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im making fun of shadow because im a jealous poor who's mad he doesn't have a college degree. you see. shadow is a renessaince man if you didnt understand. he loves sociology. he loves psychology. he own the last 3 versions of the DSM. he read that poo poo because it interests him. he loves history. he can take most anyone down in a game of history trivia, science trivia, cultural, etc.
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lol why would you get a degree....i went to google univserity and now i'm a phd historian!
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Mar 16, 2015 15:07
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when ppl like that say they "love" history it means tehy read the first paragraph of the wiki article for war of the roses after watching game of thrones
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Mar 16, 2015 15:08
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i own all 5 game of thrones books. i read that poo poo because it interests me
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Mar 16, 2015 15:12
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medieval studies bangers role call
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Mar 16, 2015 15:19
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Shadow posted:itt a bunch of poors butthurt that no one pays them money to hear all about their liberal arts degrees lol if you think you earn more than me which i do having an awesome life and not writing code in a cubicle like some beta bitch
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Mar 16, 2015 15:32
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i studied transports / economics and it led me to a well paying job i hated now i study sports science and will never make as much money but it's fun??? and i dont hate my life now
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Mar 16, 2015 15:36
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Frog Act posted:when ppl like that say they "love" history it means tehy read the first paragraph of the wiki article for war of the roses after watching game of thrones Hey I also listened to some history podcasts okay I think I'm a little more than qualified to make normative statements about anything and everything
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Mar 16, 2015 15:40
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I.... Like engineering? Also did a minor in history. Just study whatever. Sure roi on some majors is crap, but we're all going to die in the end so who cares as long as you're not living in literal poverty until then.
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Mar 16, 2015 15:42
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ive found you can learn as much from dan carlin as you can from any so called "scholarly work"
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Mar 16, 2015 15:43
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Tsinava posted:im making fun of shadow because im a jealous poor who's mad he doesn't have a college degree. you see. shadow is a renessaince man if you didnt understand. he loves sociology. he loves psychology. he own the last 3 versions of the DSM. he read that poo poo because it interests him. he loves history. he can take most anyone down in a game of history trivia, science trivia, cultural, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXdU1O0lQko
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Mar 16, 2015 15:45
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if everyone were rich society would collapse, you have to do your part as a mediocre human being with limited economy, for the greater good
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Mar 16, 2015 15:46
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Frog Act posted:die die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die die
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Mar 16, 2015 15:59
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I meant https://youtu.be/EXdU1O0lQko?t=6m12s for the most highly relevant subject matter
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Mar 16, 2015 16:30
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the only degree you can get that wont make you effectively middle class for the rest of your life is a business/finance degree loling at people who spend so much effort trying to become engineers just to make like 100k thats not even a livable wage to a real person
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Mar 16, 2015 16:43
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business and finance degrees are only worth it if youre getting them tp prove to daddy youre mature enough to inherit the family fortune this is also why unpaid internships are a thing, rich kids cant keep down a paid job nor can they compete with the harder working poor
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Mar 16, 2015 17:25
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DGib posted:the only degree you can get that wont make you effectively middle class for the rest of your life is a business/finance degree have no degree, make 100k at least I have no college debt can confirm not a livable wage
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Mar 16, 2015 17:26
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The bullshit of usa is that you need to pay two years of your wages in order to afford to study. Study should be free and everyone should just follow what they love more, not caring about the money. This would lead to a much happier and much more educated population
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Mar 16, 2015 17:30
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:I'd like to borrow $200M
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RattiRatto posted:The bullshit of usa is that you need to pay two years of your wages in order to afford to study. Study should be free and everyone should just follow what they love more, not caring about the money. This would lead to a much happier and much more educated population but then there is upward mobility for poors and lol gently caress that we need people to clean toilets
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Frog Act posted:die die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die diedie die die die Darlin'
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Mar 16, 2015 18:55
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lmao if you have to take out student loans to go to college
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Mar 16, 2015 19:24
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RattiRatto posted:The bullshit of usa is that you need to pay two years of your wages in order to afford to study. Study should be free and everyone should just follow what they love more, not caring about the money. This would lead to a much happier and much more educated population Stupid people are easier to control
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Mar 16, 2015 21:05
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The oligarchs are trying real hard to make higher education a thing that's mostly only for rich people again.
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Mar 16, 2015 22:05
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Methanar posted:Stupid people are easier to control Educated people are even easier to control
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RattiRatto posted:The bullshit of usa is that you need to pay two years of your wages in order to afford to study. Study should be free and everyone should just follow what they love more, not caring about the money. This would lead to a much happier and much more educated population Its not free though on a fundamental level, it takes resources and lotsa people's time and expertise.
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Mar 17, 2015 12:51
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Shadow posted:So tired of the strawman of people who can't understand that those of us advocating job training style degrees are doing so because degrees cost so much loving money and college loan interest rates are insane.  becoming a historian has very little to do with memorizing cool history facts
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Rutibex posted:
I know what point you are trying to make and I generally agree, but as someone with a history degree and a Stem degree, you spend 4 years on the history degree learning how to do what the stem guy learns in one or two as an instinct thats just expected. His point stands.
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Mar 17, 2015 14:00
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RonMexicosPitbull posted:I know what point you are trying to make and I generally agree, but as someone with a history degree and a Stem degree, you spend 4 years on the history degree learning how to do what the stem guy learns in one or two as an instinct thats just expected. His point stands. lmao
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Mar 17, 2015 14:09
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RonMexicosPitbull posted:I know what point you are trying to make and I generally agree, but as someone with a history degree and a Stem degree, you spend 4 years on the history degree learning how to do what the stem guy learns in one or two as an instinct thats just expected. His point stands. as someone who has frequent interaction with STEM majors but if i were to look at the situation objectively, lots of history majors can't do the things they're supposed to do either it's almost like someone's success relies more upon the person themselves and not their college major
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Mar 17, 2015 14:19
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It's kind of depressing to read old utopian texts about how technology will liberate humankind from the shackles of manual labor and everyone will be free to become an artist or a philosopher.
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Mar 17, 2015 14:22
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there's no hope. humanity is erasing itself.
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Mar 17, 2015 14:29
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RonMexicosPitbull posted:I know what point you are trying to make and I generally agree, but as someone with a history degree and a Stem degree, you spend 4 years on the history degree learning how to do what the stem guy learns in one or two as an instinct thats just expected. His point stands. yeah but hes talking about his business degree. as someone with a history degree and a business degree, i can attest to the fact that business degrees teach you almost nothing (in fact economics class actually makes you stupider)
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Mar 17, 2015 14:37
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whatis posted:but if i were to look at the situation objectively, lots of history majors can't do the things they're supposed to do either this is the case right here. if you could read some of my class mates papers, dear god i have seen better analysis on 4chan. what the difference is, pretty much anyone can get a history, or english, or psychology degree and slide through with a gentlemans C- . schools take them in to get that sweet tuition money. these people are unemployable in masses after graduation. STEM degrees involve tests that require knowing objective information and doing math. you can't really bullshit math like you can an essay so only the talented people can graduate STEM degrees.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1wg1DNHbNU (Too obvious?)
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Rutibex posted:this is the case right here. if you could read some of my class mates papers, dear god i have seen better analysis on 4chan. Said someone who never tried to gently caress around through a 4th-level Humanities course. It's not Rocket Science and there are definitely professors/schools out there that will fudge things along so students pass, but then again even Harvard has crazy grade inflation and Devry is a real place so it's not like there aren't issues with a for-profit education system in any major. My point being that even if you have the analytic/skill capacity of a tin can, you still need to be able to organize and apply yourself to get even a "Gentleman's C-" in high level courses, which isn't a "real skill" but does train basic mental muscles that you can laterally apply to other disciplines like STEM to fantastic results. Meanwhile in STEM the technical knowledge also comes down to basic organization and grit to learn and pass; even in math you don't have to understand the complex underlying concepts to be able to understand how to plug in the formulas and equations necessary to pass until you get to much higher levels. There are plenty of non-talented STEM graduates who didn't do much more than read what they were told, did the practice problems, showed up on the test date and didn't gently caress it up, and are now working in real jobs with real stakes and frequently engender "how the gently caress did they pass?" responses from their co-workers. The bottom line is that a Humanities major is an incredibly uneconomical decision unless you've got strong networking skills relative to a STEM major and/or a huge load of money reserves, but in both cases you get out of them what you put in.
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mind the walrus posted:Said someone who never tried to gently caress around through a 4th-level Humanities course. It's not Rocket Science and there are definitely professors/schools out there that will fudge things along so students pass, but then again even Harvard has crazy grade inflation and Devry is a real place so it's not like there aren't issues with a for-profit education system in any major. i don't know how it works were you are from but were are am 4th year university courses are only in "honors" programs and are generally for people that are planning on going to graduate school. i was mostly referring to people that slide through and get a 3-year degree
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I mean really just lol if you can't dick around until your mid twenties and then join the family business and be balling out as VP of sales before 30 just lolll
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I spent two years in college studying engineering, and it didn't work out. Changed to political science, used my credits in other stuff/the fact I could manage more classes to have five minors when I graduated. Got a pretty decent sales job, and got laid off. Got another sales job. Hated it. Did an EMT class and now I make literally a quarter of the money but I also don't hate every second that I exist, so hurray for that. Money is nice but if you have to spend most of your waking hours doing something you hate, and your time off recovering from hating it that much, it's not loving worth it at all.
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Rutibex posted:i don't know how it works were you are from but were are am 4th year university courses are only in "honors" programs and are generally for people that are planning on going to graduate school. i was mostly referring to people that slide through and get a 3-year degree whats a 3 year degree, one and a half associates?
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Blue Raider posted:whats a 3 year degree, one and a half associates? in canada you can get a bachelors degree in 3 years, a 4 year degree is called an "honors" bachelor and is usually only for people going to graduate school/med school/law school
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