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I saw this picture and it reminded me of all the times our MA asked me to be the duty meat gazer and that was before I saw you were quoting me.
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PneumonicBook posted:They matter at chiefs boards. Those marks are usually moved around depending on where you fall ranking wise. For instance, I had to lower someone's eo block to get them a higher leadership score but maintaing the trait average. pure bull, what happened to evaluations actually evaluating sailors instead of bsing it to fit some narrative the drat khakis make up. 
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Apparently they used to do that, and everyone just got a 4. That is unless you had someone who rated you based on the actual instruction and then screwed you by not giving you a 4. So it's either gently caress over some of the people all of the time, or all of the people some of the time. But don't mind me, I've got a pretty big "gently caress you I've got mine" attitude going right now. But it's actually because I got to home from my shift to watch all the people coming in in their dress blues in the snow/rain. Now I am on my couch, chillin' out while it's pouring rain outside, and not giving any fucks because it's Friday (and also the equinox).
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Mar 20, 2015 11:00
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Sir Lucius posted:I've got a pretty big "gently caress you I've got mine" attitude going right now.  Sir Lucius posted:Apparently they used to do that, and everyone just got a 4. You mean people got promoted almost entirely based of their rate exam and actual job knowledge instead of sucking a whole bag of these? blasphemy 
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Mar 20, 2015 11:25
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Hey, some of those exam questions are on military bearing which I know gently caress all about. And please don't accuse me of being a chief, that's hurtful.
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Mar 20, 2015 11:43
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Arione posted:You mean people got promoted almost entirely based of their rate exam and actual job knowledge instead of sucking a whole bag of these? blasphemy I bet your division couldn't function without you,right?
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Mar 20, 2015 12:35
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vulturesrow posted:I bet your division couldn't function without you,right? guess we're about to find out. I check out in a few months. . . till then. 
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Mar 20, 2015 13:02
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Arione posted:guess we're about to find out. I check out in a few months. . . till then. You're whining about the eval process is tired ground. If you don't want to play the game get out of the navy and experience a somewhat less institutionalised version of the same thing. At no point has the navy or even American society ever been close to a meritocracy.
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Mar 20, 2015 16:47
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There is so much junior sailor angst in here it's loving hilarious.
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Mar 20, 2015 17:10
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PneumonicBook posted:There is so much junior sailor angst in here it's loving hilarious. I'm learning a ton!
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Mar 20, 2015 18:10
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LingcodKilla posted:I'm learning a ton! I don't normally worry about the older guys we get going through A school because they are either lazy fuckups that are exactly the same as junior guys, or are super motivated because they joined late in life. I was looking up some reserve things the other day, you can't use US MAPS, but you CAN use Navy COOL. If you joined for IT training to transfer civilian side then you should take a look at it. The Navy will pay for you to take certification tests, the only penalty for failing is the Navy won't pay for you to retest.
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Mar 20, 2015 18:29
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Sir Lucius posted:Apparently they used to do that, and everyone just got a 4. That is unless you had someone who rated you based on the actual instruction and then screwed you by not giving you a 4. It was pretty much this. If an E-5 or E-6 did not get all 4.0 on every eval they had nearly zero chance of picking up rank.
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PneumonicBook posted:I don't normally worry about the older guys we get going through A school because they are either lazy fuckups that are exactly the same as junior guys, or are super motivated because they joined late in life. Can confirm Navy COOL is the coolest thing ever and if you don't use it while you say you plan to have a career that requires a certification, you're an idiot. So many of these corpsmen with their butts hurt about their evals spout on about "I'll challenge the LVN test and be a nurse and then Chief will HAVE to salute me hahahaha!" just get out and pay up the rear end for LVN licenses when they could have gotten it for free. You send up your chit, figure out your exam dates, study for the exams you need to take, turn it in (hell in some cases you get the exam sent to you and it's and easy A), get your cert and be prepared to move on.
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ded posted:It was pretty much this. If an E-5 or E-6 did not get all 4.0 on every eval they had nearly zero chance of picking up rank. Thank goodness I don't want this kind of responsibility.
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Mar 20, 2015 20:22
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PneumonicBook posted:There is so much junior sailor angst in here it's loving hilarious. Better than SWO chat.
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Mar 20, 2015 20:55
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Vriess posted:Better than SWO chat. Yes absolutely.
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Mar 20, 2015 21:42
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PneumonicBook posted:I don't normally worry about the older guys we get going through A school because they are either lazy fuckups that are exactly the same as junior guys, or are super motivated because they joined late in life. Yes.... I've heard about the paying for certs but nothing official. I'll take a look this COOL thing I've never heard of tonight. Still no official contact with Reserves. I understand someday they will get in contact with me.
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Mar 20, 2015 21:48
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LingcodKilla posted:Yes.... I've heard about the paying for certs but nothing official. I'll take a look this COOL thing I've never heard of tonight. Still no official contact with Reserves. I understand someday they will get in contact with me. alternatively, they'll never get in contact with you
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Nwabudike Morgan posted:alternatively, they'll never get in contact with you You give me hope.
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PneumonicBook posted:Yes absolutely. Hey guys I got selected for pilot. I mean I guess that's alright? Not really what I want to do tho....
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poopkitty posted:In that case be a female corpsman. Ours on USS Oneofmyships was charging for late night medical visits. Did she get busted, or is this just something that the females aboard ship "know"?
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Sir Lucius posted:But it's actually because I got to home from my shift to watch all the people coming in in their dress blues in the snow/rain. That'd be me broheim. Nothing better on a snowy day than walking around in 600 bucks worth of uniform. vulturesrow posted:I bet your division couldn't function without you,right? I love the eye-rolling I get when I try to explain to junior folks that we are all BY DESIGN expendable. Could literally take a bullet in the head tomorrow or get hit by a bus and somebody else would be there to take the reins. The same can be said up and down the ranks, including GO/FOs as far as I'm concerned. Somewhere there is a terminal 3-star waiting for that 4-star to croak so he can tack 1 more on by technicality. buttplug fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Mar 21, 2015 |
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Mar 21, 2015 00:18
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buttplug posted:I love the eye-rolling I get when I try to explain to junior folks that we are all BY DESIGN expendable. Could literally take a bullet in the head tomorrow or get hit by a bus and somebody else would be there to take the reins. The same can be said up and down the ranks, including GO/FOs as far as I'm concerned. Somewhere there is a terminal 3-star waiting for that 4-star to croak so he can tack 1 more on by technicality. I think a lot of it is when you're a junior sailor you only really see things at the junior sailor level. A common thing I saw (and participated in) was when we'd get a new LPO and we'd all be pissed that instead of changing the bullshit they would defend the bullshit. Like normally there's a big picture reason for the policies set in place and the how and why of things that you don't really get exposed to unless you're at that level. Nostalgia4Dicks posted:Hey guys I got selected for pilot. I mean I guess that's alright? Not really what I want to do tho.... I remember that, forgot who said it though.
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It's something you literally just aren't exposed to at more junior ranks. Even on the "O" side, a lot of the disgruntled JOs you find out there are disgruntled because they don't understand "why" things are the way they are...simply because they've never had that exposure. After a couple years in, you've sat in the right meetings (hopefully), seen how decisions are made at very senior levels, and are generally privy to the "so what" behind the rationale of how decisions are made and it changes your perspective on things significantly. There are definitely good reasons (contextually-speaking) for how decisions are made in the military that at the time are sound and sensible, but hindsight is always 20/20. Sometimes you get it right (in hindsight) and sometimes you bomb.
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buttplug posted:Did she get busted, or is this just something that the females aboard ship "know"? Both. We knew, and she was lending out the key for other trysts. She lent the key one night to a BM3, supposedly for a date night. Turns out BM3 had been dating HMC and just wanted to wreck his stuff. That was a fun deployment. She was a fat homely girl, too. (HM3. BM3 was loving hot. She's married to an SO1 now.)
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PneumonicBook posted:I think a lot of it is when you're a junior sailor you only really see things at the junior sailor level multiple UICs at command UIC A geta 6 P's, UIC B gets 2 EP's 1MP 2 P's, all sailors are in the same division performing the same watches, only thing different is after the OIC the real OIC's are 2 different o4's. female gave flat P's male gave actual pma's
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poopkitty posted:(HM3. BM3 was loving hot. She's married to an SO1 now.) Hot-hot or boat hot? 
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Arione posted:multiple UICs at command UIC A geta 6 P's, UIC B gets 2 EP's 1MP 2 P's, all sailors are in the same division performing the same watches, only thing different is after the OIC the real OIC's are 2 different o4's. female gave flat P's male gave actual pma's You're really being a baby about this. I've never seen a sailor get anything but a P on an initial frocked eval.Sound like your OIC is the one that did it right. Also why is your OIC's gender relevant?
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I got an MP on my E4 frock eval.
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Evals in civilian jobs are dumb too. The difference is that your eval is rarely used for anything beyond taking space on a HR managers hard drive. I've heard that some big companies are looking to do away with annual Evals completely due to the needless amount of extra work they create.
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bengy81 posted:Evals in civilian jobs are dumb too. mine doesn't have any effect on promotion potential and can't be used in future hiring decisions, so yep.
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bengy81 posted:Evals in civilian jobs are dumb too. The difference is that your eval is rarely used for anything beyond taking space on a HR managers hard drive. Yup. I got a perfect "ten" on a eval at my old company but got passed for a ten year younger Marine reservist with barely a year in the company and a so-so review. The branch manager (marine reservist officer) told me he wanted to go in a different direction with his management team. Evals mean poo poo. Be sure to blow your management team and add a rimjob if you know what's good for you. Nothing's different in the real world you guys. I showed them though. I joined the Navy!
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bengy81 posted:Evals in civilian jobs are dumb too. The difference is that your eval is rarely used for anything beyond taking space on a HR managers hard drive. The ones in my office are great Boss comes in "Thanks for not being a drain on everyone and doing your job correctly. Here's a raise and a high five, please continue not being a gently caress up. Do you have any questions?" Seriously, thats what has happened at every single one
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We didn't have any accidents with our trucks and managed to not lose any money in transit for a six month so we got bagels for breakfast and an atta boy one day but the food came after the morning crews left for the day so our version of POGS ate it all and we got stale food nine hours after. I'm assuming the navy is similar but without the food or atta boys.
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Doctor Sex Butts posted:I got an MP on my E4 frock eval. Congrats
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LingcodKilla posted:We didn't have any accidents with our trucks and managed to not lose any money in transit for a six month so we got bagels for breakfast and an atta boy one day but the food came after the morning crews left for the day so our version of POGS ate it all and we got stale food nine hours after. That was an accomplishment? 
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Flikken posted:That was an accomplishment? in the same sense that the dui counter hitting 180 is, sure
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krispykremessuck posted:in the same sense that the dui counter hitting 180 is, sure I work in the same industry as he did, different company, and in my 6 years I have only seen 4 accidents and 1 lost piece.
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Flikken posted:I work in the same industry as he did, different company, and in my 6 years I have only seen 4 accidents and 1 lost piece. During my last year we had at least three accidents (one major), two marines shoot off their pistols (one in the cab disabling his truck)(other into a locker), I found a sealed bag missing 2k, another dude got fired for losing a bag of coins worth $30 and a newish employee got caught stealing cash from an ATM the month after I left. In seven years I've been in one major accident and 3 minors but I've only gotten assaulted(which is pretty drat rare) once and never lost anything.
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