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Zzulu posted:Warhammer Online, which was p bad, had a budget of nearly 40mil (some sources say 100m but i dont believe it) It's very possible to have a low-budget MMO work. You don't have to aim for being the next AAA WoW killer mainstream hit to be successful and profitable. Look at EVE. You don't need to break 1 million subscribers for your MMO to be a hit. A MMO could easily persist on 100k players or less as long as it has consistent growth. They're also (obviously) going for further external funding and investors after they've proven there's an installed fanbase for their game, rather than possibly compromising their niche vision with the traditional publisher/developer model. In addition, investors are starkly afraid of big budget MMOs after Wildstar and several other failures in the past few years. Yeah, Kickstarter is pretty goddamn dumb, but it works in this case. It works quite well. Cough Drop The Beat fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Feb 26, 2015 |
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I like the graphics they are planning. I always found realistic rendered stuff to be slightly creepy because there's always at least one point where they just look "off" to actual humans, especially once you throw quality sliders into the mix. Additionally, the proceduralness and art style should mean less costs, and possibly more features being implemented easier -- look at game mechanics in AAA MMOs with great graphics and game mechanics in MUDs, it's just that much easier to add more weird things when you don't have to make half a million high res textures and models imo
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Biowarfare posted:I like the graphics they are planning. I always found realistic rendered stuff to be slightly creepy because there's always at least one point where they just look "off" to actual humans, especially once you throw quality sliders into the mix. Project Gorgon proves your second point, from what the thread makes it sounds like
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Silento posted:Project Gorgon proves your second point, from what the thread makes it sounds like yep gorgon doesn't have a ton of flashy animations or graphics, but in the first dungeon you can lose a boss fight and be turned into a cow
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Eonwe posted:yep Is that what happened to your mother? 
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wow dude!!!!!!! gohan would never act like that
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Zzulu posted:I am a poor who cannot afford to drop $30 on entertainment. Dude, we get it.
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Fog Tripper posted:Dude, we get it. so leveling fair skepticism at a kickstarter means you're poor? do you know any poors?
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Killer Queen posted:A MMO could easily persist on 100k players or less as long as it has consistent growth. An MMO can stay small, as long as it keeps getting bigger!
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i declare this to be a judgment free zone
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Blazing Zero posted:so leveling fair skepticism at a kickstarter means you're poor? do you know any poors? Leveling skepticism over and over is pathetic. (I am counting all of the whiners about spending money in this and last thread, not just Zulu) I spent unrecalled  on Shadowbane way back in the days of yore. It was in perpetual broken state, but I still had fun. I imagine that an updated axpanded and improved version might be worth it, with less than I spent on the original iteration.$30 is chump change in the realm of entertainment. To whine about others spending money on a decent chance of entertainment unsolicited is yes, acting like a poor. If I am entertained for longer than two movies (I will probably enjoy beta much longer than a couple movies), it's a win. Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Feb 26, 2015 |
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you didn't read any of the words written by me or zzulu and wrote all those words based on that not-reading 
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They succeed and produce an entertaining game that's fun to play for a while. They produce a game that's uninteresting and I get to be smug and say I knew it was doomed to fail. They produce a game that's so hilariously broken that it's funny like a bad b-movie. The project implodes in forum drama, libellous tweets and angry blog posts, and no game ever sees the light of day. Either way it's entertainment value for money.
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Biowarfare posted:I like the graphics they are planning. I always found realistic rendered stuff to be slightly creepy because there's always at least one point where they just look "off" to actual humans, especially once you throw quality sliders into the mix.  Looks how well TF2's cartoon art style scales down. Everything is still uniquely identifiable and you don't really lose much in terms of readability.
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Subjunctive posted:An MMO can stay small, as long as it keeps getting bigger! Uh, consistent growth means not losing subscribers. If a MMO has 300k players, then it's a healthy game if it gains players relative to losses and sticks around at 300k. It doesn't mean that a small MMO has to gain massive subscribers every quarter and feature millions of players. This is essentially what EVE Online is like. It's a very successful niche title that doesn't boast huge numbers, yet it has pretty solid revenue. Cough Drop The Beat fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Feb 26, 2015 |
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Yeah, by that metric alone it's pretty easily justifiable to say EvE is the second most successful MMO ever made. Big numbers don't mean poo poo when they last for a single month.
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Fog Tripper posted:Leveling skepticism over and over is pathetic. (I am counting all of the whiners about spending money in this and last thread, not just Zulu) this isn't a judgement, but youre retarded
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The Shortest Path posted:Yeah, by that metric alone it's pretty easily justifiable to say EvE is the second most successful MMO ever made. Big numbers don't mean poo poo when they last for a single month. Nah, that's Everquest 1. That game still exists, with a half decent playerbase, and is releasing expansions to this day. There's been 21 expansions and there's been a yearly release since 2007. Nothing comes close for the most successful non-WoW MMO, if you're talking sheer revenue over the years.
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Fog Tripper posted:Leveling skepticism over and over is pathetic. (I am counting all of the whiners about spending money in this and last thread, not just Zulu) Well have I got a bridge to sell you. There's even a decent chance you'll get to cross it someday.
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When ever someone designs a siege map they have to compare it to what was probably the best siege map ever made. The basic ideas are here but most games get some not all of them. 3 sides spots for 3 way fights choke points large open areas with terrain you can hide in between the points neutral area you can level up in inside the pvp zone Fun classes ways to channel people to certain zones rewards for defending besides fun Warhammer online hosed up by having two sides, pve stuck outside of pvp, and general map design with their gated zones. And that whole armor tier bull poo poo with taking cities. GW2 corrected most of that and hosed up the rest. Classes got some weird rear end balancing issues. Some keeps were not far enough away from each letting you siege one from the other. Other keeps are too far turning a 3 way fight into only a 2v1. Some keeps are just too big and useless. Some keeps are so close to each other you can siege from one to the next. A lot of choke points are just missing as well. The entire thing has turned into a loot gear train where you avoid fights. But this game can promise anything since it doesn't exist.
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it is weird since the elder scrolls online figured out how to do a siege map but managed to just gently caress up like everything else and not understand issues in computing that have existed since the dawn of computers
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As long as it doesn't end up like Star Citizen, I think it'll be ok. Guys we just need to raise $325,000 for this exclusive pig spit roast and bespoke fireplace!
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I think I'll buy in for the kickstarter #2 held next year because Shadowbane was amazing.
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The birth of the pvp wildstar mmo.
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to be fair: as bad and scam as this is, this game has already been in the works for 2 years, actual trademarks and corporate entity since 2013, filed by actual lawyers i figure that's at least better than 99% of kickstarters
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Biowarfare posted:to be fair: as bad and scam as this is, this game has already been in the works for 2 years, actual trademarks and corporate entity since 2013, filed by actual lawyers Nexon should do a kickstarter to fund an innovative new mobile game where you buy anime clothes to dress up your character and,
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But tell me dear Eonwe -- how is the fishing?
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Icept posted:As long as it doesn't end up like Star Citizen, I think it'll be ok. Guys we just need to raise $325,000 for this exclusive pig spit roast and bespoke fireplace! That stuff is especially horrible because the staff will focus on making those rewards instead of a fleshed out game world
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Kimsemus posted:But tell me dear Eonwe -- how is the fishing? there must always be a fishing pact
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We need our 10k goon backers to e-mail the developers and demand the implementation of fishing, while threatening to back out.
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fishing is a part of it
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Biowarfare posted:fishing is a part of it Are there boats? I'm kind of hoping there aren't, since features like that make a game much harder to make
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Third World Reggin posted:I love that they made this This is the redflag that tells you to stay away.
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What are you talking about? Boats in Ultima Online worked perfectly fine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_i7SNXgeDo I was trying to find an old video of a boat ripping itself in half but instead I discovered that UO still exists and boats are still broken but in exciting and new ways.
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Eonwe you crazy bastard. You finally did it
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Third World Reggin posted:I love that they made this I love that half those games are resume embarrassments, yet they are proudly saying they were the greybeards behind such winners like Sims Online (a literal online brothel) and SWTOR (the biggest moneysink to date)
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online brothel = successful (also wizards101 has a really really creepy amount of adults playing it, for a literal childrens game)
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