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The Singing Chav posted:Stardust's interesting and hasn't had his heat killed by Cena. You wanna get the attitude out, Jack? Well I think you need an Attitude Adjustment, brother!
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Niwrad posted:When was the last time someone lost a belt and then won the ensuing rematch? It seems like the new champ always goes over or it ends in a gently caress finish. I think the last time was Barrett/Miz, Wrestlemania 29 pre-show and the following Raw.
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Feb 24, 2015 09:52
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Anime Curator posted:bray wyatt and stardust are no different. Bray Wyatt was absolutely killing it and everybody loved his schtick until Cena ruined his credibility. Remember that Ambrose interview where the Shield said no to jobbing to Cena because "once you lose to Cena you're just like everyone else?" Bray's promos were FAR less coherent before the weeks leading to Mania 30 when he got a little more direct and serious to run down John, and people still ate them up. It's easy to sit on the old high horse now and talk about how annoying and boring his promos are but those who were negative about his mic work were the VAST, VAST minority before he got hit by the Cena Express. Stardust was a neat idea but he's never gotten all that much traction with the crowds even at his hottest. So if you're saying that Bray and Stardust are no different because it's hard if not impossible to care about their promos no matter how good they are or how interesting the angle they're involved in because the booking has done everything possible to make you not care about them, then that's true. But if you're saying that Bray and Stardust are the same in any other way that's just plain wrong. One worked brilliantly and was snuffed and the other never really worked despite having cool elements.
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sticklefifer posted:I think the last time was Barrett/Miz, Wrestlemania 29 pre-show and the following Raw. Didn't the Usos do it last year? Or one of the IC jobbers or something? Maybe AJ and Paige at some point. I remember someone winning the title on PPV and then losing the rematch the next night or something.
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Shima Honnou posted:Didn't the Usos do it last year? Or one of the IC jobbers or something? Maybe AJ and Paige at some point. I remember someone winning the title on PPV and then losing the rematch the next night or something. I'm 99 percent sure it was Miz and Ziggler over the IC belt. Hopefully someone will confirm that 99 by using the $9.99 they spent on the Network, and then... something something Steiner math joke
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Sanguinia posted:I'm 99 percent sure it was Miz and Ziggler over the IC belt. 99 times 9 is 891, but 99 times 10 is 990. 9 times 11 is 99. Wake up, sheeple, and welcome to the wasteland.
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Feb 24, 2015 10:42
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sticklefifer posted:Stardust as an Attitude Killer would be a fantastic way for the old guard to ride off into the sunset while putting over a younger talent immensely, which means they won't do it. Naturally. GREAT promo there, I wish promos could be half this entertaining live.
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Niwrad posted:Why would they not put that on Raw? Why do they hate good characters and good stories? They've only got three hours dude, not enough time to fit this in when they're so pressed for time. Edit: If it makes you feel any better, I'm sure on Smackdown this week Cole will repeat the promo verbatim during Stardust's entrance while draining it of all emotion and punch. Everybody wins!
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So Brock was backstage, advertised but not used. Nobody is talking about why, says Dave Meltzer. Odd.
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Considering the death of kayfabe, and the ever blurring line between the crowd and the ring, the next logical step is for the WWE to declare everyone that doesn't like Reigns as "Heel Fans" who just want to see the WWE fail because they are dead inside, they will turn buying roman merch and cheering for the company boy into an act of dissension against bad people.
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Gonzo McFee posted:So Brock was backstage, advertised but not used. Nobody is talking about why, says Dave Meltzer.
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Sex Robot posted:Considering the death of kayfabe, and the ever blurring line between the crowd and the ring, the next logical step is for the WWE to declare everyone that doesn't like Reigns as "Heel Fans" who just want to see the WWE fail because they are dead inside, they will turn buying roman merch and cheering for the company boy into an act of dissension against bad people. So Cena 2005 then?
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Gonzo McFee posted:So Brock was backstage, advertised but not used. Nobody is talking about why, says Dave Meltzer. I'm guessing they have to pay him anyway? Why would you have him and not use him?
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I think right now they are terrified if they put him in the same ring as Reigns he's going to get a much more positive response, so I fully expect the next few weeks to be spent continuing to rebuild Reigns before they bring them together. Having to rebuild one half of your main event on the biggest show of the year is still hilarious to me
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Skinty McEdger posted:I think right now they are terrified if they put him in the same ring as Reigns he's going to get a much more positive response, so I fully expect the next few weeks to be spent continuing to rebuild Reigns before they bring them together. If they put him in a ring with Lesnar and the result was anything other than Lesnar pulling his throat out even the middling to casual fans would have none of that poo poo. Heyman has turned Lesnar into sweaty muscular gold and even a character that's actually over is going to struggle against that kind of crowd. Next week's RAW will be rebranded the Roman Reigns Power Hour, everybody will have to take turns saying how great he is, anyone who boo's will be quietly garroted by rosebuds dotted strategically throughout the crowd.
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Retromancer posted:Being a fan of WWE is like working in the WTC on 9/11.
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St Evan Echoes posted:Roman Reigns isn't hot enough to melt steel beams #askquestions Roman Reigns isn't got enough to melt butter at this point.
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Feb 24, 2015 12:37
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Sanguinia posted:Bray Wyatt was absolutely killing it and everybody loved his schtick until Cena ruined his credibility. For me, constantly singing "he's got the whole world" week in, week out is what killed Bray Wyatt. Much like you'd expect from the WWE, they took something interesting and drove it into the ground until you were sick of it and who was doing it. Cena being Cena is like the throwing fuel onto the fire of apathy regarding him.
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Feb 24, 2015 12:43
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Boy, is it super dumb to kill Randy's heat with this loving wishy-washy will he or won't he poo poo. God drat.
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Feb 24, 2015 12:50
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The Miz had a better Wrestlemania main event build. The loving Miz.
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I'm glad that of all the people or on the WWE roster, Randy Orton is probably the one I care the least about so it's one less thing for me to be annoyed at.
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Aurain posted:For me, constantly singing "he's got the whole world" week in, week out is what killed Bray Wyatt. Much like you'd expect from the WWE, they took something interesting and drove it into the ground until you were sick of it and who was doing it. Cena being Cena is like the throwing fuel onto the fire of apathy regarding him.
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sticklefifer posted:The Miz had a better Wrestlemania main event build. The loving Miz. If you run the numbers, you'll find that The Miz is awesome, where Roman Reigns needs losers to try to get the crowd to like him.
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It's going to get to the point where Vince McMahon will come down to the ring and tell everyone that they all like Roman Reigns and if they don't tough.
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I'm just loving depressed now, listening to Dave go on about how 99% chance that Bryan is just never going to break his ceiling, and the crowd is dying on him. I haven't even been watching, just listening to the Observers, and I feel like I just need to get away from wrestling period. On the other hand, I want to see this blow up in the WWE's face. I'm burning for it.
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Aurain posted:For me, constantly singing "he's got the whole world" week in, week out is what killed Bray Wyatt. Much like you'd expect from the WWE, they took something interesting and drove it into the ground until you were sick of it and who was doing it. Cena being Cena is like the throwing fuel onto the fire of apathy regarding him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx5W_xr2XFY 89 fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Feb 24, 2015 |
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Feb 24, 2015 12:59
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Please let me know when romin rains is out injured so I can watch wrestling again
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Auron posted:Please let me know when romin rains is out injured so I can watch wrestling again Last time Roman was injured wrestling was still bad so maybe you should wait till Vince is out instead..
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Last time Roman was injured wrestling was still bad so maybe you should wait till Vince is out instead.. All I remember is Ambrose being cool until getting squashed by a hologram. I don't remember the rest of the bad Ok that was awful
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Onmi posted:I'm just loving depressed now, listening to Dave go on about how 99% chance that Bryan is just never going to break his ceiling, and the crowd is dying on him. I feel exactly the same way, and honestly if it wasn't so damned easy to watch great non-WWE wrestling these days I'd have left a long time ago. Thankfully there's a lot of other stuff out there And as for this idea that WWE will keep making money no matter what, eventually there won't be any costs left to cut, and eventually fans will simply stop watching and move on to something else, whether it's UFC (unlikely now tbh) or Netflix or one of the other bajillion options there are now. If Cena retires and there's no-one hot enough to take his place then they are utterly hosed. TomWaitsForNoMan fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Feb 24, 2015 |
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Orgophlax posted:best part was Reigns being in a 30 minute promo and saying at most 50 words. Should have been that way from the start. Stoic badass is how he first got over and it wasn't until they decided to have him talk like a prick that people started to turn on him.
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I really don't understand the booking of Randy Orton. Everyone is so happy to see him back, he cuts a great fiery babyface promo to kick off the show. He "joins the Authority", which we of COURSE all know is just him playing games so he can turn on Seth and get his revenge... right? Well apparently, after watching the main event, Randy legitimately wanted to return to the Authority and forgive Seth, but Seth tagging himself in was just too much! They're getting to Seth vs Orton which is fine, but I think they're going about it the wrong way. Unless I misread the situation?
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Gonzo McFee posted:So Brock was backstage, advertised but not used. Nobody is talking about why, says Dave Meltzer. Backstage clips will be shown on SMackdown explaining that Lesnar was too scared of Reigns to come out, and that he wishes he was Reigns and that Reigns is very sexy and good
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If Vince walked down to the ring after Reigns won at Mania and raised Roman's hand with intense enthusiasm, i'm pretty sure i'd be far too busy cackling like a madman to bother throwing hot garbage into the ring. All is lost. All is lost.
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CubsWoo posted:If they keep telling us Roman Reigns is cool and good and popular we have to eventually baleedat, right Yes. It's working, too.
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TomWaitsForNoMan posted:If Cena retires and there's no-one hot enough to take his place then they are utterly hosed. Cena is the one guy they have that noticeably impacts the numbers, but it's not like he's a huge difference maker like the stars of the past. I'm sure they will lose fans, but it's a different business now. In the past people would have emptied out of the stands when the Royal Rumble fiasco went down. Now they hang around to poo poo on it. People are still invested in the brand and the fan community even when they're not happy with the direction. And the huge TV rights fees and the Network are the perfect business model to take advantage of the swaths of fans who are invested, but not invested enough to buy a $60 PPV every month. Spermgod fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Feb 24, 2015 |
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DannoMack posted:Yes. It's working, too. With who?
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Gonzo McFee posted:With who? 64% of voters!
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DannoMack posted:Yes. It's working, too. To the extent that he isn't getting booed out of the building in mark towns, yes. But also at the expense of diminishing everyone else on the card. Bryan will never be as hot as he was at wm30 and they've killed that wave dead. In five years triple h is going to put on a frowny interview and say they regret not riding Bryan while he was still hot just like he regretted cm punk getting saddled with Kevin Nash. I guarantee it.
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