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Mar 6, 2015 16:08
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AAB posted:I'm trying to figure out what the complaining about optional services is as well. They're nice, yeah. If only Cortana could work for business. I am not really complaining as much as I am discovering and asking about what I can and cannot do in Win10 as well as expressing what I would prefer. The fact is that MS is pushing the cloud a lot and none of us truly know to what extent that will be required vs a simple option that we can toggle. Not yet at least. Best to speak up now. -Dethstryk- posted:Because Microsoft has some pretty incredible voice processing technology that Cortana uses that doesn't sit on your computer. I see. Shame that there is no way to offer an option to install it on local machines. Even if there was a large install footprint and required a beefy machine it would be nice to be able to do that.
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Mar 6, 2015 16:12
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AAB posted:You can still do that
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Mar 6, 2015 16:15
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Has there been any official word on whether previous versions is coming back in Windows 10? I was pretty surprised to find out that it was removed in Windows 8, it's probably my favourite feature.
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Mar 6, 2015 17:42
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tak posted:Has there been any official word on whether previous versions is coming back in Windows 10? I was pretty surprised to find out that it was removed in Windows 8, it's probably my favourite feature. It's there in the current build. I hope it stays too.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:17
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Xavier434 posted:I am ok with these kinds of features requiring an account login. what I want is to choose to install windows 10 without tying it to a Microsoft account or any account for that matter. I want all the cloud features to be completely disabled based upon this choice that I make during installation. From there I expect all of the features such as the ones that you cited to inform me that I need to log into a Microsoft account in order to use them. that will give me the cloud free OS that I want while making it very simple to log in and access these features as I see fit.
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Mar 6, 2015 20:30
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Xavier434 posted:I see. Shame that there is no way to offer an option to install it on local machines. Even if there was a large install footprint and required a beefy machine it would be nice to be able to do that.
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Mar 6, 2015 20:31
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xylo posted:Even now in Win10, I'm signed in with my home domain account. I then tie the domain account to an MSA in the settings panel. Skype accounts are now tied to MSA also (they used to be standalone separate accounts before they were bought by MS. All of my passwords are random generated poo poo. When I login with my home domain account, it also allows me to sign with my MSA (so I don't need to type in my MSA password for the store/onedrive/etc). Okay, call me a simpleton, I was thinking of "sign in using Microsoft account" and "sign in using some other account which has at an OS level had a Microsoft account tied to it" as pretty much the same thing, because I'd rather not tell the OS my Microsoft account details. From what you're saying, on Win10, Skype *can* use the MS account you provided to the OS, but in Win8 at least it also *can* just prompt you for those details so you aren't forced to give the OS your account details, and that's the way I'd prefer to sign in to Skype. And OneDrive. quote:You can elect to sync nothing. Go to Settings->Accounts->Sync Settings. At this point, only account services (ie, Xbox Live or whatever) and entitlements (ie, store apps, are used). I don't recall seeing a master "OFF" switch though. I bet if I install some new MS app or update that adds more syncable settings, it will default those to "ON" for my convenience  Xavier434  Maybe if I upgrade from my tin foil hat to your awesome one I'll be better protected Flipperwaldt posted:If that's true for OneDrive on Windows 10, then that's "You can go back to doing that", not "still". Exactly - on Windows 8.1 Update I see:  so accessing OneDrive from a web browser is my preferred option at the moment.
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Mar 7, 2015 04:34
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Xavier434 posted:Why does cortana require an online connection at all? That seems like a feature which could easily have an "offline" option without needing an account login. I realize that cortana could be used for web based voice commands/interaction as well but if I only wanted to use it in order to interact with the offline features of the OS then should I not be able to? It's mostly so you can speak naturally instead of like a robot. Voice assistants without online processing blow. See Microsoft's own Kinect for example.
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Mar 7, 2015 07:58
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If I remember right, doing Cortana's processing all client side would currently require an average quad core system to devote two cores to analyzing the command and several hundred gigabytes to a terabyte of data for it to work against. Since it's all on servers instead though, you can have a rack full of cpu cores and only like a few redundant copies of the voice data to work with simultaneously.
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Mar 7, 2015 08:04
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Aphrodite posted:It's mostly so you can speak naturally instead of like a robot. Voice assistants without online processing blow. See Microsoft's own Kinect for example. The offline mode in Android seems to work fine.
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Mar 7, 2015 08:56
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Xylo, any chance of a utility for downloading Windows 10 that would download the latest updates already slipstreamed into the ISO? I format and reinstall Windows more often than any man should on both my own machine and those of friends, family and coworkers. Updating after the initial install takes hours, even on fast machines with good download speeds. A solution like that above would be a tremendous time saver.
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Mar 7, 2015 11:55
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If I download and install the Technical Preview, do I have to do a fresh install for each minor update or does it just do those through Windows Update? How often can I expect to have flatten my system, not too worried about general instability and early features, I'll deal with them as they come up.
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Mar 7, 2015 12:06
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Nintendo Kid posted:If I remember right, doing Cortana's processing all client side would currently require an average quad core system to devote two cores to analyzing the command and several hundred gigabytes to a terabyte of data for it to work against. Since it's all on servers instead though, you can have a rack full of cpu cores and only like a few redundant copies of the voice data to work with simultaneously. This cant be right. Think about what would be necessary for many millions of users interacting with Cortana all at once. Also voice seems to work fine for me on Android even when my device is on airplane mode. So offline Cortana must be possible even without an expensive PC.
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Mar 7, 2015 14:16
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VodeAndreas posted:If I download and install the Technical Preview, do I have to do a fresh install for each minor update or does it just do those through Windows Update? How often can I expect to have flatten my system, not too worried about general instability and early features, I'll deal with them as they come up. The builds act the same as in-place upgrades. It installs the new build over the top, so you shouldn't have to flatten the system at all. In fact, one build install failed on me and I was sure I'd have to start over. Windows rolled back on its own, retried the install, succeeded, nothing lost.
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Mar 7, 2015 14:17
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Thanks Schnoopy, that's what I was hoping.Xavier434 posted:This cant be right. Think about what would be necessary for many millions of users interacting with Cortana all at once. Google does it's voice processing server side too - it might be able to do some basic stuff in offline mode but everything you say is uploaded and parsed by their hive-mind, check this out: https://www.google.com/settings/accounthistory/audio
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VodeAndreas posted:Google does it's voice processing server side too - it might be able to do some basic stuff in offline mode but everything you say is uploaded and parsed by their hive-mind, check this out: In that case the basic stuff is all that I really need because I did not notice any difference in quality or capabilities while offline . I am ok with only using a basic version of Cortana if Microsoft makes that an option. At the same time I need to ask myself how much I care in general. the only reason that I use voice recognition at all on my touch screen devices it's because those devices making large compromises when it comes to user input capabilities. having a real keyboard and mouse all but completely eliminates any any desire that I have to use voice recognition. That is just me though. I realize that others will enjoy taking advantage of giving the OS commands through voice. Xavier434 fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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Mar 7, 2015 14:48
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Xavier434 posted:At the same time I need to ask myself how much I care in general. the only reason that I use voice recognition at all on my touch screen devices it's because those devices making large compromises when it comes to user input capabilities. having a real keyboard and mouse all but completely eliminates any any desire that I have to use voice recognition. That is just me though. I realize that others will enjoy taking advantage of giving the OS commands through voice. It's not just you. If I'm at a desk, looking at a screen with a keyboard and mouse in front of me, those are going to be the most efficient ways for me to select what I want to do at the moment. Particularly because what I want to do in that situation is also going to involve using the keyboard and mouse. Now, put me in the kitchen cooking dinner and let me just tell my computer to play some music for me, or put me on a couch and let me tell my computer to stream an episode or a broadcast of something to my TV, now we're talking. But that tech would have to be ROCK solid for me to buy into it, and from what I've seen it's not remotely in a state where I would put up with it over a more direct interface (i.e. mouse). But then I've never been an early adopter.
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On Windows Phone, you actually can type/swype your commands in (like, 'remind me to take my laundry out of the dryer in an hour' and it does that, or type 'Barack's Obama's age' and it tells you). And it's completely silent when you type in your commands, even when it asks for confirmation.
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Mar 7, 2015 17:14
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Xavier434 posted:In that case the basic stuff is all that I really need because I did not notice any difference in quality or capabilities while offline . I am ok with only using a basic version of Cortana if Microsoft makes that an option. I'm thinking Cortana still being in beta is maybe the reason. They'd maybe still want processing happening on the server to speed up the work on it/firm it up. Along with that, honestly I can see the appeal of being able to use Cortana on the desktop verbally. To me it'd be like touch, why would I use touch on my desktop? Then once I became accustomed to it, I realize there are definitely certain things where touch is the better interface. Scrolling for example. Now instead of launching my calendar and doing multiple precise clicks to populate fields I can just say "Set an appointment for tomorrow at 8AM and call it Fart Town". Definitely faster than mouse, but it won't be in all cases. Like touch, it'll be a supplement. OldPueblo fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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Mar 7, 2015 17:56
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Xavier434 posted:This cant be right. Think about what would be necessary for many millions of users interacting with Cortana all at once. Uh, what? You're aware Microsoft has data centers with plenty of processing power available, and the storage of the voice data can simply be shared right? Not to mention that much of their server capacity is processors quite a bit more powerful than your average cheap computer's processor.
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Why does the notification card say "tap." I have a desktop, I can't tap anything.
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