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Busta Chimes.wav posted:still a better outcome than the current situation of isp agreements carving the country into local monopolies most of the time that only happens in cities and its because the local city gov is being paid to do it.
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Feb 26, 2015 23:02
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pagancow posted:Not clear if this ruling disallows private companies from sticking a CDN directly on an ISP's network and pay for it. yes. that's a fast lane and since it would provide better service to customers its banned under net neut.
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Feb 26, 2015 23:03
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I guess it's how the FCC places regulations on broadband service something tells me this will change since the FCC can just set rules and regulations at will becuase of title II
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Feb 26, 2015 23:05
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qirex posted:my comcast bill goes up .70-1.50 every couple months and I've never been able to figure out why they're really bad. i switched to centurylink over the summer and my bill has been $30 and change for 40/5 ever since.
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Feb 26, 2015 23:09
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Shaggar posted:most of the time that only happens in cities and its because the local city gov is being paid to do it. 80% of the US population lives in a "city"
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qirex posted:my comcast bill goes up .70-1.50 every couple months and I've never been able to figure out why and even more lol for the people who rent the lovely modem/router combo so comcast can setup the xfinity hotspot through them while getting free power from the home owner then the home owner get hit with the rate hike on the equipment rental anyway
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Feb 26, 2015 23:17
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didn't read the thread; have the blood gates finally been opened?
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duTrieux. posted:didn't read the thread; have the blood gates finally been opened? obama still needs to Complete the Ritual
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qirex posted:obama still needs to Complete the Ritual thanks, obama 
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Feb 26, 2015 23:26
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Shaggar posted:you will pay through increased ISP subscription costs. however, its still highly likely that this just causes ISPs to abandon new infrastructure improvements at their edges. either way its a terrible day for the internet. we're really going to suffer now  
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Feb 26, 2015 23:29
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ugh, gross, why isn't that transparent title II!
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duTrieux. posted:thanks, obama do you know how hard it is to find a real seventh son of a seventh son?
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Feb 26, 2015 23:31
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can the FCC force ISPs to allow resellers like for pots networks under these rules?
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Feb 26, 2015 23:32
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SYSV Fanfic posted:can the FCC force ISPs to allow resellers like for pots networks under these rules? it specifically does not include unbundling
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Busta Chimes.wav posted:it specifically does not include unbundling thats really the only thing i'm disappointed with. that and the knowledge that i'll never get a municipal network around here but even if i do it will be implemented in the absolute worst way possible and have a bunch of retarded restrictions because of rick scott
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anyone who actually thinks ISPs haven't been doing anything is really dumb. ISPs spend billions of dollars every year which is why municipal broadband is going to be really hilarious. u think ppl are gonna pay more in property taxes in a few years when they try to keep up with private companies in capex spending? lol municipal internet will be stuck in the past and then u will realize just how much comcast, verizon, etc actually do invest
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Feb 26, 2015 23:50
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cremnob posted:ISPs spend billions of dollars every year lmao no they dont
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the government gave the isps two hundred billion earth dollars in tax breaks and local monopoly power in exchange for serving rural areas and they not only didn't do it they asked for more
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Beeftweeter posted:lmao no they dont well sure they do, they just spend it on advertising and lobbying.
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Elder Postsman posted:well sure they do, they just spend it on advertising and lobbying. maybe collectively
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Beeftweeter posted:maybe collectively in 2013 verizon spent 2.4 billion, att spent 2.9 billion, and comcast spent 3 billion. on advertising.
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Elder Postsman posted:in 2013 verizon spent 2.4 billion, att spent 2.9 billion, and comcast spent 3 billion. on advertising. now do bonuses
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then  actual infrastructure
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ATT was nice enough to put a u-verse gateway on my block
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qirex posted:80% of the US population lives in a "city" I mean real cities where isp competition should be a thing but isn't. in the vast majority of places where there is little competition it is entirely due to the costs of establishing a network and the low return on a small population and not laws preventing competition. qirex posted:the government gave the isps two hundred billion earth dollars in tax breaks and local monopoly power in exchange for serving rural areas and they not only didn't do it they asked for more actually they did exactly what they were asked to do and made broadband (defined as 768k+) available to the majority of the us as well as establishing the massive cell data network that we have now. more money would of course be needed to serve those out in the boonies. personally I think they should move to civilization instead of demanding someone else pay for it. Beeftweeter posted:lmao no they dont lol. net neuts cant deal with the fact that isps have massively increased the size and capacity of their networks so they have to shove their heads in the sand to pretend it isn't real
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ahaha when clicked the actual story has a different title
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SYSV Fanfic posted:can the FCC force ISPs to allow resellers like for pots networks under these rules? this was already tried and doesn't work because surprise surprise networks actually cost money to build and maintain and are not unlimited magic like net neuts would have you believe
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AT&T spokesman Mark Siegel said the company invested $11.8 billion into its wireless and wireline network in the first six months of 2014. He said the carrier confirmed in July that it expects to spend a total of around $21 billion this year on its network.
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Speaking at the UBS Annual Global Media And Communications Conference today, Shammo said that Verizon continues to expect to spend roughly $17 billion this year on capital expenses across its wireless and wireline business, which he said is at the high end of the carrier's guidance for the year.
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hmm yeah let's file bonuses, advertising, and lobbying costs into whatever "infrastructure" is supposed to be
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cremnob posted:AT&T spokesman Mark Siegel said the company invested $11.8 billion into its wireless and wireline network in the first six months of 2014. He said the carrier confirmed in July that it expects to spend a total of around $21 billion this year on its network. how much of that was actually invested into real internet infrastructure, not wireless bullshit
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Beeftweeter posted:how much of that was actually invested into real internet infrastructure, not wireless bullshit the wireless poo poo is why the countryside has coverage with cell phones at all
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zen death robot posted:I'm sure they'll still make plenty of money while being classified as a utility nope, internet is dead
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Beeftweeter posted:how much of that was actually invested into real internet infrastructure, not wireless bullshit yeah, it's awfully convenient that they don't separate wireless and wired capex. at&t just spent $18.2 billion and verizon $10.4 billion on wireless spectrum. http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/aws-3-auction-results-att-leads-182b-verizon-104b-dish-10b-and-t-mobile-18b/2015-01-30 now you can blow through your 1GB/month cap in just a few minutes, with each additional gigabyte automatically billed at what i'm sure are incredibly fair prices
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Nintendo Kid posted:the wireless poo poo is why the countryside has coverage with cell phones at all so? idgaf if the countryside has cell coverage, their wireline service is subsidized and i would bet that money is factored into their "infrastructure investment" costs even though they didnt pay a goddamn penny of it
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pagancow posted:Not clear if this ruling disallows private companies from sticking a CDN directly on an ISP's network and pay for it. does not prevent it. hosting closer to the end user is already the status quo, regardless of the fcc ruling. Shaggar posted:yes. that's a fast lane and since it would provide better service to customers its banned under net neut. no. you are wrong. a fast lane is arbitrarily blocking/policing traffic on the transit ingress and then requiring that traffic originator (netflix) or customer to pay for access to a direct peering link.
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