Plafop posted:Actually the majority of dumb grunt work will be replaced by robots and we won't have to hear any more whining from people just smart enough to breathe. I achieved that last part pretty quickly by putting you on my ignore list
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Honestly how dumb do you have to be to look at the US and conclude "yep. the problem here is poor people have too much influence, we need to make politics the domain of the wealthy and connected, this will fix our problems"
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Feb 14, 2015 19:46
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Scalding Coffee posted:We can accomplish that by making it too expensive for the poors to establish themselves. A barrier to entry, if you will. No we must clearly strip the poor of their votes, lest such sub-humans interfere with the benevolent wishes of the wealthy. The wealthy must be free to use their superior education and inherent superiority to 
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Feb 14, 2015 20:12
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Carol Pizzamom posted:Marx was a piece of poo poo and a racist. People back then were often pretty reprehensible and Marx was no exception. There's writing you can find where he bitches about Jews and tries to insult another economist by insisting he isnt white, lmao Marx was ancestrally Jewish though?
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Feb 14, 2015 20:18
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Jose Oquendo posted:the only people who like communism are either the people in charge of a communist government or those who have never lived in one. It's real cool that you managed to talk to everyone who ever lived in a communist country you should share your travel stories
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Feb 14, 2015 23:39
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Noted dictator Hugo Chavez never won any elections
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Feb 15, 2015 01:08
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Plafop posted:Kim Jong Un won his elections too!! Everyone voted for him, because they love socialism so much!! I'd be real interested in hearing your views on how the elections in Venezuela are comparable to the way North Korea leadership is decided. Actually I wouldn't because you're an idiot racist with the same grasp on global political discourse as a homeschooled 7 year old
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Feb 15, 2015 01:19
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IzzyFnStradlin posted:uh, did you read my earlier posts ITT? i was on your side! sheesh. some ppl. what kind of boring gently caress 1%er spends their spare time on internet forums with us proles?
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Feb 15, 2015 01:51
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woke up and im still insanely wealthy. time to partake in an activity that the literal impoverished can enjoy in their local library
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Feb 15, 2015 01:55
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Oberleutnant posted:wwhy are these ppl standig around in public with a banner advertising their political beliefs?? Is it because the y want attentiom or something? i juts dont get it also im only 4
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Feb 15, 2015 12:48
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It's not so much that communist theory is inherently unworkable but more a case of gobalisation growing to a point where major corporations have gained influence with leaders so much so that nations are impotent to act against market interests. The amount of capital required in contemporary democracy undermines democracy to the point that in most cases ideology is redundant. Modern states are little more than tools for measuring the global flow of capital, rebelling against this system only ensures investment and capital flow to your country will diminish, prohibiting growth. The problem with neo-liberalism is that austerity also prohibits growth in much the same way, so eventually there's a risk that radical ideology will gain influence and power, much like the situation in Greece.
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Feb 15, 2015 20:06
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furthermoreZzulu posted:socialism owns
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Feb 15, 2015 20:07
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Frog Act posted:you mean the one where a substantial portion of the voters agreed with exactly what you're saying here and voted in a left wing party yeah i hope it happens lots
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Feb 15, 2015 20:08
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Frog Act posted:
Na the point I was trying to make is that capitalism is poisonous as such that it subverts democracy by making ideological change as damaging to living standards as the capitalist mode of production itself
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Feb 15, 2015 20:16
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i thought you were making one of those circumspect pearl clutching refrrences to golden dawn i often see emanate from D&D
Digiwizzard posted:its not really a globalisation thing, Socialism in One Country just doesen't work and marx was saying this from the start Perhaps socialism in one country doesn't work partially because of globalisation due to economic integration between states? Hence the need for Marxist global revolution.
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Feb 15, 2015 21:40
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Scalding Coffee posted:That explains how I never hear of people with a couple bucks in hand, make a journey to other countries, and thrive. All my grandparents did was leave the immediate area and not settle in a shithole with subsidized everything. ermm excuse me? I heard some vague antidotes and have a story about my grandparents from a different time in history, how can you refute me commie!?
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Feb 15, 2015 22:50
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Scalding Coffee posted:It worked for Europe. Oh... There's no bigger tell of a clueless American than someone who generalises about Europe as a single entity. Europe has arguably the best governed countries in the world in Scandinavia, reliable stable economies like Germany, unreliable unstable economies like Greece, corrupt as gently caress countries like Italy as well as a variety of poverty nations. "It worked in Europe. Oh" like it's a single policy with a single outcome is lazy bullshit
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Feb 15, 2015 23:30
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Scalding Coffee posted:I should have said EU. There seems to be a difference. My bad. You bring out Universal Healthcare as if that single policy always has the same outcome. Get off your high horse. Since Privatized Healthcare in the US makes it 11th overall, what does that make of the lower-ranked countries with Universal Healthcare? Saying EU would make little difference. There's still a range of countries with different economic models and levels of prosperity. The USA spends the most per capita in the world on healthcare and manages a lofty 11th, and of this you're proud? Try not to post when stupid. http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS Benjamin Arthur fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Feb 15, 2015 |
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Feb 15, 2015 23:44
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Scalding Coffee posted:I guess that is why politicians from those countries come here to get covered. No need to worry about being denied coverage because you are too sick or something. Relatively few politicians from the developed world go to the USA to get treatment, but catering to the very wealthy is one of the few things the US health system does well. On the flip side there's also a good degree of medical tourism where middle class people and poorer leave the US specifically for affordable medical care.
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Feb 15, 2015 23:55
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lfield posted:sorry mr leader of a UHC nation, you can't get coverage here because you are too sick. maybe try the US? - a real doctor, somewhere, apparently lol
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Feb 15, 2015 23:57
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Scalding Coffee posted:Obama made sure no one is being denied. In fact, people are paying far more under his Obamacare than before, and we have fewer options and doctors to pick from. no poo poo, Obama had to implement a "free market solution" to UHC no wonder its still bad
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Feb 16, 2015 00:19
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Scalding Coffee posted:I am glad to pay double for inferior UHC. good idea, dont post mad bro
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Feb 16, 2015 00:20
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sexy young infidel posted:if theres one people worth listening to about society, its the british - after all they managed to get the unemployment rate for all people in their country to be twice as high as the unemployment for blacks in the US, which is pretty freakin impressive lol what in the gently caress are you talking about -share of the labor force that is without work but available for and seeking employment 2013: UK 7.5% USA: 7.4% http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.UEM.TOTL.ZS Benjamin Arthur fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Feb 16, 2015 |
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Feb 16, 2015 00:21
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Scalding Coffee posted:An unrestricted access to goods would mean cutting back on regulations. Not Communist at all! Yes and obviously libertarianism must be the ideology most dedicated to supplying access to goods for all, because it's just so anti-regulation! How exactly does regulating goods consumption so that distribution is according to need rather than market forces imply cutting back on regulations? Benjamin Arthur fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Feb 16, 2015 |
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Feb 16, 2015 18:04
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I'd still like to know why you think distributing goods according to need rather than market forces implies less regulations and non-communism?
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Feb 16, 2015 18:13
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its really brave of plaflop to valiantly defend the status quo 
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Feb 17, 2015 00:15
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your work is done here plaflop, you can go back to something sensitive now and gloat about your famous victory over the sleepy communist
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Feb 17, 2015 00:24
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Friendly Tumour posted:burning mountains of refuse dont sound like a sustainable choice for a base of operations sounds more like a fascist camp
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