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I saw this movie with my father last Saturday and it ruled. The only marketing I'd seen was a 3 minute clip of the bar fight on YouTube, and I was sold. I never imagined I'd see Colin Firth of all people as a superspy badass action hero and he totally sold it. I really liked the soundtrack a lot, as well. The main Kingsman motif was really catchy for such a simple tune. Apparently Vaughn and Millar are already working on ways to bring Colin Firth's character back for a sequel despite him being, you know, shot in the face. I'm actually totally okay with this.
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Xenomrph posted:Apparently Vaughn and Millar are already working on ways to bring Colin Firth's character back for a sequel despite him being, you know, shot in the face. I'm actually totally okay with this. Hell, I was expecting something like that to happen before the end of the film.
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Feb 27, 2015 20:31
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Xenomrph posted:I saw this movie with my father last Saturday and it ruled. The only marketing I'd seen was a 3 minute clip of the bar fight on YouTube, and I was sold. I never imagined I'd see Colin Firth of all people as a superspy badass action hero and he totally sold it. I cracked up like a loving lunatic when Samuel Jackson came on-screen. I hadn't seen any previews or trailers, saw it on a complete whim. Caught me entirely off-guard.
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Feb 27, 2015 20:41
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Xenomrph posted:I saw this movie with my father last Saturday and it ruled. The only marketing I'd seen was a 3 minute clip of the bar fight on YouTube, and I was sold. I never imagined I'd see Colin Firth of all people as a superspy badass action hero and he totally sold it. My theory is that he will return as a talking car/motorcycle/helicopter.
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Feb 28, 2015 04:35
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My one complaint is that they never fired Chekhov's under slung shotgun. Why tease me, movie?
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Feb 28, 2015 09:24
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I think Galahad used it even if Eggsy didn't... I sure I remember someone firing it!
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Feb 28, 2015 09:28
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Martman posted:I still think that, just by making so many of the upper class people go along with the dumb plan, the message is essentially "most of the 1% are ridiculously evil and so killing them all would be super awesome." To be fair that's a pretty on point message.
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Feb 28, 2015 13:45
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Yeah, between this, Elysium, and Purge: Anarchy, I'm liking the recent trend of openly leftist action movies.
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Feb 28, 2015 21:55
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Mr. Flunchy posted:To be fair that's a pretty on point message. Isn't it just the Other in a different position, though? Excusing human nature by making the oppressors inhuman so we never have to scrutinize our own morality.
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Feb 28, 2015 22:28
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This is the movie I thought the Interview would be. It's about as serious as Austin Powers, but also insanely violent and a decent spy movie to boot. It knew all the rules of the spy movie and action movie, and played with all of them. The Church scene was great because for all Bond's prowess as a shootist, fist fighter and knife fighter, you never actually just see him tear through a bunch of people. You never see what he's really capable of. It wasn't quite "The Raid" or "The Raid 2 Tha Streetz" but I never would have believe that one of the best fight scenes of the last few years would involve Colin Firth. The Swedish Princess gag was terrific, since it's the end gag from every Bond movie, just with the silly double entendres stripped away. The resolution was terrific (the death of the entire 1%) since every Bond movie has some massive technological or political development that's completely ignored the next movie. It's a perfect example an affectionate parody.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Isn't it just the Other in a different position, though? Excusing human nature by making the oppressors inhuman so we never have to scrutinize our own morality. On the other hand, they basically are inhuman.
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Mar 1, 2015 02:56
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Saw this a week ago, knew most of the basics but not how they would end up fitting together, and came away smiling. They did a great job parodying Bond/Bourne/modern espionage and simultaneously building their own world that made sense and gelled. Not too much I can say that hasn't already been covered. One question, though. Harry tells Eggsy that his gun was filled with blanks. Then he says when he took the test he shot his dog non-fatally. So... why would Harry's test be different from Eggsy's? It's not a huge concern of mine - I was actually able to whittle my friend's complaints about the movie down to just that question - but knowing what's up would be nice.
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Mar 1, 2015 03:17
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LORD OF BUTT posted:On the other hand, they basically are inhuman. That's objectively not true. Human beings is human beings, and human beings act like dicks when they have more power than others. Murdering all the people who are being dicks at a given moment does nothing to prevent other dicks from arising. Millar has kind of a thing for cheap revenge fantasy.
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Mar 1, 2015 03:44
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Millar also hates heroes and altruistic actions.
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Mar 1, 2015 04:45
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Millar really needs a hug, to be honest.
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LORD OF BUTT posted:Yeah, between this, Elysium, and Purge: Anarchy, I'm liking the recent trend of openly leftist action movies. and Snowpiercer
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CRINDY posted:One question, though. Harry tells Eggsy that his gun was filled with blanks. Then he says when he took the test he shot his dog non-fatally. So... why would Harry's test be different from Eggsy's? It's not a huge concern of mine - I was actually able to whittle my friend's complaints about the movie down to just that question - but knowing what's up would be nice. I thought both guns had blanks. Does Harry say he actually just shot his dog in the leg or something?
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Mar 1, 2015 12:26
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MorgaineDax posted:I thought both guns had blanks. Does Harry say he actually just shot his dog in the leg or something? They did both have blanks, Harry's dog lived to a ripe old age and died of pancreatitis or something. When he said he shot the dog he just meant he was willing to pull the trigger.
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Just saw this yesterday, not sure if I would feel the urge to rewatch, but pretty well done nonetheless - the church scene was mildly unsettling, but by the end with all the heads going up like neon fireworks, couldn't help laughing at the sheer absurdity. Plus, on the way out, I overheard a (probably) older conservative/religious type and her friends lamenting how they "wasted an afternoon watching that garbage", so I feel like that was a plus somehow as well.
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LORD OF BUTT posted:On the other hand, they basically are inhuman.
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Party Boat posted:When he said he shot the dog he just meant he was willing to pull the trigger. Good enough for me. Thanks.
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Mar 1, 2015 16:44
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Today's  OGLAF is weirdly appropriate to the conversation about social class, especially page 2.
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Today's
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Mar 1, 2015 18:58
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It's Oglaf.
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Martman posted:That's one of the weirdest excuses to draw porn I've ever seen. Less that it's an excuse to draw porn, and more that like 3/4 of the jokes Oglaf makes are sex jokes to begin with, so if it's already NSFW why not.
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Mar 1, 2015 20:52
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Oglaf is pretty cool. No harm, no foul, amusing most of the time.
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LORD OF BUTT posted:Yeah, between this, Elysium, and Purge: Anarchy, I'm liking the recent trend of openly leftist action movies. Wait, why are you assuming it was leftist? You think the Koch brothers were among the people approached? Sheldon Adelson? I liked this movie, but, maybe this is just me seeing things that aren't there, but did the movie seem weirdly filled with conservative messages? Stuff like, the Kingsman are successful entirely because they are not bound by any form of government or accountability to any sort of international law while government backed groups are all working with the bad guy, the villain is a scary black man and a global warming activist, Obama is complicit in genocide of white people, all the rich people who are in on it are young celebrities and left wing academics with not a single business owners outside of Vallentine himself, the torture scene in the 90's, all that stuff? Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Mar 1, 2015 |
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Mar 1, 2015 23:46
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Eggsy is a great nickname for someone called Taron Egerton, but not so obvious for someone called Gary Unwin. Is this just some weird coincidence and did they explain where the Eggsy thing comes from in the movie and I just missed it?
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Fulchrum posted:Stuff like, the Kingsman are successful entirely because they are not bound by any form of government or accountability to any sort of international law while government backed groups are all working with the bad guy This isn't a conservative message, it's an anarchist one. American conservatives just have an anti-government streak right now because right now the government is a black person. quote:the villain is a scary black man and a global warming activist, Actually, he's neither. His presentation is more Jay-Z than Michael Clarke Duncan, and he very pointedly doesn't actually give a poo poo about global warming except as a way to kill the poor. quote:Obama is complicit in genocide of white people, all the rich people who are in on it are young celebrities and left wing academics with not a single business owners outside of Vallentine himself Because a bunch of white guys with business suits and briefcases, while more accurate to the face of the problem, aren't immediately iconic of it. All those people are much easier to caricature and instantly read to the audience as "rich people." I don't actually remember the torture scene off the top of my head, so I won't comment on that one.
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LORD OF BUTT posted:This isn't a conservative message, it's an anarchist one. American conservatives just have an anti-government streak right now because right now the government is a black person. Yeah, but this movie doesn't happen in a vacuum. Besides, its hardly anarchic - its a private corporation that engages in vigilantiism with no respect for international law. LORD OF BUTT posted:
quote:Because a bunch of white guys with business suits and briefcases, while more accurate to the face of the problem, aren't immediately iconic of it. All those people are much easier to caricature and instantly read to the audience as "rich people."
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Fulchrum posted:Yeah, but this movie doesn't happen in a vacuum. Besides, its hardly anarchic - its a private corporation that engages in vigilantiism with no respect for international law. What are you even trying to say here? quote:You seriously think conservatives don't find Jay-Z terrifying? Maybe 20 years ago when Reasonable Doubt first came out, but in the year of our lord 2015 he's part of the status quo and not a scary interloper in it. quote:And claiming he doesn't care about global warming - seriously, what? He said that he spent billions on activism, and only stopped cause it was too late already and he wasn't getting results. And yet his plan is to just let it destroy the earth and save a few people who he likes. That sounds less like activism and more like an excuse to do what he really wants. quote:Wait, you think its hard for a movie to try to paint businesspeople as the bad guy, and celebrities are more easily accountable for wealth disparity. It's just subtle vs. blunt, and this movie isn't terribly subtle the rest of the time either.
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LORD OF BUTT posted:What are you even trying to say here? quote:Maybe 20 years ago when Reasonable Doubt first came out, but in the year of our lord 2015 he's part of the status quo and not a scary interloper in it. quote:And yet his plan is to just let it destroy the earth and save a few people who he likes. That sounds less like activism and more like an excuse to do what he really wants. quote:It's just subtle vs. blunt, and this movie isn't terribly subtle the rest of the time either.
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I was deeply disappointed in their portrayal of African-Americans. First, we had President Obama appearing to be willing to be chipped, implying that he is extremely selfish (although some might be able to argue that he isn't a real African-American since his father wasn't descended from American slaves). Second, we had the main bad guy who was an African-American, and had a very noticeable lisp, implying that homosexuals are mass murderers and evil. And finally, there was a black guy in a gang, who was brutally assaulted by a white person in an unprovoked and racist attack. I also couldn't help but notice that there were no African-American employees at the Kingsman facility. I therefore have no choice but to give this film zero out of ten stars. Movies like this are the reason black people aren't winning any Oscars. edit: Poe's Law. 
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an overdue owl posted:Eggsy is a great nickname for someone called Taron Egerton, but not so obvious for someone called Gary Unwin. Is this just some weird coincidence and did they explain where the Eggsy thing comes from in the movie and I just missed it? Eggsy was the nickname of one of Millar's schoolfriends IRL.
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Was he called Eggsy in the comics too? The only other Eggsy I know of is Johnny Love Eggs of GLC. Also lol at all the poshos itt calling him "Eggy"
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Party Boat posted:Was he called Eggsy in the comics too? The only other Eggsy I know of is Johnny Love Eggs of GLC. He was yeah. I only know that fact because it's written in the dedications bit of the comic.
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Fulchrum posted:Wait, why are you assuming it was leftist? You think the Koch brothers were among the people approached? Sheldon Adelson? I liked this movie, but, maybe this is just me seeing things that aren't there, but did the movie seem weirdly filled with conservative messages? Stuff like, the Kingsman are successful entirely because they are not bound by any form of government or accountability to any sort of international law while government backed groups are all working with the bad guy, the villain is a scary black man and a global warming activist, Obama is complicit in genocide of white people, all the rich people who are in on it are young celebrities and left wing academics with not a single business owners outside of Vallentine himself, the torture scene in the 90's, all that stuff?
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Ravenfood posted:Yeah, this. Its not at all leftist. Its, like, weirdly royalist and kind of anarchist but in a very weird way in that it wants to be against class boundaries while still shrouding itself in all of the trappings of the upper class. I agree with this - it's pretty transparent that the germ of Kingsman was the image of dapper English gentleman in a tailored suit unexpectedly busting out ultraviolent fighting moves. The rest of the narrative is a series of fuzzy justifications to make that politically palatable.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:I agree with this - it's pretty transparent that the germ of Kingsman was the image of dapper English gentleman in a tailored suit unexpectedly busting out ultraviolent fighting moves. The rest of the narrative is a series of fuzzy justifications to make that politically palatable. Fuzzy enough, but that lack of clarity makes the imagery all the more engaging, especially since we have a working-class chav as the main hero. It's basically a big hurrah to the working class, suggesting they too can enjoy the veneer of sophistication held by the upper class without requiring to be born into it (even though Eggsy actually IS born into Kingsman service, as it was his father's career in the organization that prompted Firth to pursue him as a candidate for recruitment.)
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The Kingsman are also working with the bad guy though. They're no better than anyone else. Valentine is an old, bespectacled nerd with a lisp; he's effete. He's not a scary black man, you racist. Obama is the current American president. Who else are they going to use, a resurrected Nixon? I don't think (leftist) anarchism has much in common with bourgeois leftish liberalism, so it shouldn't necessarily be a surprise that the film disapproves of middle-class: global warming activists; academics with esoteric ideologies; the American Democratic Party, etc. Where the film lets itself down most is in Eggsy's transformation into upper-class Galahad at the end, when instead he should have (for example) been able to switch between working-class and upper-class modes at will.
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