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H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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LP0 ON FIRE posted:

it's not that netflix have been dicks really, net neutrality is just doing away with competition with other services. services that allow netflix will surely win over if it's popular enough to use

new rules also allow local governments to setup broadband networks despite state laws crafted w/ the help of the big ISPs

that's why they're pissed hth

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LP0 ON FIRE
Jan 25, 2006

beep boop

Nintendo Kid posted:

nobody "wasn't allowing netflix" netflix just refused to follow standard internet procedures used worldwide.

i know i'm saying if net neutrality didn't exist and rules against services blocking sites and stuff were a lot more lax

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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theadder posted:

this seems 2 be wrong

oh i guess not i only skimmed this article

quote:

Pai claimed that an Internet provider could "find itself in the FCC's crosshairs" if it doesn't want to offer unlimited data plans. The FCC's order does not actually ban data caps; instead, the FCC is claiming authority to intervene when companies use data caps to harm competitors or customers.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

LP0 ON FIRE posted:

i know i'm saying if net neutrality didn't exist and rules against services blocking sites and stuff were a lot more lax

yeah but nobody was going to block them regardless, is the thing.

other than discount mobile isps, like how metropcs used to do before tmo bought them lol

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

a medium-format picture of beeftweeter staring silently at the camera, a quizzical expression on his face
also lmao @ the pure unbridled level of OOOOOBBBBAAAAMMMMAAAAA :argh: here

quote:

Let me start by issuing apologies. First, I am just sick about what Chairman Wheeler was forced to go through during this process. It was disgraceful to have the Administration overtake the commission’s rulemaking process and dictate an outcome for pure political purposes. It is so disturbing to know that those efforts were about illegitimately pushing a larger political cause mostly unrelated to technology. This administration went so far beyond what has ever been attempted, and its inappropriate interference in the commission’s activities will forever change this institution.

Additionally, I am sorry to the staff members that were forced to prepare a half-baked, illogical, internally inconsistent, and indefensible document. For an institution that prides itself on quality of work and legal and technical expertise, this document is anything but. I guess that an artificial deadline to meet the radical protestors’ demands means that it is more likely that this item gets overturned by the courts because the work and thoughtful analysis needed to actually defend this completely flawed agenda is not included in the text.

Today, a majority of the commission attempts to usurp the authority of Congress by re-writing the Communications Act to suit its own “values” and political ends.

thats a statement from one of the republicans who voted against this

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

Stymie posted:

it is bad because it will benefit google and other large online companies at the expense of customers

yeah. congrats you idiots. hope you enjoy paying google for poo poo you don't want.

Cat Face Joe
Feb 20, 2005

goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes



but that's googles business model currently

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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countdown until lowtacks receives a letter from the FCC demanding that LF be reopened

wyoak
Feb 14, 2005

a glass case of emotion

Fallen Rib

Shaggar posted:

yeah. congrats you idiots. hope you enjoy paying google for poo poo you don't want.

why would i pay google anything, i'm the product

DaNzA
Sep 11, 2001

:D
Grimey Drawer

Chinatown posted:

this wont load for me lol

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Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

wyoak posted:

why would i pay google anything, i'm the product

you will pay through increased ISP subscription costs. however, its still highly likely that this just causes ISPs to abandon new infrastructure improvements at their edges. either way its a terrible day for the internet.

cremnob
Jun 30, 2010

Shaggar posted:

you will pay through increased ISP subscription costs. however, its still highly likely that this just causes ISPs to abandon new infrastructure improvements at their edges. either way its a terrible day for the internet.

that or they go to pay per use which would make me lol super hard cause the big net neutrality proponents also torrent 24/7

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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Shaggar posted:

you will pay through increased ISP subscription costs. however, its still highly likely that this just causes ISPs to abandon new infrastructure improvements at their edges. either way its a terrible day for the internet.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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fyi data caps and associated fees for both broadband and mobile are now covered in the new rules and are a big part of why at&t is all pissy about it

cremnob
Jun 30, 2010

how do u even know what the rules are they havent released them. they've also said they aren't going to regulate rates

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison
if shaggar, fishmech, stymie, verizon, and att are against something then you know it must be the best loving thing since sliced bread so I am v pleased with today's news

wyoak
Feb 14, 2005

a glass case of emotion

Fallen Rib

Shaggar posted:

you will pay through increased ISP subscription costs. however, its still highly likely that this just causes ISPs to abandon new infrastructure improvements at their edges. either way its a terrible day for the internet.

yes those ISP's were certainly diligent about infrastructure upgrades before
for real though if the pipes get too clogged with porn wouldn't this just make the big providers lease more space in carrier datacenters for CDN's and junk

also does any of this have any chance of changing anything in the next 5 years

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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cremnob posted:

how do u even know what the rules are they havent released them. they've also said they aren't going to regulate rates

they released a summary, idiot

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

uncurable mlady posted:

if shaggar, fishmech, stymie, verizon, and att are against something then you know it must be the best loving thing since sliced bread so I am v pleased with today's news

i'm not against it, moron.

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison
the only difference this is going to make in the short term is when isps and mobile carriers do their annual 'jack up rates because gently caress you' they'll be able to cry about Obama rather than making up some other excuse


in the medium term you can at least sue them for doing that

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

Nintendo Kid posted:

i'm not against it, moron.

quantum goalposts, observing their placement causes them to change state

burning swine
May 26, 2004



finally, we can clear the great packet backlog of 2014

cremnob
Jun 30, 2010

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

they released a summary, idiot

post the summary

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

uncurable mlady posted:

quantum goalposts, observing their placement causes them to change state

i have never opposed net neutrality

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

wyoak posted:

yes those ISP's were certainly diligent about infrastructure upgrades before
yeah ISP networks have massively increased in bandwidth and coverage over the last 10 years.

quote:

for real though if the pipes get too clogged with porn wouldn't this just make the big providers lease more space in carrier datacenters for CDN's and junk
this is banned by net neut because really stupid shitheads think its unfair

quote:

also does any of this have any chance of changing anything in the next 5 years
depends on if the telcos can fight it in court.

cremnob
Jun 30, 2010

uncurable mlady posted:

the only difference this is going to make in the short term is when isps and mobile carriers do their annual 'jack up rates because gently caress you' they'll be able to cry about Obama rather than making up some other excuse


in the medium term you can at least sue them for doing that

they are specifically not going to regulate rates ISPs can charge so no u cant

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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cremnob posted:

post the summary

why don't you just google it crebnob

Jenny Agutter
Mar 18, 2009

cox increased my rate again this month. i pray for double net neutrality

cremnob
Jun 30, 2010

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

why don't you just google it crebnob

because i think ur lying

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

my comcast bill goes up .70-1.50 every couple months and I've never been able to figure out why

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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cremnob posted:

because i think ur lying

[FCC Commissioner] Pai claimed that an Internet provider could "find itself in the FCC's crosshairs" if it doesn't want to offer unlimited data plans. The FCC's order does not actually ban data caps; instead, the FCC is claiming authority to intervene when companies use data caps to harm competitors or customers.

for real crabnob you are dumb as gently caress


czech it out here

and here

and here

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
also make sure you get in touch with your local councilman so you can discus kickbacks and how best to shovel unlimited municipal bonds into your new networking company.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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Shaggar posted:

also make sure you get in touch with your local councilman so you can discus kickbacks and how best to shovel unlimited municipal bonds into your new networking company.

public networks aren't companies and are instead called "public services" which tend to have a bit more transparency and accountability than some corporate stockholders' board

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

public networks aren't companies and are instead called "public services" which tend to have a bit more transparency and accountability than some corporate stockholders' board

nah a lot of municipalities really do have a bad habit of making them private companies once the network's built. especially when the initial structure is a co-op.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

the following are both true according to verizon and comcast:
  • municipal networks are unfair competition because they can undercut on price
  • everything the government does cost a trillion dollars and only the free market can deliver competitive services

cremnob
Jun 30, 2010

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

[FCC Commissioner] Pai claimed that an Internet provider could "find itself in the FCC's crosshairs" if it doesn't want to offer unlimited data plans. The FCC's order does not actually ban data caps; instead, the FCC is claiming authority to intervene when companies use data caps to harm competitors or customers.

for real crabnob you are dumb as gently caress


czech it out here

and here

and here

there's nothing in the summary about caps

Jenny Agutter
Mar 18, 2009

Nintendo Kid posted:

nah a lot of municipalities really do have a bad habit of making them private companies once the network's built. especially when the initial structure is a co-op.

still a better outcome than the current situation of isp agreements carving the country into local monopolies

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

public networks aren't companies and are instead called "public services" which tend to have a bit more transparency and accountability than some corporate stockholders' board

lmao

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

i guess NUT NEUTRALITY DOES have poo poo on Verizion/ATT

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Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

qirex posted:

the following are both true according to verizon and comcast:
  • municipal networks are unfair competition because they can undercut on price
  • everything the government does cost a trillion dollars and only the free market can deliver competitive services

they undercut on price by borrowing unlimited funds since debt isn't a problem for government organizations.

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