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faxlore
Sep 24, 2014

a blue star tattoo for you!

really isnt that bad i dont know what everyone is saying i mean come on guys

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triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



:firstpost:

faxlore
Sep 24, 2014

a blue star tattoo for you!

thanks for the pity reply friend i am not good at threads

theadder
Dec 30, 2011


yes

pram
Jun 10, 2001
its a piece of poo poo

Plank Walker
Aug 11, 2005
my ap java teacher in high school said he hated java primarily for the all stupid coffee/bean puns that were everywhere and that's a good enough reason for me to dislike it too

There Will Be Penalty
May 18, 2002

Makes a great pet!
factory factories

exe cummings
Jan 22, 2005

It doesn't matter what you write code in anymore

Cat Face Joe
Feb 20, 2005

goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes



du -hast
Mar 12, 2003

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT GENTOO

pram
Jun 10, 2001
i hate java. tomcat. weblogic. websphere. all manner of beans. suns legacy is a blight on this fine earth

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

cthulhoo
Jun 18, 2012

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

pram posted:

all manner of beans.

mods

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder

Garbd
Dec 29, 2008

java is the boring lang op, it is what the most boring people use. same with eclipse, which is the boring ide

Valeyard
Mar 30, 2012


Grimey Drawer

Plank Walker posted:

my ap java teacher in high school said he hated java primarily for the all stupid coffee/bean puns that were everywhere and that's a good enough reason for me to dislike it too

my "advanced programming" teacher told us we couldnt get a job in industry without C experience and then set us an exercise worth 10% of the class's final grade around implmenting a hashmap in java - as he believed java didnt have any map implementations. and then he retired from being head of the school. ftw

Valeyard fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Feb 28, 2015

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

lol if your computer classes actually went higher than ms office and maybe dreamweaver from a book if you get done fast

Doctor Goat
Jan 22, 2005

Where does it hurt?
i took c# and java last semester and i have no reason to ever want touch java again

this might partially be b/c my teacher demanded we never use any sort of UI designer and do all work in Swing and do it without help

how's the open source c# thing coming along? not mono, the open source .net

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



Doctor Goat posted:

i took c# and java last semester and i have no reason to ever want touch java again

this might partially be b/c my teacher demanded we never use any sort of UI designer and do all work in Swing and do it without help

how's the open source c# thing coming along? not mono, the open source .net

pretty well, but if you pay attention you end up noticing that it's mostly ms employees making issues on the repo, and those same employees are the ones writing all the code because they assign the issues to themselves. it's weird

they mentioned in a chat that they wanna clarify which issues are actually up for grabs but it'll be interesting to see how things pan out over time

Sweeper
Nov 29, 2007
The Joe Buck of Posting
Dinosaur Gum

pram posted:

i hate java. tomcat. weblogic. websphere. all manner of beans. suns legacy is a blight on this fine earth

sun was a great company you shut your mouth

Meat Beat Agent
Aug 5, 2007

felonious assault with a sproinging boner

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe
java is good. things like tomcat and jetty are pretty good app servers.

all of java ee is so mind bendingly bad and stupid and i'm convinced parts of it were designed by literal retards.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:

java is good. things like tomcat and jetty are pretty good app servers.

all of java ee is so mind bendingly bad and stupid and i'm convinced parts of it were designed by literal retards.

yea. literal retards designed complex computer software. not just eat childrens food, throw tantrums, and function at a lower level than "normal" people. are you reading your own posts? loving moron.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan
drat...

Maximum Leader
Dec 5, 2014
im doing wildfly, it seems kind of gay tbh. i have no idea what a stateless bean is but i power through and hopefully will create a passable project somehow.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:

java is good. things like tomcat and jetty are pretty good app servers.

all of java ee is so mind bendingly bad and stupid and i'm convinced parts of it were designed by literal retards.

lol implementing their spec is a world of hurt

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮

came to post this haha

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe

Smythe posted:

yea. literal retards designed complex computer software. not just eat childrens food, throw tantrums, and function at a lower level than "normal" people. are you reading your own posts? loving moron.

the jsf spec is literally drool and poop smears on paper

Plastic Snake
Mar 2, 2005
For Halloween or scaring people.
I don't know why you'd ever use Java ee these days. spring is good

fack you
Sep 12, 2002

For Life
dagger, undertow, jackson, mithril is pro-est stack

The Leck
Feb 27, 2001

the small amount of java i've done has been pretty ok and it would be a welcome change from the vba i usually have to deal with.

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
java is a decent language but everything else in the Java ecosystem, from IDE to servers, stacks, and runtimes are all huge piles of garbage. the coders are garbage, too.

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



actually intellij is cool and good

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe

The Management posted:

java is a decent language but everything else in the Java ecosystem, from IDE to servers, stacks, and runtimes are all huge piles of garbage. the coders are garbage, too.

java programmer spotted lol

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

pram posted:

its a piece of poo poo

dsyp

faxlore
Sep 24, 2014

a blue star tattoo for you!

rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:

java programmer spotted lol

java hater spotted, this isn't the thread for you friend

Jerry Bindle
May 16, 2003
java is great when you're using good APIs like those in the JDK, NetBeans, or guava. java is hell when you're using APIs made by bad java programmers

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PleasingFungus
Oct 10, 2012
idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off
pre:
YOSPOSers–

I came across an article yesterday morning about
a nonfunctional (or, is it dysfunctional?) programmer's
experience learning Scala:

     http://www.vasinov.com/blog/16-months-of-functional-programming/

The article makes some interesting points—and mentions some
of the failings of the brain-dead, for-the-monkeys languages
like Java:

- immutability allows for cleaner code that's less
  error-prone; multithreading is easy without shared mutible
  state

- first-class functions allow for modularity, abstraction,
  and code reüse

- pattern matching allows compact, readable,
  straight-forward destructuring / examination of data

- comprehensions provide a tool for concisely expressing
  transformations

- type inference reduces the work on the programmer without
  sacrificing type safety

- type variance is totally broken in Java; Scala failed to
  make this error

- Scala has lazy and by-name variables / parameters which
  are annoying (at best) to simulate in languages like Java

–but– Much more than this, functional programming is a tool
to expand one's mind, to see things differently, to approach
problems from a new (and, we in the functional community
would argue, better) perspective:

     ‘The reason that functional programming forces you
     to learn so much is because it challenges every
     assumption about writing software that you had.’

Scala seems to hava a lot af ‘haters’ in YOSPOS, although
none of them has ever presented a valid technical argument
against the language or a valid technical claim suggesting
that it wouldn't make code shorter, cleaner, more
moduler, and easier to maintain.

I was recalling fondly during a conversation the other
evening that YOSPOS once valued learning, growth, and good
ideas … These days, it seems that the only things that
anyone cares about is Jira tickets, immediate-short-term
goals, and separating investors from their money. When did
we lose our way?

–and– For those who still care about learning and exposing
themselves to new ideas, I just heard of this Coursera
course about reactive programming:

     https://www.coursera.org/course/reactive

Come for the functions and monads; stay for the actors!

//cheers
~PleasingFungus

plays Principled Engineer @ com.yospos.engineering.core.content
Since 1834 *not* a member of Solutions.

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