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VJeff posted:I honestly legitimately think if Phaneuf played with Kronwall, it'd be pretty cool. He's sort of a caveman, but Babcock's gotten more out of less before and playing with guys like Kronwall and Datsyuk will make anyone better. If the Leafs had been willing to retain salary, I'dve been quite on board with the trade for actual tangible assets. Yeah sounds like the Wings weren't looking to give up a lot and the Leafs didn't actually have a pressing need to move Phaneuf today so they were never really going to sync up. I think Phaneuf will always be frustrating in his own end but you acquire a guy like him to step up and shoot pucks. So of course Carlyle spent his entire tenure convincing him to back off and play on a side where he has a worse shooting angle.
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Krime posted:Rutherford... what in the hell is that poo poo trading Despres for Lovejoy? Pens wanted more playoff experience on D, and have a stable of good-but-entirely-too-young-as-of-today defensemen playing in WBS. I don't love the move but it's not like they traded for Lovejoy for him to be a world beater and it's not like Depres was so at the very least I get the logic but goddamn I hope it pans out.
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Why are so many fans here down on Despres? I haven't seen him play but the general pens opinion elsewhere on the web seems to be that this was a massive steal for anaheim. Hes a first round pick, 23, pretty good numbers considering his age. Whats wrong with him?
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Austrian mook posted:Just how good is Wiz? His HERO chart looks pretty good but I haven't really heard much about him. 51 points (I think) a season ago. PPQB, cruise missile of a shot from the point. ...but that shot only gets off if he doesn't fail to keep the puck in/have it hop over his stick and create a chance the other way, doubly frustrating if it allows a shortie. He doesn't QUITE play Jack Johnson's Sportgame, but he'd be the defenseman skating backward on the 2-on-1 JMFJ would allow when he (Jack) pinched too hard.
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Austrian mook posted:Why are so many fans here down on Despres? I haven't seen him play but the general pens opinion elsewhere on the web seems to be that this was a massive steal for anaheim. Hes a first round pick, 23, pretty good numbers considering his age. Whats wrong with him? He's inconsistent and even at his best times he seems to not be fantastic. I mean, Anaheim probably "won" the trade and it is strange from the Penguins, but I don't think it's crazy. So he'll probably turn into an annual Norris winner in 2 years
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It is infuriating that the Ducks got Wisniewski, he would have been perfect for the Sharks.
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I feel like Jarmo is gathering picks to try to get Eichel.
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tofes posted:It is infuriating that the Ducks got Wisniewski, he would have been perfect for the Sharks. Dont forget tofes. One step backwards, two steps backwards. We've only taken one back so far.
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sportsgenius86 posted:I feel like Jarmo is gathering picks to try to get Eichel. Any GM that trades out of the top two should immediately be fired for being drunk on the job.
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Austrian mook posted:Why are so many fans here down on Despres? I haven't seen him play but the general pens opinion elsewhere on the web seems to be that this was a massive steal for anaheim. Hes a first round pick, 23, pretty good numbers considering his age. Whats wrong with him? He is very bad at handling the puck in his own end. For every correct decision he makes two bad ones. He's prone to roam away from his assignment and chase the puck (but then again all Penguins defensemen seem to do this a lot so it may be a system thing for them). Basically he tries to be Kris Letang but fails. But it's not all bad, he's pretty good in the offensive end, he's a pretty good skater (a commodity the Penguins are desperately short on, which is why it's infuriating they traded one of their very few good skaters for another plodder on the wrong side of 30), he's a good scrapper in puck battles and so he's very uneven but a solid third pairing guy overall. Lovejoy is also a solid third pairing guy but more consistently mediocre and slower. He won't commit bad turnovers as often as Despres, but he'll give back the gains by not getting to nearly as many pucks as Despres did. So between the speed issue and the fact Despres is still young enough that he COULD conceivably improve that trade just doesn't make any sense for Pittsburgh. The Penguins took a spirited run at blowing a four-goal lead against Columbus and blowing multi-goal leads has kind of been a thing for them lately. I think Rutherford may have snapped and screamed "I CAN'T HANDLE THE TURNOVERS ANYMORE" and decided to kick Despres off the team for whatever he would bring. Could be wrong, just a theory. In GM speak it's called "shaking things up." Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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Depres always seemed like the odd D-man out with the new guard so I'm not surprised he was shipped off, and with the young guys in WBS he was kind of expendable assuming one of them steps up next year and makes the team. That all being said I'm curious as to the over/under for games in the "Lovejoy put on wavers" contest next season.
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Aphrodite posted:How the hell did Boston move Caron and the other team retained salary? Goddamn wizardry. I think Talbot could help with their bottom six and everyone else but Connolly is likely headed to Providence. Connolly could turn out to be a good pick-up, but compared to some of the prices other players went for - two 2nd round picks was a little steep. All in all, I think Boston did good just because they got rid of Caron. If that was all they did, I'd be a happy guy.
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doesnt the fact that dion makes 7 mil a year for 6 more seasons make him pretty poo poo? i get he's not terrible but you can replace him for a hell of a lot cheaper than that
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Grimby posted:Goddamn wizardry. Yeah I mean, I'm happy that we finally fired Jordan off, that we did A Thing and I'm interested to see Talbot play but I just wish we would have done something to bolster the defensive pairings. The cap situation is still tight as hell though so... eh.  The people flipping out on the B's facebook feed is totally worth it, though. FIRE [X] TRADE [Y] OH MAN THIS F'ING TEAM GRAAAAAAH  I love trade deadline season. 
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the talent deficit posted:doesnt the fact that dion makes 7 mil a year for 6 more seasons make him pretty poo poo? i get he's not terrible but you can replace him for a hell of a lot cheaper than that I'm not sure, tbh, but I bet you someone pays Cody Franson over $5M with term this offseason and he's a similar risk/reward kind of player. As long as somebody contributes I don't mind them making an extra million or whatever.
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Eric the Mauve posted:He is very bad at handling the puck in his own end. For every correct decision he makes two bad ones. He's prone to roam away from his assignment and chase the puck (but then again all Penguins defensemen seem to do this a lot so it may be a system thing for them). Basically he tries to be Kris Letang but fails. To be fair to Despres and his giveaways, being paired with Scuderi meant that he had the puck a lot more than if he had a more competent partner - Scuderi never carries the puck, and very, very rarely shoots it, so if Scuds gets the puck there's a 90% chance he's passing it to his partner on D, barring any giveaways on Scuderi's part. So a young guy who's still learning and has the puck a lot is going to gently caress up a lot too. But yeah, Lovejoy is probably an upgrade in the here and now, but what about next year, or the year after that? It sucks. The only real positive here, to me, is that at least Lovejoy isn't a pure rental and has another year on his contract. Because how unimaginably lovely would it be to trade a promising young defenseman on the roster for a whole two months of "veteran presence" or whatever bullshit.
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Austrian mook posted:Just how good is Wiz? His HERO chart looks pretty good but I haven't really heard much about him. Columbus fan here - Wiz is a great dude, can rarely make bad decisions / gently caress ups with the puck, but mostly great shots, solid on O, and can hold his own on D. Remember, his stats this year are mostly with a not-the-best pairing, but when he got with Murray (before Murray died), they seemed to work really well. He can also score a dang good goal. He will fit well on a 2nd pairing. Hes also a good dude, I've had a few things signed by him, hes very friendly and good for a chat. His wife + kids used to show up to games, so waiting outside you would see them, always friendly and fun. CBJSprague24 posted:51 points (I think) a season ago. PPQB, cruise missile of a shot from the point. Also yes this. He has great eyes and can usually be on D for a play going bad, but he also can be the REASON that the play is going bad. Mostly great.
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So can we play BORK-Clarkson-Boll on the FML line? 
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Hey Hand Knit, you got the CBJ/Minnesota Leopold trade backwards.
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doesnt leopold already play for [whatever team] i pride myself on being able to name most rosters of most teams but there are the occasional players like jordan leopold that i straight up cannot remember no matter how hard i try. if you asked me where he was i would've said "somewhere in the west thats not the pacific, or buffalo"
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Duke Chin posted:Yeah I mean, I'm happy that we finally fired Jordan off, that we did A Thing and I'm interested to see Talbot play but I just wish we would have done something to bolster the defensive pairings. The cap situation is still tight as hell though so... eh. If he doesn't do it in the offseason then string him up, but with them going nowhere this season it doesn't seem like it would make much of a difference.
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Duke Chin posted:Yeah I mean, I'm happy that we finally fired Jordan off, that we did A Thing and I'm interested to see Talbot play but I just wish we would have done something to bolster the defensive pairings. The cap situation is still tight as hell though so... eh. The Iginla bonuses and lower than expected salary cap, plus the fact every Bruin pretty much hit all their bonus requirements last season screwed them with the cap this season. Plus, the injuries at the beginning didn't help with half the defense out. I also think getting rid of Boychuk hurt them more than they though it would on the back end. It is what it is, they've been a very inconsistent team this season, and if they make it to the first round they'll likely be facing the hottest goalie in the league. I'd rather see another early exit and some changes made in the off-season than see them sell the farm to get knocked out in the first round and be in worse shape next season. Regardless of what stupid people say, Chiarelli did a good job by not panicking and doing stupid things.
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Having a competent GM make good moves at the deadline is still a very new and strange feeling. No overreactions, no stupid long term deals, just sticking to his game plan. I... can't really hate anything right now. Huh.
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DJExile posted:Having a competent GM make good moves at the deadline is still a very new and strange feeling. No overreactions, no stupid long term deals, just sticking to his game plan. Just blindly hate, it's the Philly way
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Boomer The Cannon posted:So can we play BORK-Clarkson-Boll on the FML line? What a line what a line what a line what a mighty good ... liiiiine
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Aphrodite posted:If he doesn't do it in the offseason then string him up, but with them going nowhere this season it doesn't seem like it would make much of a difference. Grimby posted:The Iginla bonuses and lower than expected salary cap, plus the fact every Bruin pretty much hit all their bonus requirements last season screwed them with the cap this season. Plus, the injuries at the beginning didn't help with half the defense out. I also think getting rid of Boychuk hurt them more than they though it would on the back end. It is what it is, they've been a very inconsistent team this season, and if they make it to the first round they'll likely be facing the hottest goalie in the league. I'd rather see another early exit and some changes made in the off-season than see them sell the farm to get knocked out in the first round and be in worse shape next season. Regardless of what stupid people say, Chiarelli did a good job by not panicking and doing stupid things. Oh for sure - don't mistake me for one of "those posters" on facebook. I'm having fun watching all the idiot mouthbreathers whinge and hand wring and call for people's heads every trade deadline. It's hilarious. We only won a cup not that long ago, made a finals run even more recently and have been in the playoffs for the last number of years and now just have a tight cap situation but OH NOOOOO having a down season nuke everything womp womp. 
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Koopa Kid posted:Yeah sounds like the Wings weren't looking to give up a lot and the Leafs didn't actually have a pressing need to move Phaneuf today so they were never really going to sync up. Wouldn't a left-handed shot like Phaneuf be better off on the right-side?
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mr. unhsib posted:Wouldn't a left-handed shot like Phaneuf be better off on the right-side? Someone actually posted a great shot location chart in the offseason, and almost all of Phaneuf's points come from the right side of the ice. So of course Carlyle announced they were moving him to the left permanently at the start of the year so he'd have an easier time picking pucks off the wall defensively.
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Koopa Kid posted:Someone actually posted a great shot location chart in the offseason, and almost all of Phaneuf's points come from the right side of the ice. So of course Carlyle announced they were moving him to the left permanently at the start of the year so he'd have an easier time picking pucks off the wall defensively. Oh okay. Haha, this is so stupid.
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Duke Chin posted:Oh for sure - don't mistake me for one of "those posters" on facebook. I'm having fun watching all the idiot mouthbreathers whinge and hand wring and call for people's heads every trade deadline. It's hilarious. We only won a cup not that long ago, made a finals run even more recently and have been in the playoffs for the last number of years and now just have a tight cap situation but OH NOOOOO having a down season nuke everything womp womp. I hate those people even when it'd be funny to see others teams blown up for the hell of it. It is interesting to see how the Bruins have declined in some ways but picked it up in other ways. The sort of "toughness" model that Torts' Rangers chased after the Bruins won seems to have failed for other teams, but the team also had exceptional depth, though that has thinned out. They've managed to add new talent pretty well though - Soderberg kind of came out of nowhere, and they seem to have done really well with first round picks since then, getting Hamilton and Pastrnak, not to mention Seguin and Subban (oh, right.) They had another top goalie all along, which is impressive. Chara is getting old though, and he has certainly slowed down with age, and Savard's contact is still pretty rough. It's cool to watch the team start to fall apart though, only to have drafted a good defenseman the year they won the cup and have some other guys coming up, even if they aren't a cup-caliber team anymore.
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