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I'm studying neuroscience and psychology because they interest me. I have plenty of time later on in life to regret this
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STEM majors aren't nearly as smart as people say they are and many of them are lacking in the social skills department. Employers are starting to figure this out quickly and are also starting to realize that a lot of the jobs that require STEM degrees don't actually require them and most idiots could do them with proper training. Lol if you paid for college.
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Mar 10, 2015 11:50
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didnt read thread but smdh at americans who cant understand the value of knowledge and consider university an occupational training course
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Mar 10, 2015 11:58
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RideTheSpiral posted:didnt read thread but smdh at americans who cant understand the value of knowledge and consider university an occupational training course Doc Block posted:OP: "Only STEM degrees are worth anything because education should merely be job training!"
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Mar 10, 2015 12:05
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jokes on op because i studied the most liberal arts degree possible and now make a huge salary doing what i love
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Mar 10, 2015 12:07
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RideTheSpiral posted:didnt read thread but smdh at americans who cant understand the value of knowledge and consider university an occupational training course
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Mar 10, 2015 12:26
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CISMALES DID 9-11 posted:i just want to live in a STEM world where my self-driving car drops me off at taco bell and I can shuffle in the door with my head down and avoid eye contact with the other patrons and order my 3 tacos minus lettuce from the touchscreen terminal in peace as the ubermensch that i am lol if you think future dickweeds will leave their homes. taco bell assembled by robots and delivered by drone. the robots and drone will be fueled by the corpses of the people who used to have their jobs.
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Mar 10, 2015 12:31
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Tautologicus posted:i used to really resist this automatization of every single consumer process but now im growing to like it and prefer the touchscreen over the counter worker. they were soulless processes in the first place, why pretend that it was ever a human interaction, just give me my drat food and whatever else you can drive the human out of the equation of you're really going to like it when they ramp up the process of automating middle class jobs and you get to suck dick for cash
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Mar 10, 2015 12:32
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A misanthrope posted:you're really going to like it when they ramp up the process of automating middle class jobs and you get to suck dick for cash Lol im like 3 steps ahead of them
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Mar 10, 2015 12:38
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once the majority of jobs are automated, the majority of people won't need to work. the economy will all but run itself and it will fuel a welfare state that will free people to learn and create to their hearts' content. humanity will see a golden age unlike any other in all of history j/k tons of people are going to suffer
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Mar 10, 2015 12:40
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Doesn't matter what happens in my life because I have a plan for everything. For example: If I lose my good job I plan to drive 75 mph into a tree without a seat belt. I may acquire a shotgun to simplify the suicide process. Nefarious posted:j/k tons of people are going to suffer lol you had me going there for a second. I was gettin mad.
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Mar 10, 2015 12:46
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what's gonna happen: after defeating all of their opposition, governments/corporations will produce the maximum amount of mammoth tanks and make them shoot at each other until only 10 infantrymen remain, who will then attack the last intact enemy harvester which manages to squish nine of them before exploding. that is the endgame of society, the unchallenged utopia my worldview is entirely based on single player command & conquer skirmishes
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Mar 10, 2015 13:15
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quakster posted:what's gonna happen: after defeating all of their opposition, governments/corporations will produce the maximum amount of mammoth tanks and make them shoot at each other until only 10 infantrymen remain, who will then attack the last intact enemy harvester which manages to squish nine of them before exploding. that is the endgame of society, the unchallenged utopia and that last infantryman will get some Nikes and a crockpot delivered to him on the battlefield via Amazon drone. Ironically the package lands on the corpse of a UPS driver.
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Mar 10, 2015 13:25
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A misanthrope posted:lol if you think future dickweeds will leave their homes. taco bell assembled by robots and delivered by drone. now you're making the STEM future sound cool so thanks for ruining it
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Mar 10, 2015 17:01
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RideTheSpiral posted:didnt read thread but smdh at americans who cant understand the value of knowledge and consider university an occupational training course It is pretty sad when higher education is turned into a jobs program, instead of being thought of making society better as a whole. The STEM push is disturbing because it implies that you're a worthless sack of poo poo if you don't go into massive debt dreaming about 'the next killer app' but instead end up churning the gears for a military contractor. Somehow this is made to seem worse than learning a steady trade and paying union dues.
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Mar 10, 2015 17:09
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dougdrums posted:It is pretty sad when higher education is turned into a jobs program, instead of being thought of making society better as a whole. The STEM push is disturbing because it implies that you're a worthless sack of poo poo if you don't go into massive debt dreaming about 'the next killer app' but instead end up churning the gears for a military contractor. Somehow this is made to seem worse than learning a steady trade and paying union dues. RideTheSpiral posted:didnt read thread but smdh at americans who cant understand the value of knowledge and consider university an occupational training course Goons aren't the first to have the opposing views. There has been a lot of debate/study about what a degree "means" in the world after someone gets one. One view is that you aren't going to use most of what you studied in class in your actual job and a degree just means you have the capacity to learn and work at a certain level, as well as having some general body of knowledge that high schoolers don't. The second view is that college is actual job training and you will use a good part of what you learn in class through your career. Thus companies will only hire employees that had certain majors (since they are already "trained" to some level). Personally I think it's both, and prob why people on either side can't agree. STEM majors are more likely to use what they learned on the job (job training view) and non-STEM are more flexible, probably ended up working in a job that had nothing to do with any of the classes they took (general knowledge and work capacity view).
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Mar 10, 2015 21:21
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education in the USA is treated as jobs training because all they give a poo poo about is taking your tuition money and teaching you how to be a better worker so you can build someone else's wealth capitalism, folks and then one day you have a midlife crisis at 40-50 because you realize you've just been working your rear end off for no real tangible gain other than maybe a couple cars and a house you hate. get your STEM degrees but also seek enlightenment. if you're 100% convinced you're following the right path and everyone else is a dumb, you probably aren't.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:27
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Pawn 17 posted:Goons aren't the first to have the opposing views. thanks for this extremely long and obvious post
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Mar 10, 2015 21:27
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It's sad that degrees are required for some employment for no reason. For example I needed a degree for my current job, even though it has absolutely nothing to do with job. Just an arbitrary way for HR people to filter out applications.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:28
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Matt18001 posted:Just an arbitrary way for HR people to filter out applications. I've talked to 3 HR people that do hiring and yeah, pretty much. "I have 100 resumes, I do a quick skim and trash any of them that don't have a college degree because gently caress reading all those resumes" is word for word what one of them told me.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:29
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RideTheSpiral posted:thanks for this extremely long and obvious post LOOK AT HOW EDGY I AM. I AM SO EDGY I'LL CUT YOU LIKE A PARTICULARLY EDGY KNIFE. LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME. OR NOT, BECAUSE I AM A STUPID WORTHLESS PIECE OF poo poo.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:30
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Matt18001 posted:It's sad that degrees are required for some employment for no reason. For example I needed a degree for my current job, even though it has absolutely nothing to do with job. Just an arbitrary way for HR people to filter out applications. It's this way for keywords as well. If you have the wrong major or you lack the right keywords, your resume is thrown in the garbage without a human ever looking at it. No one wants to actually read through a stack of 100+ resumes.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:33
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I didn't go into stem because I figured I could make the same amount of money without having to do math/be a nerd pissbaby. I was right and it owns.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:33
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some people arent self centered op. in fact most of the cooler things you do every day and take for granted (such as making a lovely thread, on your computer, this magicaly device that connects to the internet, and so on) are the result of people just studying stuff for the hell of it rear end in a top hat
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Mar 10, 2015 21:38
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the answer here is to adjust tuition on an institutional level based on a job index. wanna be an engineer? Premed? that be 15 thousand 4 year tuition. wanna major in comparative lit? thatll be 12.5 thousand for a semester
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Mar 10, 2015 22:14
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Pawn 17 posted:LOOK AT HOW EDGY I AM. I AM SO EDGY I'LL CUT YOU LIKE A PARTICULARLY EDGY KNIFE. LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME. OR NOT, BECAUSE I AM A STUPID WORTHLESS PIECE OF poo poo. what an epic own
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Mar 10, 2015 22:31
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Because you touch yourself at night.
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Mar 10, 2015 22:44
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Pawn 17 posted:LOOK AT HOW EDGY I AM. I AM SO EDGY I'LL CUT YOU LIKE A PARTICULARLY EDGY KNIFE. LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME. OR NOT, BECAUSE I AM A STUPID WORTHLESS PIECE OF poo poo. youve been around too long to make poo poo posts like this one. you should know better
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Mar 10, 2015 22:44
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Blue Raider posted:the answer here is to adjust tuition on an institutional level based on a job index. wanna be an engineer? Premed? that be 15 thousand 4 year tuition. so only rich people can get educated and everyone else just gets job training to work for said rich people got it
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Mar 10, 2015 22:45
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RideTheSpiral posted:what an epic own An epic own? Are you posting from 2001? Do you want to settle this in a Quake 3 deathmatch??
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Mar 10, 2015 22:46
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opus111 posted:i mean ffs lol your parents had legitimate concerns about nukes being dropped. lighten up brah. so should you. it's going to happen. probably not to the US but it's going to happen sooner or later. we still have them pointed at each other, and we still develop new updated nukes
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Mar 10, 2015 22:51
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1gnoirents posted:some people arent self centered op. in fact most of the cooler things you do every day and take for granted (such as making a lovely thread, on your computer, this magicaly device that connects to the internet, and so on) are the result of people just studying stuff for the hell of it also this
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Mar 10, 2015 22:52
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Horniest Manticore posted:seriously, why? as far as i can tell it's just about wanting to be *~special~* and spend a bunch of years pretending you have a point of view that's worth actually paying attention to. abolish all arts/language programs, devote the money and space they're taking up to things that actually do something useful for society They probably would have lied on it anyway to get more people in the majors nobody likes
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Mar 10, 2015 22:52
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Moridin920 posted:so only rich people can get educated and everyone else just gets job training to work for said rich people got it i said base it off a rolling job index numbnuts
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Mar 10, 2015 22:54
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Blue Raider posted:youve been around too long to make poo poo posts like this one. you should know better Oh, now you are going to come in here and epically own me to?? Really, I'm only seriousposting this thread because some high school or college aged goons may actually be reading and thinking "Hey, it really doesn't matter what degree I get! The goons said so! This one guy on the internet said he got a sociology major and he is super rich and happy! Why would he lie to me?". Anyhow, I'll vacate. Unless that one dipshit takes me up on Quake 3, then it's on! 
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Mar 10, 2015 23:13
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Pawn 17 posted:Oh, now you are going to come in here and epically own me to?? youve gotta be like 40 because lol
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Mar 10, 2015 23:14
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Blue Raider posted:youve gotta be like 40 because lol youve gotta be too stupid to read a few posts up because lol I was making fun of RideTheSpiral's post
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Mar 10, 2015 23:18
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Pawn 17 posted:Oh, now you are going to come in here and epically own me to?? lol
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Blue Raider posted:i said base it off a rolling job index numbnuts Blue Raider posted:wanna be an engineer? Premed? that be 15 thousand 4 year tuition. what am I missing job training is cheap, everything else is expensive bc poors don't need to know it anyway
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Moridin920 posted:what am I missing make a list of all majors from most in demand to least, price them accordingly, and adjust on a yearly basis. like right now make education cheaper than say dance because its more in demand. 3 yrs from now dance might be more in demand so you adjust it to taste its a way to minimize over educated under qualified graduates while also helping graduates find jobs its not fair but neither is life and besides a philosophy major with 50k in debt and nothing to show for it but a functionally useless degree isnt too fair either
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