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Why is Athreos still 10 bucks when it hasn't show up in any competitive deck anywhere? Is it an EDH thing?
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Mar 2, 2015 23:10
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BizarroAzrael posted:I look forward to seeing what is done with Exploit, but I'm curious about why it is templated as it is, with the ability explained on it's own, with no inherent upside, then a condition printed separately. Going by things like Battalion, I would have expected something like: It will never be Athreos' s time to shine
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Mar 2, 2015 23:10
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Entropic posted:Why is Athreos still 10 bucks when it hasn't show up in any competitive deck anywhere? Is it an EDH thing? Even the unplayable multi color gods are like $10. I think they're popular casual cards.
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Mar 2, 2015 23:17
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Entropic posted:Why is Athreos still 10 bucks when it hasn't show up in any competitive deck anywhere? Is it an EDH thing? Probably Tiny Leaders, too.
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Mar 2, 2015 23:18
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The way exploit is worded, it seems like it's two separate triggers. If you remove the exploit creature in response to the first trigger, can you still get the second trigger for the exploit effect?
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Mar 2, 2015 23:26
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Entropic posted:Why is Athreos still 10 bucks when it hasn't show up in any competitive deck anywhere? Is it an EDH thing? It's always an EDH thing.
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Mar 2, 2015 23:27
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Even the unplayable multi color gods are like $10. I think they're popular casual cards. Karametra and Ephara are like $1, and Kruphix is like $2.50. The rest are like $5 except Keranos who see's actual play and is $10-12. Athreos is just a weird outlier. I wish my Karametra and Kruphix were worth $10. 
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Mar 2, 2015 23:29
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I think Athreos is still 10$ just because enough people bought them for $25 at release and don't want to admit they were wrong.
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Mar 2, 2015 23:32
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Price memory is a thing, yeah. And plus Athreos looks really awesome when you read him, so you keep thinking he's gonna do it this time guys, it's his time to shine!
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Mar 2, 2015 23:37
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Entropic posted:I think Athreos is still 10$ just because enough people bought them for $25 at release and don't want to admit they were wrong. Xenagod was like $17 at release wasn't he? Athreos is used in edh and tiny leaders is probably helping his price stay propped up.
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Mar 2, 2015 23:38
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Barry Shitpeas posted:The way exploit is worded, it seems like it's two separate triggers. If you remove the exploit creature in response to the first trigger, can you still get the second trigger for the exploit effect? If Sidisi is removed in response to the exploit triggered ability, you still have the option of sacrificing a creature, but Sidisi's second ability won't trigger.
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Mar 2, 2015 23:54
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Barry Shitpeas posted:The way exploit is worded, it seems like it's two separate triggers. If you remove the exploit creature in response to the first trigger, can you still get the second trigger for the exploit effect? If they kill the creatures in response to the Exploit trigger on the stack, you won't get the effect, but you will get to choose whether or not to sacrifice. If they remove the creature after the 1st trigger resolves but with the 2nd trigger on the stack, you get the effect. I can see an edge case where a player might want to do something between the two triggers, depending on what creature gets sacrificed. I guess if there's a really good Exploit card in the set that's Legacy playable, a card like Stifle would be a huge blowout. qbert fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Mar 2, 2015 |
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Mar 2, 2015 23:55
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Which begs the question of why it's formated that way. It seems very "feel bad" and unintuitive for the unsuspecting caster.
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Mar 3, 2015 00:00
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Rinkles posted:Which begs the question of why it's formated that way. It seems very "feel bad" and unintuitive for the unsuspecting caster. Also another question. I didn't realize Exploit allowed you to sacrifice the creature you just cast. Will the 2nd triggered ability even go on the stack if you choose to say, cast Sidisi and then sac it to its own Exploit trigger?
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Mar 3, 2015 00:01
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qbert posted:Also another question. I didn't realize Exploit allowed you to sacrifice the creature you just cast. Will the 2nd triggered ability even go on the stack if you choose to say, cast Sidisi and then sac it to its own Exploit trigger? It will. According to Gottlieb:"yes, she can exploit herself"
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Mar 3, 2015 00:02
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Rinkles posted:Which begs the question of why it's formated that way. It seems very "feel bad" and unintuitive for the unsuspecting caster. There may be cards that trigger whenever you exploit anything, and those technically wouldn't work under the rules if it were only an ability word and not a keyword.
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Mar 3, 2015 00:02
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qbert posted:Also another question. I didn't realize Exploit allowed you to sacrifice the creature you just cast. Will the 2nd triggered ability even go on the stack if you choose to say, cast Sidisi and then sac it to its own Exploit trigger? Yes, it works the same way as an ability like "When ~ dies, . . . ."
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Mar 3, 2015 00:04
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Rinkles posted:It will. According to Gottlieb:"yes, she can exploit herself" Wow, that makes Exploit even more powerful than I thought. New Sidisi is gonna be sweet. I hope there's enough good Exploit cards for some kind of Sultai Exploit deck with Prophet of Kruphix.
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Mar 3, 2015 00:06
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Ok, so here's a serious question: how did Silumgar, a 3/7, kill Tasigur, a 4/5? Even if Silumgar was attacking and Tasigur gained flying he couldn't get the job done. 0/5 flavor. Nice try Wizards.
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Mar 3, 2015 00:07
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bhsman posted:Probably Tiny Leaders, too. It's this. He's CMC 3 which only a few gods are (Thassa as well and someone else) and BW is good in TL.
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Mar 3, 2015 00:08
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Did he even do it on camera? I thought he just wore him Leia style til he died of natural causes. Which must have sucked when he was flying around.
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Mar 3, 2015 00:09
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suicidesteve posted:Ok, so here's a serious question: how did Silumgar, a 3/7, kill Tasigur, a 4/5? Even if Silumgar was attacking and Tasigur gained flying he couldn't get the job done. 0/5 flavor. Nice try Wizards. Silumgar attacked with four of his dragon friends.
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Mar 3, 2015 00:11
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Spiderdrake posted:Did he even do it on camera? I thought he just wore him Leia style til he died of natural causes. I wonder if he's zombified to some extent, otherwise wouldn't he just be a skeleton by now?
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Mar 3, 2015 00:13
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It's too bad that they're almost certainly not going to combine brood mechanics, a creature with dash and exploit would've been sweet.
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Mar 3, 2015 00:24
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suicidesteve posted:Ok, so here's a serious question: how did Silumgar, a 3/7, kill Tasigur, a 4/5? Even if Silumgar was attacking and Tasigur gained flying he couldn't get the job done. 0/5 flavor. Nice try Wizards. No, Tasigur is a 1/1. His throne is a 3/4. The throne is what you are delving for (Or purchasing with mana money). Besides, Tasigur's story aside, Silumgar never killed him. He just Owns him... Owned? Tasigur is bling In other news I really hate that Silumgar's body got smaller after getting 1200 years older. Aren't dragons supposed to get strictly more powerful with age?
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Mar 3, 2015 00:39
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Silumgar appears to have gotten considerably fatter. That's why he doesn't have hexproof anymore, he's so loving fat. Gonna start calling him Silumguru now. That's how old I am!
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Mar 3, 2015 00:43
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Gensuki posted:No, Tasigur is a 1/1. His throne is a 3/4. The throne is what you are delving for (Or purchasing with mana money). C'mon didn't you watch DBZ? Frieza's final form is way smaller than his second and third forms.
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Mar 3, 2015 00:44
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Spiderdrake posted:Silumgar appears to have gotten considerably fatter. That's why he doesn't have hexproof anymore, he's so loving fat. But he had a bigger butt in the past!
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Mar 3, 2015 00:45
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Zoness posted:C'mon didn't you watch DBZ? Frieza's final form is way smaller than his second and third forms. This checks out, Kid Buu is smaller then Majin buu as well.
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Mar 3, 2015 00:56
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Doub Beyer explains why they used the type 'Elder.'
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Mar 3, 2015 01:01
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All the creatures will be overpowered, and by that I mean one or two of them might be playable in modern.Entropic posted:http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/latest-developments/days-future-future-fate-reforged-2015-02-27
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Mar 3, 2015 01:01
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Didn't one of the Fate Reforged articles straight up say that Temporal Trespass used to be like 10U or something and was changed in response to Cruise doing what it did.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:06
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A big flaming stink posted:It will never be Athreos' s time to shine Its just a dumb tax card. You just pay the 3 life if they're trying to recur Merciless Executioner, or anything else even vaguely good. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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Mar 3, 2015 01:06
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forbidden lesbian posted:This checks out, Kid Buu is smaller then Majin buu as well. Kid Buu was also weaker than all the other forms of Buu. He was just the most dangerous because he was the most insane and had no mental blocks on his power. [/DBZDerail] ....... Tasiguuur! TASIGUUUUUUUUR! What is it Lord Silumgar? I have a bitch of an itch on my left rear end cheek! Scratch it for me! Uh...goddamnit... [/DBZADerail]
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Mar 3, 2015 01:08
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I suspect Temporal Trespass was heavily nerfed after it was realized how crazy TC and DTT were in eternal formats. I mean it's a 5 mana effect (Time Warp) for 11 including 3 coloured, while Treasure Cruise is a 4 mana effect (Concentrate) for 8 with only one coloured. FRF was 100% out development's hands by the time KTK premiered in the real world, based on what they've said about the process in the past.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:17
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So, rules question. If I cast final fortune, can I sundial the "you lose the game" part of it away? How about stifle? One of my friends has a stiflenaught deck and is planning on putting FF in and wanted to make sure. It doesn't seem like it should since it's a spell effect, but the good folks at MTGS tell him it's a delayed trigger.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:17
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Elyv posted:FRF was 100% out development's hands by the time KTK premiered in the real world, based on what they've said about the process in the past. I'm pretty sure the issue is that development over-values extra turns. Time Warp is not a busted card. Yawgmoth posted:So, rules question. If I cast final fortune, can I sundial the "you lose the game" part of it away? How about stifle? One of my friends has a stiflenaught deck and is planning on putting FF in and wanted to make sure. It doesn't seem like it should since it's a spell effect, but the good folks at MTGS tell him it's a delayed trigger. Its a delayed trigger. I'm not sure why you couldn't Stifle it. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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Mar 3, 2015 01:18
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Yawgmoth posted:So, rules question. If I cast final fortune, can I sundial the "you lose the game" part of it away? How about stifle? One of my friends has a stiflenaught deck and is planning on putting FF in and wanted to make sure. It doesn't seem like it should since it's a spell effect, but the good folks at MTGS tell him it's a delayed trigger. Sundial works with final fortune. The timing for the delayed trigger on Final Fortune specifies the extra turn's end of turn step which if properly played is skipped with Sundial. Ninja edit: stifle works whoops!! Zoness fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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Mar 3, 2015 01:20
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qbert posted:I hope there's enough good Exploit cards for some kind of Sultai Exploit deck with Prophet of Kruphix. I am ready and willing for new format all-stars Jeskai Sage, Sultai Emissary, and Dictate of Erebos.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:21
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Yawgmoth posted:So, rules question. If I cast final fortune, can I sundial the "you lose the game" part of it away? How about stifle? One of my friends has a stiflenaught deck and is planning on putting FF in and wanted to make sure. It doesn't seem like it should since it's a spell effect, but the good folks at MTGS tell him it's a delayed trigger. Both work; the spell creates a delayed triggered ability.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:22
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