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 We’re here, baby! After years and years of posturing, media reports, false rumors, dealbreakers, tepid callouts and mediocre events, undefeated Floyd Mayweather Jr. and eight-time world titlist Manny Pacquiao have finally gotten together to make what will almost certainly be the biggest boxing fight in history. The contracts are signed, the fight is announced, the fighters are ready, and you can bet Vegas will be an absolute zoo come May 2nd. While Floyd will likely enter the ring as the significant favorite come fight night, rest assured that the Pacquiao nation will be loudly and proudly supporting their man. Anything can happen on May 2nd, as two all-time-great fighters challenge each other for supremacy. The winner will walk away as the undisputed best fighter of the modern era. The loser will have to console himself with the tens of millions (if not hundreds of millions) of dollars he’ll walk away with. Obviously no story this year could possibly be bigger than The Super Fight finally coming to pass. Even so, 2015 outside of Manny and Floyd is already shaping up to be a unique year for boxing. The secretive Al Haymon, who has spent the last few years both corralling some of the sport’s biggest names into his managerial stable and feeding those same fighters a steady diet of chumps and no-hopers, is finally stepping out of the shadows with a big new plan to bring boxing back to free television. NBC and CBS are among the platforms he’ll be using to promote his fights, and he’s already coming out the gate strong with competitive main events like Keith Thurman vs Robert Guerrero. Time will tell whether Haymon’s ad-based business model will pay off in the long run, but in the short term what he’s doing is great for providing exposure to the sport. Let’s not forget all the other fighters still out there and ready to mix it up. Eastern Europeans are still ruling the roosts in the higher weight classes. Gennady Golovkin looks to continue his knockout streak today against contender Martin Murray, while Sergey Kovalev is probably looking to start up a new knockout run of his own beginning with Jean Pascal and hopefully continuing to Adonis Stevenson. Of course the baddest man of the planet is heavyweight champ Wladimir Klitschko, who has a fresh new crop of heavyweight hopefuls to harvest in Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury, and Bryant Jennings. Andre Ward’s promotional disputes are over and we can hopefully expect him to return to the ring soon, especially with the weight of Jay-Z’s Roc Nation behind him. Miguel Cotto and Saul Alvarez may have been unable to negotiate a fight of their own, but there’s definitely unfinished business between the two that could get settled later this year. Finally, there’s a storm brewing up in the welterweight division as a number of fighters such as Amir Khan are hungry to position themselves as the de facto challenger for whoever among Mayweather and Pacquiao emerges victorious. We’re in for a great year, boys. Let’s enjoy the ride. Year-End Boxing Awards for 2014  2014 Fighter of the Year: Terence “Bud” Crawford When I think of what makes a good year for a boxer, I think of three things: activity, level of competition, and level of dominance against that competition. With those three things in mind, I don’t think anyone had a better year than Terence Crawford, who for me took the cake in all three categories. The Omaha native began the year tabbed as a hot prospect with a ton of promise and talent, who was defensively sound yet could turn aggressive with a flip of the switch. He wasn’t loud or showy like Adrien Broner and he his style wasn’t as eye-catchingly fan-friendly; he was just a really good fighter on the verge of contending for a title. By the end of December, Crawford had become a lineal champion of the lightweight (135 lb) division, a huge draw in his hometown of Omaha, Nebraska, and a serious emerging threat to the many overhyped fighters at jr. welterweight (140 lb) and welterweight (147 lb). Crawford’s first fight this year came against Ricky Burns, the Scottish lightweight titleholder to whom he was the mandatory challenger at the time. Burns had escaped the previous year with a hometown decision draw against scrappy Ray Beltran in a fight which saw his jaw busted and broken, and prior to that had been seen as ducking top lightweights like Miguel Vazquez and Adrien Broner. The public viewed him as ripe for the picking, but any fighter who took him on in Scotland would also need to beat their judges. Crawford was up to the task and headed overseas in March, making it clear early in the fight that he wasn’t intimidated by Burns’ hometown advantage. After a few feeling-out rounds, the quick and accurate Crawford had Burns all figured out. It was an absolute separation in class; the plucky titleholder just could not compete with Crawford’s speed, movement and sense of timing. The American challenger walked away with a unanimous decision win and his first world title.  Crawford’s first title defense came in his home city and state of Omaha, Nebraska, against a fellow undefeated lightweight named Yuriorkis Gamboa. The Cuban Gamboa was well-known among hardcore boxing fans as a phenomenal talent, a former Olympic gold medalist and Cuban amateur standout with great hand speed and power. Gamboa had made his name at featherweight (126 lb), but in recent years had been largely inactive, due in part to promotional difficulties created by his leaving Top Rank and hooking up with 50 Cent, and hadn’t looked as sharp at higher weight classes. Nevertheless, he was seen as huge leap in quality for Crawford’s first title defense. The fight started off competitively as Gamboa’s speed and sharpness showed early against a game Crawford, who would soon make an unusual adjustment in the form of switching from an orthodox to southpaw stance. What would have been a fatal mistake for most orthodox fighters against a great fighter like Gamboa turned into success for the ambidextrous Crawford, who began to counter the fast Cuban’s attacks with regularity and dropped him with a huge shot in the fifth round. Crawford soon took over the fight and asserted his size advantage over the smaller challenger, sending Gamboa to the canvas four times in total before the referee called out the fight. The victory was a signature win for Crawford, who impressed a capacity home crowd with an awesome performance against a true talent in the sport. Gamboa, to his credit, fought hard and had his moments the entire fight, making the match one of 2014’s candidates for Fight of the Year. Returning back to the electric atmosphere of his supportive Omaha crowd, Terence Crawford next defended his title against Ray Beltran, the scrapper who had nearly taken the scalp of Ricky Burns before Crawford did, only to have the judges rule the fight the other way. Beltran was a natural lightweight and a chief sparring partner for Manny Pacquiao, and was considered the best available challenger for Crawford at lightweight (in part due to unimpressive performances by the rest of the fighters in the division). While Crawford was undeniably the favorite, it was thought that Beltran would give him a good fight. Instead he gave Crawford another opportunity to dazzle a capacity crowd, as the Nebraskan native put all his skills on display. He outfought Beltran from orthodox or from southpaw, by leading or by countering. When Beltran did land hard shots on him Crawford returned with flurries, unwilling to leave any shot unanswered or to cede the fight even for a moment. In short, Crawford fought a good fighter and showed greatness, earning not only the lineal lightweight championship but also a seat at the table of pound-for-pound discussions.  The future looks very bright for Terence Crawford. There hasn’t been an American fighter who has shown this kind of sharp skill since, dare I say it, Floyd Mayweather. His dominance over quality opponents is reminiscent of Mayweather’s own days at lightweight, when “Pretty Boy Floyd” would put the shine on opponents the moment he saw openings. Crawford isn’t quite the untouchable defensive technician that Mayweather is, but he does have considerable wrinkles to his game, always finding something in the fight to separate himself from his opponents. He’s a three-dimensional fighter, and I don’t see him losing to the likes of Lucas Matthysse, Adrien Broner, or Danny Garcia, even if they would undoubtedly give him good tests. Outside of Mayweather or Pacquiao, I don’t see anybody coming into Crawford as a better favorite. Honorable Mentions: Sergey Kovalev had perhaps the single biggest win of the year, picking up three of the four titles at light heavyweight in a unification match against the legendary Bernard Hopkins, outboxing the crafty Philly fighter through the match. The rest of his year was pretty weak, though, and I felt that Crawford’s win over Gamboa stacked up well and that his overall year was better. Manny Pacquiao’s win over pound-for-pound entrant Tim Bradley was arguably just as big, and something must be said for Pacquiao winning against two undefeated fighters in sequence. I think most people feel that Pacquiao already got Tim the first time around, though, and the true quality of Pacquiao’s win over Algieri still remains to be seen, since Algieri is still relatively unestablished in the sport. Saul Alvarez fought twice this year and emerged unbeaten against fair competition, and may have been in serious discussion for Fighter of the Year if he’d fought Clottey at the end of the year like he planned. But his win against Erislandy Lara was fairly contested, and by the end of 2014 having a win over Angulo isn’t what it would have been a year or two ago. Gennady Golovkin fought three times in 2014 and won all of them by knockout, basically in cruise control mode the entire time against guys who were outmatched against him. I think this may largely be a case of a good fighter tearing through a weak division, and it remains to be seen how GGG does against fighters who are bigger or more technically sound. Roman Gonzalez is viewed as one of the best fighters in the world at any weight and has solidified his place in the flyweight division this year, winning the lineal title against Akira Yaegashi by knockout. He’s won most of his recent fights by knockout, including all three of the fights he had in 2014. I don’t know much about Naoya Inoue but I’ve seen his name floated around. Inoue is an up-and-coming Japanese fighter who just took out Omar Narvaez by knockout to win a super flyweight title in hugely impressive fashion.  2014 Fight of the Year: Lucas Matthysse vs John Molina There’s something about the tennis arena at the StubHub Center in Carson, CA that just seems to create great fights. The arena hosted the previous year’s Fight of the Year when Tim Bradley and Provodnikov went at it in brutal fashion in 2013, along with the tremendous first fight between Brandon Rios and Mike Alvarado back in 2012, so it’s really not surprising that a match between action fighters Lucas “The Machine” Matthysse and John Molina would erupt into a rugged war. I don’t think it was appreciated that way going into it. Despite losing to Danny Garcia, Matthysse was still viewed as one of the sport’s most dangerous fighters, still probably a class above anyone else in the division. I don’t think anyone expected Molina to give him too many problems, much less a grueling, blood-filled bombs-away contest. Right from the start both men were trading shots, and for a change Matthysse found himself being backed up by the fearless Molina. No pretense at movement or outside fighting was maintained by the two warriors as each man slugged it out with his opponent. Matthysse discovered he was in the ring with a serious puncher when he was sent to the canvas from a Molina right hand in the second round. A head clash opened up cuts on both fighters in the third round, with Molina probably getting the worse of it as the two men continued to brawl it out. Matthysse dropped again in the fifth round from another Molina right hand, complaining that the shot was a rabbit punch. However, Molina was never quite able to capitalize on either knockdown, as Matthysse proved to be busier and sharper on the inside throughout the fight.  In the eighth round, Molina himself finally went down on what appeared to be a push, giving Matthysse his first but not his last knockdown of the night. Matthysse began to put it on Molina in the last few rounds of the fight, upping his pressure to put Molina down again in the tenth. Molina’s corner almost stopped the fight but sent him out in the eleventh and told him to “start swinging,” and he was soon dropped again by Matthysse with enough finality for referee Pat Russell to finally end the fight. It was a dramatic end to a tense, brutal fight that Matthysse ultimately took over. Honorable Mention: Terence Crawford and Yuriorkis Gamboa put on probably the most competitive bout this year at the elite level and both men showed an impressive array at skills. Both were undefeated going into the match so the fight was significant, and the match had plenty of great punches thrown and landed.  Upset of the Year: Chris Algieri vs Ruslan Provodnikov I can’t help but wonder what this year might have looked like if Ruslan Provodnikov had not lost to Chris Algieri. Despite both Provodnikov and Manny Pacquiao both being trained by Freddie Roach and reportedly being good friends, a lot of people expected “The Siberian Rocky” to be Manny’s next foe, provided he got by a little-known New York fighter named Chris Algieri. The fight looked like it was on script in the start, with Provodnikov sending Algieri down early in the fight much the way he did against Tim Bradley the previous year. But like Bradley, the gutsy Algieri got off the canvas and began asserting his movement on Ruslan, who continued to pursue Algieri with big shots but not always with great success. In the end Algieri got the decision, though a fair crowd are still vocal about Provodnikov having deserved the decision. I personally think Algieri earned the nod and made for the most significant shake-up that happened this year. Runner-Up: Nicholas Walters also had a big come-from-nowhere win against the elite Nonito Donaire, who was definitely the favorite coming into the fight. I think a lot of people feel Donaire had a big backslide in recent fights, but you can’t take anything away from Walters for making a statement against Donaire with a stoppage win.  Robbery of the Year Jose Benavidez Jr. SD Mauricio Herrera I was there live for this fight and could not believe my ears when I heard the scorecards. Mauricio “El Maestro” Herrera is one of the better contenders at jr. welterweight (140 lb) and unfortunately is one of the hardest-luck fighters in the sport today. Holding a win over Ruslan Provodnikov, Herrera also gave Danny Garcia more than he could handle in Puerto Rico, only to lose that fight off some awful scorecards. That fight may have been the robbery of the year if not for his next fight, against touted prospect Jose Benavidez Jr. I went into the fight as a fan of Benavidez, but it was clear early on that the young fighter was outclassed by Herrera, who frequently backed him up to the ropes and then beat up on his body while Benavidez ineffectually protected himself with a high guard. Herrera controlled the fight, fought aggressively and made the match exciting, but in the end the judges gave the nod to the undefeated Benavidez in yet another example of a promotional favorite getting special treatment over a more deserving veteran.  From Zero to Hero Award: Most Improved Amir “King” Khan I’m sure people are looking at this award and shaking their heads. Amir Khan was already an established fighter before this year started, of course, and you could poke some holes into the quality of the wins Khan picked up in 2014. But I’d like to point out that at the start of the calendar year, Khan’s only fight at welterweight was against a journeyman in Julio Diaz, and it was a fight in which Khan was hurt and looked shaky at times, winning a not-so-comfortable decision over a foe he should have easily outclassed. He then took a very long layoff at the end of 2013, even ducking a fight with Devon Alexander to preserve his chances of fighting Floyd Mayweather. Marcos Maidana got the shot instead, off the strength of his upset victory against Adrien Broner, but Khan to his credit didn’t stay inactive. Instead he fought and beat two very tough welterweights in Luis Collazo, himself coming off a big upset win against Victor Ortiz, and Devon Alexander, a skilled if limited outside boxer. Amir Khan looked extremely solid in both fights, and even put on a memorable show against Alexander, bringing himself back into the conversation at welterweight as a top talent.  From Hero to Zero Award: Biggest Downslide Danny “Swift” Garcia After closing out 2013 with a masterful performance against fight fan favorite Lucas Matthysse, Garcia looked to be on top of the world. Even most of the critics here were silenced by that win, and Danny gained a lot of new fans by showing the heart and skill of a champion against The Machine on the undercard of the biggest event of that year. People were even bringing his name up as a Mayweather opponent, even if it still seemed premature for him to make the jump to welterweight. A lot of the hype wore off when Garcia defended his lineal championship in Puerto Rico against Mauricio Herrera, an awkward and aggressive boxer-puncher who had Garcia’s number all night, but ended up losing to Garcia via cooked scorecards. As if this “win” weren’t embarrassing enough, Garcia’s next fight was an obvious tune-up against a guy nobody had heard of who was ranked #72 in his division. It was a farce of a fight and looked really bad for Garcia and his team, who were transparently trying to keep their fighter from any more embarrassment that year. I think a lot of fans have written Danny off as another spoiled Haymon fighter, so hopefully he can turn perceptions around with a good fight against Lamont Peterson in April.  The Mike Jones “Who?” Award Andre “S.O.G.” Ward In a travesty matched perhaps only by Guillermo Rigondeaux being regulated to fighting no-namers off TV in Asia, one of the sport’s greatest fighters, in the prime of his career no less, spent the entire 2014 calendar year out of the ring. Andre Ward is widely regarded as the second-best fighter in the world after Mayweather, and holds the distinction as the last American man to win a boxing Olympic gold medal, so on paper he seems like he’d be an easy fighter to promote and market. But a combination of being too good at boxing, not being popular enough to justify the risk of fighting him, and promotional disputes between him and Goosen Promotions kept him from securing even a tune-up match. Ward has just recently signed with Roc Nation for a multi-year deal and will certainly be their biggest talent for some time to come, so hopefully we’ll see him return soon. The question remains as to who will step up to the challenge, though, as Carl Froch doesn’t seem to want a rematch with Ward (going so far as to say he would lose again) and there are no signs of Gennady Golovkin moving up in weight.  Dumbest Businessman Award Peter “Kid Chocolate” Quillin This one almost went to Adonis Stevenson, who repeatedly priced himself out of big fights against Kovalev, Hopkins and Pascal in the light heavyweight (175 lb) division, but I think nothing takes the cake above Peter Quillin ducking Matt Korobov and a $1.4 million payday, losing his middleweight title in the process and remaining inactive for the entire second half of 2014. An Al Haymon fighter, Quillin has (to my knowledge) never headlined a main event, instead fighting on Barclays Center undercards on Showtime with minimal fanfare. Quillin styles himself as a knockout artist and has won many of his fights that way, but has not always looked invulnerable, especially against the tough fighter Gabriel Rosado who was arguably beating him before that match was stopped, and may even have knocked Quillin out. So it was surprising when it was revealed that Roc Nation had offered Quillin a career-high payday to fight Matt Korobov and that Quillin had turned them down. Korobov would go on to be spanked by Andy Lee, who now wears the belt that Quillin used to own. Hilariously, Quillin has gone on record saying that Golovkin doesn’t bring any money to the table, even though Quillin himself has made less as the A-side than several GGG opponents have as his B-side. Quillin will soon be fighting for the title he just vacated against Andy Lee, so it remains to be seen whether he can make up for vacating the title in the first place.
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Links and Info News and Articles: FightNews - All kinds of boxing news as it comes, with short summaries for each. BoxingScene - Boxing news and occasional views with headlined links leading to stories Bad Left Hook - The best boxing blog around, with news summaries, fight previews and a lot of opinion pieces. FightHype - Some news, a lot of opinion articles and a fair amount of fighter interviews, especially with Floyd Mayweather. MaxBoxing - Mostly articles, usually fairly detailed and well-written Ratings/Rankings: Fight News Rankings - rankings for every division for the four major sanctioning bodies, plus FightNews’ own rankings The Ring Ratigs - The Ring’s own ratings for pound-for-pound and each division Schedule / Upcoming Fights: Bad Left Hook’s boxing schedule - The schedule I use. AFAIK it’s the most up to date anywhere Videos & Misc Links: Gorilla Porductions - Youtube channel with boxing highlight reels that are so professionally done it's a wonder this guy hasn't been scooped up by HBO yet. Dwyer Sports Betting on Youtube - Gives fight breakdowns and gambling tips. A lot of people don't like Dwyer but I think he's one of the better guys at breaking down a fight. Just take his gambling tips with a grain of salt. Queensberry Rules Radio - Good radio program if listening to guys talk about boxing is your thing. Tha Boxing Voice Radio Show - One of my favorite boxing shows. Good hosts with differing viewpoints and they frequently take callers. BoxingScene's Non Stop Boxing forum - Boxing talk all the time. There are a lot of really dumb opinions here and to me that's part of the charm. How can I watch boxing? For the most part, the biggest fights in boxing are found on the premium channels HBO and Showtime, who both invest a lot of money into fights they think will draw a lot of viewers. As far as cable TV goes, NBC and CBS are now in the boxing game, which means FREE BOXING on network television, and some pretty good fights to boot. ESPN2’s Friday Night Fights show is still going, and NBC Sports airs fights occasionally too, usually of much higher quality than can be found on FNF. I know Fox Sports used to have the occasional boxing card, but I don’t know if they still do. Showtime also occasionally runs a Friday night show called ShoBox, intended mostly as a way to showcase prospects at the verge of contention. The best way to watch fights online is probably youtube. Most classic fights and plenty of recent ones can be found uploaded on youtube if you search diligently enough. I’m sure there are plenty of torrent sites that archive boxing videos too. I’m not sure how kosher streaming is to talk about, I’ll simply say that boxing streams are pretty common and easy to find. I’m new to boxing, where’s a good place to start watching? Boxing is definitely a sport that is easier to appreciate with prior knowledge about its active fighters and their situations. Honestly the best way to pick up that knowledge is just to watch a lot of fights! If you see a boxer that has a style you particularly like, you’ll probably also enjoy watching his other fights, and along the way you might run into some other quality boxers he fought whose fights interest you. End-of-the-year lists are great resources for finding good recent classics, and Ring Magazine’s Fights of the Year is a good list of just a few of the hundreds of fantastic fights throughout history. There are plenty of boxers that almost everybody has heard of, like the heavyweights Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, Joe Frazier, and Mike Tyson, and their fights are worth checking out for any boxing fans. Among other recent fighters I’d recommend watching are Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Pernell Whitaker, Erik Morales, Julio Cesar Chavez, Roy Jones Jr, Marco Antonio Barrera and Kostya Tsyzu. I made a short list of good fights to watch in the previous thread and a few others posted their recommendations as well, so check that out as a good place to get started. How about getting into boxing training, you know anything about that? I just watch the sport, and don’t know much about training, but there’s a really good Boxing training thread over on YLLS maintained by mewse. It’s got a lot of great info for anybody getting started, and there are a bunch of people who post there and here that have a lot of experience with boxing training. The Ninth Layer fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Feb 21, 2015 |
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Nice work as always. Golovkin should be starting in about an hour give or take. Arthur Abraham v Paul Smith is just about to start, dependent on naff German soft rock intros.The Ninth Layer posted:Runner-Up: Nicholas Walters also had a big come-from-nowhere win against the elite Nonito Donaire, who was definitely the favorite coming into the fight. I think a lot of people feel Donaire had a big backslide in recent fights, but you can’t take anything away from Walters for making a statement against Donaire with a stoppage win. Walters was the gambling favourite for that fight
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Was he really? Hmm maybe not that big of an upset then, although at the time it definitely seemed like one.
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IMO a boxing thread is incomplete without a link to Gorilla Productions' channel - https://www.youtube.com/user/gorillaproductions03
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I'm still working on the links but yeah, his unreleased Mayweather-Pacquiao promo was stellar. Not sure how to link it as it's posted on his facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/GPboxing
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Feb 21, 2015 22:55
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Great job as always Ninth Layer.
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who's winning smith-abraham so far? just turned on in round 6
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Abraham had him rockin and rollin a bit in the 4th, probably ahead by a couple, good Smith round just though
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There are reports that there won't even be public tickets available for the Mayweather/Pacquiao fight, and if there are, only a few hundred will be available that will sell out immediately. If you are planning on going, be prepared to spend more than face value on the black market, which will already be exorbitant (I'd expect the nosebleeds to be $1000+). As for the fight itself, Mayweather has started to slow down since the Victor Ortiz fight, and really looked diminished (from his prime) in the Maidana bouts. Mainly, his legs are simply old at this point. Everywhere else he's only lost a half step at best, but he is quite a stationary fighter at this point in his career. He used to have very fast footwork and be very in and out, now he resembles a very in shape James Toney. He remains one of the absolute best boxers in the sport, but he's definitely past his prime now. Pacquiao on the other hand, has held up better. Other than his seemingly diminished power, which was arguably fuelled by steroids, Pacquiao looks as he always has; an absolute offensive boxing machine. Of course he's 36 years old and has almost 70 pro fights under his belt, but between the two fighters, Manny is closer to his prime. 5-6 years ago, I would have picked the fleet footed and unhittable Floyd Mayweather to beat Manny Pacquiao by a lopsided decision. In 2015, it's a much closer fight. If guys like Miguel Cotto and Marcos Maidana can push this version of Floyd to the limit, there's absolutely an argument for Pacquiao to flat out win the fight. I wouldn't be surprised.
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After tonight Murray will be the unrecognized undisputed middleweight champion of the world.
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Lionel Richie posted:Golovkin should be starting in about an hour give or take. Feel free to join us in #mma if anyone wants to, we are watching it
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He came make it to decision. I believe in you Martin.
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hahaha if murray can keep this up this is going to be an ugly fight
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Murray is pretty much a super middle so this could be an indicator of what would happen if Golovkin moved up
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Lionel Richie posted:Murray is pretty much a super middle so this could be an indicator of what would happen if Golovkin moved up Clinch clinch clinch clinch
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What's happening? Lots of holding?
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Dangersim posted:What's happening? Lots of holding? Murray is holding at every chance he can to move forward, when he isn't GGG is stalking him and just punching his blocking hands but at the end of the round there unleashed and rocked Murray.
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Murray won the second round, and is fighting very smart. Clinching, high guard, picking his spots, countering well.... GGG hurt him at the end of the 3rd, though. I imagine Golovkin is up 2-1 in rounds after 3.
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Golovkin starting to impose his power. Goodnight Murray.
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Saved by the gently caress up
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Golovkin with 2 knockdowns from a body shot in the 4th round, looking grim for Mr. Murray now.
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Goddamn there's not many fighters left out there that thump the beater as much as GGG on the blood trail.
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They may as well pull him out, if he doesn't get stopped he'll only get a career shortening butchering
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GGG is a force of nature. Maybe you can slow him down a couple of rounds, but you can't stop him.
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Cigar Aficionado posted:Pacquiao on the other hand, has held up better. Other than his seemingly diminished power Pacquiao doesn't have diminished power, and people who claim that he does are morons. He was a KO machine at flyweight, super bantam, and featherweight; he had good power at super-feather and lightweight, and then he went up to welter and (with the exception of Hatton, who isn't a true welter) started getting TKO stoppages without putting his opponents out or, in the case of Oscar, even down. His power didn't go anywhere, he was fighting bigger, sturdier guys, as demonstrated by the fact that as soon as he fought guys who were smaller (Marquez and Algieri) he immediately started getting knockdowns again.
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thehappyprince posted:anyone else got it even? You are the dumbest.
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thehappyprince posted:anyone else got it even? Are you crazy?
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thehappyprince posted:anyone else got it even? 
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thehappyprince posted:anyone else got it even? Sergio would dominate him for sure.
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Those overhand lefts to Murray's forehead were awesome. Murray is definitely world class. Golovkin is galactic.
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great corner work here. 'hit him' and 'whack him in the head'
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fatherdog posted:Pacquiao doesn't have diminished power, and people who claim that he does are morons. He was a KO machine at flyweight, super bantam, and featherweight; he had good power at super-feather and lightweight, and then he went up to welter and (with the exception of Hatton, who isn't a true welter) started getting TKO stoppages without putting his opponents out or, in the case of Oscar, even down. His power didn't go anywhere, he was fighting bigger, sturdier guys, as demonstrated by the fact that as soon as he fought guys who were smaller (Marquez and Algieri) he immediately started getting knockdowns again. Except he stopped de la Hoya (who's fought as high as 160), Hatton (at 147, obliterated him), and Cotto (who's a current middleweight), and since then has gone 9 fights without knocking out anyone, including Brandon Rios and Chris Algieri, two guys who came from smaller weights that he absolutely should have KOed. 9 fights in a row without a KO from a fighter who's now 36 years old = diminished power. Also moving up in weight classes and fight bigger guys by default means diminished power. That, plus Pacquiao's curious refusal to submit to random blood testing the first time Mayweather/Pacquiao was being negotiated (around the same time Pacquiao was knocking out everyone, coincidentally). So calm down with the invective. There's objective evidence that Pacquiao's lost a bit off his fastball.
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thehappyprince posted:great corner work here. 'hit him' and 'whack him in the head' Do you disagree
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thehappyprince posted:anyone else got it even?
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