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Insert name here: Nov 10, 2009; Oh.
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I played the gently caress out of WoT when it came out so I'm totally excited to fart around being a piece of poo poo in my crappy jeep carrier :getin:

# ¿ Mar 11, 2015 20:45

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 08:11

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I'm apparently a super bad carrier captain cause I can't use torpedo bombers worth a poo poo. Gonna take forever to get my Independence. :saddowns:

# ¿ Mar 13, 2015 08:26

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Rorac posted:

I got caught in one of those actually, in a battleship no less. I haven't seen anybody do it to me since so who knows, you might've been the one to do it to me. I can confirm that torpedo crosses work really really well, and there really isn't any solution, outside of 'eat poo poo and die'.

Tell you what, for those wanting to not suck at carriers, have a lovely MSpaint rendition of what happened to me and what you should do more often.

As long as you can time the attacks properly, there is pretty much no way to escape that. Even if you fail to kill the ship outright you'll cripple it for sure and it'll likely get picked off in short order.

This poo poo is pretty hilarious to do, especially when you've got another carrier doing it at the same time with you:

Now if only I could stop sucking at destroyers.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2015 12:22

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I need to get used to doing manual drops. Both of those I just told my squadrons to attack and it worked out fine cause both of them were too busy focusing on shooting me that they weren't doing heavy manuevering. Every time I've done a manual drop so far I've hosed it up like an idiot like giving the attack order too close to where the bombers are flying so they have to fly circles downwards in order to drop and by the time they do the ship has moved away.

Infidelicious posted:

Hey Insert. Give me an invite key if you get one, and we can relive Navy Field 2009-2010, but without the amazingness of killing people's hard earned vets with AA ships.

Please don't trigger me :whitewater:

(I don't have an invite code sorry I just applied like a pleb)

# ¿ Mar 13, 2015 12:34

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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:

I was looking in the game options, and it says 'hold control to use secondary (AAA?) weapons'. I do that, but I never get anything but a cursor. I'm only in tier 3. Do my ships just not have AAA yet?

What's with those secondary guns that jut out from the belt of the first battleship? Do those fire like all the other guns whenever I blast a salvo at a target in their line of fire, or do they just stick out and look stupid?

You can't control them directly; that's referring to clicking on a ship/plane squadron to focus your secondary battery on.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2015 13:55

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Vengarr posted:

Is there a way to tell when your torpedoes will be active? I've had a few games where I dropped torpedoes too close and they just go off the hull. Very anticlimactic.

Hammerstein posted:

Unfortunately not. It takes a while to get a feel for it, from my experience you can release from the inner half of the attack circle, probably even closer. You can launch so close that on a good to perfect attack run a lone BB will always take massive damage.

Ofc these seal clubbing days won't last forever. I had one game today with a decent team which actually stuck together. The planes from the hostile side could not get through the AA cover.

AFAIK they start being active at the green marker:

Like in this image they drop at the edge of the circle, and activate once they're in the green highlighted area. I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2015 22:46

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Nordick posted:

You seem to be profoundly mistaken about what kind of games the "World of ..." games are and what their playerbase is like.

No way dude surely a map that requires extensive coordination between 15 random people to do anything would not be frustrating or unfun in the slightest at all

# ¿ Mar 14, 2015 00:31

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BadLlama posted:

I'm actually liking US destroyers a lot, I go where the enemy destroys probably are going and just blow them up with my guns then go on close range suicide torpedo missions on battleships.

My most hilarious DD game so far has being on my Wickes class where I thunderdomed against 4 other DDs alone and came out on top (well the last dude sank me with torps, but then ran into my torps that were already into the water and sank too).

# ¿ Mar 15, 2015 23:03

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I feel like I'm doing CVs wrong because I always manage to miss with my manually aimed torps that I've stopped and just gone back to auto-attacking with them. Thankfully most people seem really bad at dodging torps.

NTRabbit posted:

NA closed beta testers who played 1000+ beta battles got the M4A2E4 which many immediately sold, but I kept because I never sell a gift/premium. It's a serviceable tank.

They only counted post-wipe games (there was a soft wipe when they introduced the Jagdtiger where they wiped all stats but you kept all your accumulated XP as free XP) though so I never got my crappy rear end tank, since I played a poo poo-ton and then burned out before then. :mad:

# ¿ Mar 17, 2015 09:50

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If it's like CVs when you're not in the overhead view you hold down alt and can click on the map/place on your screen to make them fly there.

# ¿ Mar 17, 2015 19:45

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BadLlama posted:

So a lot of silly alpha testers are apparently mad that the game isn't WW2 boats simulator with combat ranges of 30Km+ how the hell would that be any fun.

What really gets me is that people expected that in the first place by the company which made WoT and this game essentially being in the same "series" as that game. Like what the hell were they expecting?

# ¿ Mar 17, 2015 20:10

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The amount of people who sit still or try to peak and poke will never not be funny to me.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2015 09:57

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No Yorktown? What is this poo poo? :mad:

# ¿ Mar 19, 2015 19:05

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Hey now the Hornet exists too! But yeah I don't know about doctrine or anything, but they also reused Lexington.

santanotreal posted:

The Yorktown class is separate from the Essex class, but I believe one of the Essex class was named Yorktown. Confusing poo poo actually.

Yeah they reused the name Yorktown for an Essex class after the first one got sunk at Midway. It just seems like a weird omission given how famous the Enterprise was, but maybe they're saving it for another CV tree. Wargaming likes having a million different trees if WoT is any indication.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2015 19:44

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xthetenth posted:

Incidentally literally all of those things but armor have gently caress all to do with rng, and I very sorely distrust the word of idiots with simhard agendas like that rather than thinking they bolloxed up armor a bit when I still haven't gotten a citadel hit on an enemy with sharply angled armor or anything that would belie the existence of armor.

I've gotten citadel hits on ships with sharply angled armour because they were so far away it just plunged in from above instead :v:

But yeah I'm really skeptical of people saying armour doesn't exist and it's all just RNG and hitboxes until someone can prove for sure

# ¿ Mar 21, 2015 06:21

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Harik posted:

It's a tighter spread, at least on the tanks I tended to drive. I like being able to pop someone right in their ammo rack when I aim for it, dammit!

Ah yes noted non-RNG dependent game World of Tanks *gets shot in the ammo rack multiple, nothing happens due to RNG rolls*

# ¿ Mar 21, 2015 08:33

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Vengarr posted:

They better give Kaga her historical armament. 10 8-inch guns, 8 5-inch guns. And 6 inches of belt armor. Just in case she ever found herself in a gun duel with a cruiser.

Kaga was designed for a video game. Specifically, this one.

The Lex doesn't get her 8-inchers so probably not

# ¿ Mar 21, 2015 23:04

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PirateBob posted:

Why would you upgrade the torpedo tubes on the Clemson? +0.5km range for -0.6 ROF?

You also get ~1800 more damage per torp on the upgraded torpedoes.

# ¿ Mar 22, 2015 06:03

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Friendly torps are way for dangerous than enemy torps. Some rear end in a top hat dropped torps in my path that forced me to dodge and put me right into the path of some enemy torps that weren't spotted at the time. :argh:

# ¿ Mar 22, 2015 06:53

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I hope they do something with Carriers; I kind of enjoy playing them when things go right but getting 3 or 4 sorties per game at best is pretty dreadful. Literally posting right now while waiting for all my planes to fly back to me.

# ¿ Mar 24, 2015 04:09

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Pimpmust posted:

At higher (6+) tiers it feels like they could add more planes per squadron, because AA gets really serious up there - guaranteed to lose attacking planes in pretty much any run makes the few attacks you do get markedly less effective (if they don't get panicked on top). Just losing one or two torpedo planes makes it *much* easier to dodge the following torpedo spread (and all ships at tier 6 and up are also fast and agile compared to earlier ships).

But that doesn't solve the "3-4 sorties per game" issue. Faster turn-around time? Higher speed on the planes?

Higher speed on planes would be pretty interesting to see, since not only would you be able to get more sorties out per game, it'll allow you to get into position faster and give the targets less time to react, as well as being in and out of the AA faster.

TheFluff posted:

- Torpedoes are a dumb weapon and are kinda like artillery in WoT. There's a lot of random chance and dumb luck involved and if you luck out someone gets oneshot.

????

# ¿ Mar 24, 2015 19:42

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Hey man, my dive bombers have a maximum damage of 2400 per bomb *attacks target, only gets 1 hit, does 300 damage*

# ¿ Mar 24, 2015 20:01

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Prav posted:

I thought that was an interesting change (with a good chance of backfiring of course, there's a reason you put down dom points in odd numbers) until I saw where they put it. What were they thinking?

Domination points aren't zero-sum in this game though so having an even number of points doesn't matter.

# ¿ Mar 25, 2015 19:24

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ArchangeI posted:

Is there any indication whatsoever telling you how long your torpedo tubes on one side are going to take to reload? Because there is absolutely nothing worse than having a battleship happily on the side you fired your torpedoes on and not knowing whether you can turn quick enough to fire the other side or if you should just keep straight on because the battery is going to be reloaded in a few seconds.

When you select your torpedoes the number indicators that normally show your gun reload times show your torpedo reload times.

# ¿ Mar 25, 2015 23:42

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Yeah CVs being super tiered and having to sit on your rear end for half the game because it takes forever to retrieve your planes is probably the worst part of playing CVs.

# ¿ Mar 26, 2015 10:39

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Poil posted:

I have the -10% service time to aircraft and -10% time for torpedo bombers. Still takes a really long time. I bet the reload time was set with the assumption that you'll have both those skills. If planes could land faster and more reliably or even land and takeoff planes at the same time or just cut down the time it takes for planes to lift, half the time would make more sense, it would make carriering a lot less annoying.

It's not even the service time that's annoying, it's the speed at which your planes fly so that even when you're trying to sit as far ahead as possible you generally find yourself flying about 1/3 to 1/2 of the map distance wise to the enemy ships which leads to 3 or 4 minutes round time.

# ¿ Mar 26, 2015 19:55

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What an idiot; never drive at ships that have torpedoes

Yesterday I ended up in a 1v1 against an Aoba in my Cleveland and his torps forced me to keep my rear end directly towards him for like 90%+ of the fight. Still won cause none of his torps hit and half a Cleveland is still better in a gun fight than any Japanese shitbox cruiser. :coal:

# ¿ Mar 26, 2015 21:17

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The warping that happens with ships that are far away reminds me of the WoT beta, though not as bad.

Prav posted:

The thing I'm getting is that sometimes ships just aren't where they appear to be. Shellcamming a 36 cm slam-dunk into someone's deck only to get no hit at all is... unsatisfying

It's hilarious when it works the other way around though. You're just there thinking to yourself that your salvo is going to miss because you lead too much when the shells just explode above the water and you get a citadel hit.

# ¿ Mar 27, 2015 02:36

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Lol nice driving idiots

# ¿ Mar 27, 2015 07:43

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I once adjusted too close to the drop point which caused my planes to fly circles then drop their payload about 90 degrees from the direction I told them to drop.

# ¿ Mar 28, 2015 07:44

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I got the sniper mission for today (4 torp hits in 1 game) so I took my destroyers out for the first time in about a week. So far my games have consisted of me taking a hit, losing my engine, using my repair teams, only to take a second hit that kills me from about 10k health in like 3 or 4 games in a row now. :whitewater:

# ¿ Mar 28, 2015 09:56

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I wish I could have another fighter squadron without having to sacrifice all my damage dealing capability. The first loadout like that is the final one on the Lex with 2/2/0 for fighters/torp bombers/dive bombers. Then of course you have the 2/2/1 loadout on the Essex. Hell I would probably seriously consider a 2/1/1 loadout if they give me a choice for that.

E: The hilarious super heavy fighter loadouts I could see being pretty useful if you could party up with another CV but lol can't have that I guess

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# ¿ Mar 29, 2015 11:07

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demonR6 posted:

Are you asking for parlay? I typically won't shoot at a goon if I recognize them or they salute. At least not until the end of we are the last standing or if they come gunning for me early on then all bets are off.

Always shoot goons first, even if it costs you the game and your life. Especially if you costs you the game and your life.

Adventure Pigeon posted:

I kinda think they need to swap the Cleveland to a much higher tier or nerf it, because it feels better than the tier 7 and 8 US cruisers by far. Those guns just spray death, and no cruiser has enough armor to avoid crits from them. Come to think of it, a lot of ships seem to be in the wrong tier. This is especially true amongst destroyers where the stupid increasing torpedo reload times and marginal/non existent improvements in gunnery, hp, and armor mean that they generally get worse as you go up. The crazy long range torpedoes that you eventually get are nice, but that's near the end, and in the meantime you have a wide gulf of turds.

I've seen people do some mean things in a Pensacola and New Orleans. Ironically my Pensacola experience so far has been a wet fart so far with the stock guns, because I'm so used to the Cleveland's really slow shells that I keep leading too much. Also because I seem incapable of actually getting a decent penetrating salvo off on a BB leading to only triple digit barrages so far. :argh:

# ¿ Mar 30, 2015 22:05

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demonR6 posted:

I like to wait till the end hoping we both survived so we can bump into each other over and over infuriating everyone as the game results in a draw. No luck so far though and every time I have run into Rossmum on the other team he dies almost immediately.

Oh yeah this is pretty good too. Way back in the WoT closed beta before platoons were a thing the only way to play with friends was to hit battle at the exact same time and hope you got into the same battle (since the matchmaker didn't exist at the time so it just threw the first 30 tier 3s and up into a match) so whenever I got onto the opposite team as my friend we'd try to be the last ones alive and then just deliberately drive past each other not shooting.

# ¿ Mar 30, 2015 22:18

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People who complain about how planes are OP are hilarious: "CVs are no skill they can drop torps on you and you don't even have time to dodge!" *watches planes line up and make a run, doesn't attempt to move until the last second and eats every torp*

# ¿ Mar 30, 2015 23:04

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Slim Jim Pickens posted:

I usually can't kill any battleship goons, because they know ancient and mysterious anti-destroyer tactics like "turn away from destroyer"

"Destroyer? Better turn my side to it and drive straight so I can shoot it with all my guns before it kills me with its overpowered torpedoes!"

# ¿ Mar 31, 2015 01:27

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I once pulled up literally right next to an enemy Kongo in mine and we duked it out Age of Sail style and it was boss as hell

# ¿ Mar 31, 2015 02:15

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(I'm sad I died by being an idiot and never got to take a shot at the Yamato)

# ¿ Mar 31, 2015 04:25

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Does anyone else never get "decent" games in a DD? All my DD games are either I die instantly in a horrible manner and I get double digit XP or I gently caress poo poo up and get quad digits on a loss (or I die instantly in a horrible manner and still get quad digit XP :iiam:

), but I never get average games where I get like 500 or 600 XP.

# ¿ Mar 31, 2015 04:55

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 08:11

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Man nothing is more hilarious than getting two perfect torpedo bomber runs on a Fuso and sinking him like a minute and a half into the match, two matches in a row. Those dudes must have been pissed. Also when the MM decides that two Independences can fight your one Saipan and you just laugh and maul every single one of their planes.

Then you go up against a Ranger and you're reduced to trying to ram things and shoot them with your secondaries. :saddowns:

# ¿ Apr 1, 2015 09:06

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