|
1.11 Dontari Poe DT Memphis He was probably the one player that people HATED when he was picked. Remember that gif of him getting trucked by some lovely CUSA running back. He was the consensus bust for this round so it's wonderful to see him turn it around and be actually good! And to think I was pounding the table for David Decastro lol. I credit Romeo Crennel with this pick more than I do Pioli. He loves huge nose tackles and I'm sure he was demanding we get Poe ASAP. Ultimately, he gets an A! 2.44 Jeff Allen OG Illinois A tremendous bust. He was hurt last year and his backups were terrible BUT THEY WERE STILL UPGRADES. No one knew who this guy was when Pioli took him. Worth noting that Osemele was taken sixteen picks later and is a top ten guard in the league. Also worth noting that Alshon Jeffry was taken WITH THE VERY NEXT PICK too. Lavonte David was fourteen picks later. All talents that were needs then. This is what we call a Patented Pioli Pick. It's where he overdrafts a terrible player he's locked on to instead of trading down or even taking looks at other dudes who've fallen for whatever reason. He did it a bunch of times before and he didn't stop even when his job was on the line. Allen never made it, constantly getting benched behind Asamoah, Schwartz, Lilja and now Grubbs is going to start over him. He'll be a backup and he'll get cut after this season. This dude gets an F from me. 3.75 Donald Stephenson OT Oklahoma The dude taken right before Russell Wilson. Another Patented Pioli Pick. Stephenson is not only a terrible player and his selection literally made not a lick of sense. We had Albert and Winston as our tackles so we didn't need a replacement there. We had other needs to get to and he certainly wasn't BPA in the slightest. So, why did we take him? Hilton was still there, Sanu was still there, hell even Bernard Pierce and Lamar Miller would have made for excellent back ups to Charles before we had Knile Davis. It's also worth noting that we had the worst QB stable that year (Cassel-Quinn-Stanzi) and there were two much better QBs available right here in Foles and Wilson. Why didn't we even try to get them? Because Pioli couldn't get over his loyalty to his guy Cassel. He only brought in Quinn after massive fan outcry for improvement, which is an absurd statement. Pioli got latched on to the lovely player for no real reason and refused to even look at a sincere upgrade. So, instead of making a worthwhile pick here, Pioli wastes all our time with a terrible RT. Meanwhile, Wilson leads his team to back to back Super Bowls and Foles is decent. What could have been. A mega-F for this one. He sucks and I hope La'el Collins get picked to replace him and then replace Fisher once he's out. 4.107 Devon Whylie WR Fresno State Another overdrafted dude who never did much of anything. Taken eleven picks before Jarius Wright and five picks before Bobby Massie (a better RT than Stephenson) and ten picks before Joe Looney (a better guard than Allen) and three picks before Ladarius Green. All of those were needs. Gone now. Another F here, but only because there were plenty of good talents around him that we missed. 5.146 Daquan Menzie CB Alabama This was probably just a project somebody wanted to take a flyer on. I guess there was a little bit of buzz on him? I dunno. He was on IR for the first year and was like the first cut Dorsey did. I was really wanting George Iloka here, if I recall correctly. 6.182 Cyrus Gray RB Texas A&M Is currently third string running back. Not terrible. 7. 218 Jerome Long DT San Diego State A dude. Bounced around a few times. 7.238 Junior Hemingway WR Michigan Our gunner and fourth string WR. Is okay. Despite the relative success of the last two rounds, this draft is the one that began the worst season in Chiefs history. It's hard to look very positively on this draft with the exception of three players, really. Overall, this draft gets a D from me. The worst part is that we could have traded down in every round except for the first and still probably got the same dudes we ended up getting plus whatever picks. Just goes to show how terrible and lazy Pioli was and how hosed up he made our franchise.
|
#
?
Mar 17, 2015 15:45
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 23, 2024 19:28 |
|
|
AAA DOLFAN posted:Whoa you guys lost a receiver to the cold dark bitterness of space? Still couldn't catch a ball moving in zero gravity.
|
|
#
?
Mar 17, 2015 17:07
|
|
|
Nail Rat posted:He was a starter in the Pro Bowl and while the Pro Bowl is kind of silly in terms of who gets in, I think it'd be really stretching to say he wasn't deserving of being put on that level. I also really wouldn't put any of the receivers who were in the Super Bowl above him though Edelman is pretty good. Other young guys who are definitely better: julio jones, antonio bryant, demariyius thpmas, jordy nelson, randall cobb, and imo alshon jeffery, but if you want to say the last two are closer to ty hilton than the first 9 you're probably right. Young rookies that we'll have to watch, but might be on that level; obj, mike evans, maybe kelvin benjamin. So he's a definite solid #1 that I think anyone would be happy to draft at 92, but even top 10 in the league is a huge stretch.
|
|
#
?
Mar 17, 2015 19:40
|
|
|
Nail Rat posted:He was a starter in the Pro Bowl and while the Pro Bowl is kind of silly in terms of who gets in, I think it'd be really stretching to say he wasn't deserving of being put on that level. I also really wouldn't put any of the receivers who were in the Super Bowl above him though Edelman is pretty good. He's not top 5, homer. Though that A+ for his draft spot is earned.
|
|
#
?
Mar 17, 2015 20:10
|
|
|
TFF is an awful, horrible place to be a 49er fan today. Thanks, ya'all. 49ers' 2012 draft Let me preface this by saying: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Three players from 2012 are still on the team, the 4th round pick (OG Looney, most well known for destroying Kevin Williams' knee in preseason) and two UDFAs (DT Tony Jerrod-Eddie, who's a solid backup, and TE Garret Celek, who has a much better brother). Everyone else is gone. 1 - 30: A.J. Jenkins, Wide Receiver, Illionis (cut by Chiefs, FA) 2 - 61: LaMichael James, RB, Oregon (Dolphins) 4 - 117: Joe Looney, OG, Wake Forest (still on team) 4 - 165: Darius Fleming, ILB, Notre Dame (Patriots) 6 - 180: Trenton Robinson, S, Michigan State (Washington) 6 - 199: Jason Slowey, C, Western Oregon (cut by Raiders, FA) 7 - 237: Cam Johnson, OLB, Virginia (Colts) The worst. And we had so much hope  Edit: added current status Coldforge fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Mar 17, 2015 |
|
#
?
Mar 17, 2015 20:17
|
|
|
LaMichael James is out of the league already wow. Him and Barner both flamed out fast.
|
|
#
?
Mar 17, 2015 20:32
|
|
|
African AIDS cum posted:LaMichael James is out of the league already wow. Him and Barner both flamed out fast. Not out of the league, but I think he's like a third string backup somewhere (Miami?).
|
|
#
?
Mar 17, 2015 20:38
|
|
|
Lance of Llanwyln posted:Well, I guess I'll do the Bills then. Thankfully, this draft isn't horribly depressing. In fact, it's pretty good. Nice post. I think you're a bit higher on some of the picks than I am personally. For me... Round 1, Pick 10 - CB Stephon Gilmore, South Carolina For the #10 overall pick, you really hope to get a Pro Bowler. Stephon Gilmore is not a Pro Bowler. His rookie season was very promising, but his sophomore season was disappointing. He was pretty good last year, but still not where you'd want him to be. All the same, he's very much a good starter and there is still potential for him to grow under Ryan. You know, assuming we get more Revis and less Milliner. Grade: B+ Round 2, Pick 41 - LT Cordy Glenn, Georgia As Lance said, the Bills admitted to doing wrong by Glenn by spreading the rumor that he was more of a guard than a tackle. Okay, way to be really lovely, Buddy. His actual play would have been a tad disappointing if he went in the first round like originally projected, but for a second-rounder he's been great. Grade: A Round 3, Pick 72 - WR T.J. Graham, NC State A turd. Has a touchdown or two to his name, but an overall waste. He's not on the team anymore. Grade: D- Round 4, Pick 105 - OLB Nigel Bradham, FSU He's been playing since his rookie year and since claimed a starting spot. He was phenomenal last year. I thought he was a third-round pick. Getting him in the fourth is something a GM can really hang their hat on. Grade: A+ Round 4, Pick 124 - CB Ron Brooks, LSU A depth cornerback guy that play special teams. It would be lovely counting on him to start, but he holds his own well enough in spot duty. A solid job for a 4th rounder, IMO. Grade: B+ Round 5, Pick 144 - T Zebrie Sanders, FSU He's not in the league anymore and was never even meaningful depth. You can't hit on all of them. Grade: F Round 5, Pick 147 - LB Tank Carder, TCU As mentioned, lost this guy to the Browns when he was claimed off our practice squad. Guess he hasn't really played much. Too bad, having a linebacker named Tank Carder would be pretty cool. Grade: D+ Round 6, Pick 178 - G Mark Asper, Oregon State I don't know who this guy is. Grade: F Round 7, Pick 251 - K John Potter, Western Michigan A kickoff specialist who isn't even on the team anymore. Grade: F UDFAs I don't think any of them made the team except for punter Shaun Powell. The Bills ended up releasing local hero Brian Moorman for him. Then, Powell was so bad, the Bills actually re-signed a washed up Moorman. Shameful. Grade: F Summary This was a strong draft by any team's standards, I think. I still want a little more out of Gilmore, but Glenn and Bradham have become excellent building blocks. Graham was a whiff, though, and there are just too many guys who aren't even on NFL rosters anymore. Even for late-rounders, you expect some value. I think you have to weigh early rounds more heavily, though, sooo... Overall Grade: B+
|
|
#
?
Mar 17, 2015 21:04
|
|
|
The 2012 Detroit Lions Round 1, 23 Riley Reiff OT Iowa Some fans hated him for not being David DeCastro or Janoris Jenkins. Saw the field as a sixth lineman his rookie year, took over the left tackle spot from Jeff Backus in 2013 and has been solid since. Won't get any accolades, but will protect the quarterback, unless it's 4th down and you're driving for the comeback against the Cowboys.  Grade: B+ Round 2, 54 Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma Fans REALLY hated him for not being a cornerback or Peter Konz, and for being injured. He was the all-time NCAA leader in receptions, but was also coming off an ACL tear. Sadly, that gamble has not paid off, as Broyles tore his other ACL his rookie season and ruptured his Achilles tendon the next year. During the 2014 preseason, fans finally came around on Broyles because he has seemingly magnetic hands and guarantees a first down when he gets the ball. He beat the odds and made the team, to much surprise and delight, only to ride the bench all year behind unspectacular Jeremy Ross, to much surprise and anger. Has been absurdly unlucky in his brief career.  Grade: D, but people still like him Round 3, 85 Dwight "Bill" Bentley CB Louisiana–Lafayette Fans hated him for being the first corner the team drafted, and it was already the third round. Always seems to win the starting nickel position, and always seems to get a season-ending injury. Last year's came in the season opener. It's still hard to evaluate him, but he's never shown much special. Grade: C- Round 4, 125 Ronnell Lewis DE Oklahoma Fans loved him because his nickname in college was "The Hammer." Never fit the scheme, finished his NFL career with two tackles in one season. Was arrested in 2013 and cut before the season started. A dumb, dumb failure. Grade: F Round 5, 138 Tahir Whitehead LB Temple Fans hated him because we traded up with the Vikings to get him. Did nothing for his first two seasons, partly because Jim Schwartz would never play a rookie when he could play a veteran. Came on in the preseason last year as part of Teryl Austin's awesome new defense, and took over the MLB position when Stephen Tulloch went down. An exciting part of the suddenly great linebacking corps. Grade: A- Round 5, 148 Chris Greenwood CB Albion Fans loved him for being a Detroit native and for playing at Albion. Hope always sprung eternal with Greenwood, but it was a briny spring. Incredibly athletic, always injured, always hot flashes that weren't sustained. The new coaching staff gave up on him before the 2014 season, but he's found his way to the Ravens, which isn't too bad, all things considered. Grade: D Round 6, 196 Jonte Green DB New Mexico State Fans had no idea who he was when he was drafted. A project that was forced into play with all the injuries in 2012. Got picked on regularly before showing some improvement at the end of the year. Didn't play much in 2013 due to Jim Schwartz's aforementioned fear of young players. Released in training camp last year after showing little in the preseason. Seems to be a Bill now, so kudos to him for sticking around the league. Grade: C Round 7, 223 Travis Lewis LB Oklahoma Fans were lying if they claimed to have actual opinions on Travis Lewis. The third Oklahoma player and the second Lewis drafted that year, but by far the more successful one. Good on special teams, still on the team, but got injured reserved last year. Still, for a seventh rounder... Grade: B+ The Verdict: Not a disaster, but incredibly disappointing, especially before Whitehead's recent ascension. Thank God Mayhew is better with free agents, and thank God that the drafting improved after the arrival of Brian Xanders in 2013. But we'll get to that next year. Grade: C-
|
|
#
?
Mar 17, 2015 21:11
|
|
|
Giants 2012 draft was loving terrible and a large part of the reason Giants fans now seem to clamor for Jerry Reese's head. Rd 1: David Wilson - RB - Couldn't hold onto the ball well enough for Coughlin and couldn't pass block for poo poo. Beat the gently caress out of the Saints late in the season and then died. We'll never know how good he could have been Grade - Incomplete Rd2: Rueben Randle -WR- Has turned into a #2 or #3 WR. He's profoundly dumb but talented, and he at least contributes. Is almost straight up Mario Manningham 2.0. Grade - B Rd3: Jayron Hosley -DB- Had a mediocre rookie year and has been poo poo since, even on our depleted secondary Grade: F Rd4: Adrien Robinson -TE- A mid round Tight End nobody expected anything from, didn't catch a ball till this past season, and is primarily used as a blocker. Grade: D+ Rd4: Brandon Mosley - OT- Has done nothing of value, if he's on the field it means someone got hurt Grade D Rd6: Matt McCants -OT- never saw the field, cut after one year, now a backup who never sees the field on the loving Raiders Grade: F Rd7: Markus Kuhn -DT- Depth player on the D-line. Got his first & only sack this year. For a 7th rounder it's hard to be mad about it. Grade: C- So our first rounder died, our second rounder is the only genuine contributor to the team and he's unreliable, and the rest are gone or probably gone very soon. If the 49ers draft didn't exist we might have the worst 2012 draft.
|
|
#
?
Mar 17, 2015 21:44
|
|
|
Burger Trench posted:Round 5, Pick 147 - LB Tank Carder, TCU As a TCU fan I'm shocked that he's still in the NFL let alone even being a 5th round pick. He was a great college player with skills that did not translate to the NFL at all.
|
|
#
?
Mar 17, 2015 21:50
|
|
|
San Diego Chargers Round 1, Pick 18 (18) - Melvin Ingram, OLB The other Ingram not named Mark has shown some serious potential, but he's been injury prone. Still on the team, still a starter. B- Round 2, Pick 17 (49) - Kendall Reyes, DE Regressed in 2014 with only 1 sack, compared to the 5 in the previous two years. He is pretty drat good at getting pressure on the QB, but could never seal the deal and record the sack. B Round 3, Pick 10 (73) - Brandon Taylor, SS Who? No seriously, I can't find any quick info on this guy. I'm guessing he's not in the NFL anymore. F Round 4, Pick 15 (110) - Ladarius Green, TE A potential long-term replacement for Antonio Gates, but is still playing in his shadow. He hasn't gotten a significant number of snaps just yet to see if he's good or not. Incomplete Round 5, Pick 14 (149) - Johnnie Troutman, OG gently caress me. This guy is an okay guard, but doesn't have the stamina to be an every-down guy. When he's in rotation, he can be pretty great, but can't keep it up. The team would be better served by drafting someone to compete with him on the line. D+ Round 7, Pick 19 (226) - David Molk, C Cut by the Chargers at the end of the 2012 season, got picked up by the Eagles in 2014 (didn't play at all in 2013). 4 starts, with 7 games played with them, likely he was picked up dumpster diving for a center during the season. F Round 7, Pick 43 (250) - Edwin Baker, RB Couldn't find any information on him, likely hasn't played at all. F Ingram, Reyes, Green and Troutman are all still on the team, with 3 washouts. Troutman isn't long for the NFL as a starter unless he gets significantly better in a hurry. Melvin Ingram, Kendall Reyes, and LaDarius Green are all decent, but nowhere near top-tier talent. That's why I give the Chargers overall grade a D+ for the 2012 draft. Thank god AJ Smith got fired after this season. Not only was he a piece of poo poo who couldn't keep talent on the team, he tended to take huge risks in the draft, which usually ended up with washouts more often than not. This particular draft wasn't as bad as others, but compared to other teams it's pretty abysmal.
|
|
#
?
Mar 17, 2015 22:42
|
|
|
Coldforge posted:Not out of the league, but I think he's like a third string backup somewhere (Miami?). wiki says he's out of contract, wonder if he'll sign anywhere
|
|
#
?
Mar 17, 2015 23:04
|
|
|
Might as well do pick by pick since I'm at a computer now 1.26) Whitney Mercilus, OLB Illinois He was pretty much drafted off the strength of a single breakout season and hasn't show all that much in the NFL. Occasionally he'll have flashes, but for the most part he gets stuck on blocks, isn't good at hand fighting, and gets pushed out of the play when speed rushing. A competent defender but not really what you're looking for out of the first round and a complete waste of a killer name D 3.68) Devier Posey, WR tOSU Posey has barely seen action in his career to this point. He had one nice game against the Patriots and promptly tore his achilles. He was active for one game last season, but is the current #3 WR on the depth chart thanks mostly to how barren it is. Expect that to change after this year's draft. He may very well get cut if White falls to 16 or if the Texans take a shot at Strong or Parker. TY Hilton was drafted later in the third F 3.76) Brandon Brooks, OG Miami (OH) He's come along pretty well and is a solid starting RG, taking over for the departed Brisiel. A nice pickup late in the third round B+ 4.99) Ben Jones, OG/C Georgia He's been playing LG and will almost certainly be the starting center this season. He's very up and down, a bit on the small side so he gets pushed around a bit and his footwork isn't always there. He also seems to lack speed off the snap. Still, he's a starter and has been getting better. B 4.121) Keshawn Martin, WR Michigan State A huge disappointment. He was supposed to revitalize a stagnant return game and has utterly failed to do so. He's probably one of the worst returners in the league, and as a receiver he drops far too many passes and can't get separation. Late 4th so who cares, but D- 4.126) Jared Crick, DE Nebraska At the time he was considered a bit of a steal, came on last year after the departure of Antonio Smith and did a very nice job. An under the radar player who still has room to improve given that he's only been starting for one year and a great contributor given his draft position B+ 5.161) Randy Bullock, K Texas A&M Fat kicker! He was an unmitigated disaster in 2013 and struggled at times in 2014 as well. Has a big leg and has shown the ability to be accurate over stretches, but goes into these funks where you hold your breath every time he tries to make it from 35. He was the first kicker taken in this draft, and the Texans could have had Greg the Leg or Justin Tucker instead which is a disappointment. This is probably his last year to prove he can be a consistently accurate kicker and I wouldn't be surprised to see a UDFA or veteran brought in to push him during the preseason C But mostly who cares, he's a 5th round kicker 6.195) Nick Mondek, OT Purdue I don't think he ever got off the practice squad. Currently a free agent Dud Overall, five players out of this draft will be starters (Mercilus, Jones, Brooks, Crick, Bullock counts I guess), potentially six if they decide to roll with Posey. Posey and Martin were both disappointments for the most part though, and this was at a time of need at the WR position so that hurts. Fortunately Nuk came along the next year. The pick they picked up trading down from the 2nd resulted in Posey and Crick instead of likely Rueben Randle, so I can live with that I guess C+ vvv Ehhh mostly agreed, bumped Ben Jones from a C to a B Kickers don't really count as starters though so leaving him as a C Intruder fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Mar 17, 2015 |
|
#
?
Mar 17, 2015 23:11
|
|
|
I give much more generous grades to starters than this thread. I think getting any starter* from round 4 down is a B+ at worst. *I guess if you're starting on a super lovely team and would not make it on most teams, then yeah.
|
|
#
?
Mar 17, 2015 23:13
|
|
|
SlipUp posted:Ravens: Your draft grade on Gino is too high, he's the loving "hole in the zone" of centers. You are also rating Asa Jackson far too low, he's going to be our second starting CB and would have been all last year if he was healthy/non suspended, he's eclipsed the shell that is Ladarius Webb and it is hard to pass the All Pro talent Jimmy Smith has, especially since Asa lacks Smith's physical tools. Most of that stuff I don't hold against him and getting a quality starting corner from your fifth round pick has to be at least A-.
|
|
#
?
Mar 17, 2015 23:46
|
|
|
Coldforge posted:TFF is an awful, horrible place to be a 49er fan today. Thanks, ya'all. Every niners fan that defended the AJ Jenkins pick should have to annually recant their sins.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 01:17
|
|
|
FizFashizzle posted:Every niners fan that defended the AJ Jenkins pick should have to annually recant their sins. Do Carolina Fiz. Gettleman's first draft.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 01:40
|
|
|
SpclKen posted:Do Carolina Fiz. Gettleman's first draft. It was Hurney's last draft 
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 01:46
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 01:56
|
|
|
Basically the 2012 draft was the most Hurney thing ever. All world linebacker in the first (his 4th), random rear end stud CB in the later rounds, a WR/KR project that didn't survive the year, and a whole bunch of poo poo. 1. LB - Luke Kuechly - Unlike other players mentioned in this thread, people don't roll their eyes when you say he's the best 4-3 MLB in football. ROTY, DMVP, perennial Pro Bowler, all around good guy and thai food enthusiast. A + would draft again. 2. G- Amini Silatolu - a massive interior lineman from the Mayberry Conference, he was just some rando workout warrior who hurney fell in love with. Played well his rookie year but can't stay healthy. C 3. EDGE - Frank Alexander - useful rotational defensive end who keeps getting suspended for a variety of things. C 4. WR/KR/PR/Nothing Joe Adams - your typical hurney undersized project wr that vanishes after a year. F 5. DB - Josh Norman - loving random rear end stud CB. One of the best young corners in the league, top ten in PFF last year. Was a loving Chanticleer for god's sake. Holds the football after interceptions like a loaf of goddamn bread. Was the inspiration for this ridiculous rant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EChnZTJicw Called out steve smith in OTAs his loving ROOKIE YEAR. is possibly the dumbest person on any field he steps on. Gives ridiculous interviews. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypH2iFtbefQ A+ would draft again. 6. P - Brad Nortman - uh a really good punter? okay. B it's the sixth round who gives a poo poo 7. S - DJ Campbell - actually saw playing time and was dogshit. it's the seventh round who cares. Overall the Panthers grabbed 4 starters on the current out of this draft. It's not Hurney's worst (2005 never forget) and pretty average for him. He got the best defensive player in the draft, a really good corner, a good guard when he's not hurt, a punter, and a rotational DE. I think a B is in order. FizFashizzle fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Mar 18, 2015 |
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 02:18
|
|
|
Bengals 2012 Draft: Round 1 pick 17 - Dre Kirkpatrick CB - Injured early, barely played, looked awful when he did, but then this season seemed to turn it around some. I'm hesitant to say it was a total waste, considering he had veterans playing very good football in front of him, but I've yet to see anything that says "worth a first round pick" Grade - D+ Round 1 pick 27 - Kevin Zeitler G - Was a super high quality guard his first season, 12th overall according to PFF (leading all rookies), and stayed just as strong, coming back from injuries to be a PFF all-pro honorable mention this past season. Second best lineman on the team behind Whit. Grade A+ Round 2 pick 53 - Devon Still DT - High expectations for a guy to come in and contribute, has disappointed in every way. Never really put it together, and was going to be cut before his daughter's diagnosis. Hung around the team for good PR and potential, was resigned for the season and played a small part in the rotation, decent space filler at best. Grade - F Round 3 pick 83 - Mohammad Sanu WR - Looked good as a number two to AJ Green early, then got injured for the rest of his rookie season, hasn't been able to retake the #2 spot from Marvin. He's decently tall with good footwork, but no speed, and not crisp enough on routes to separate from coverage, always a good RZ threat for TDs, provides "gadget" flexibility with his throwing, and led the league in dropped passes. There's a definite mixed bag where he's definitely worth a roster spot, but he's also very replaceable. Grade - C+ Round 3 pick 93 - Brandon Thompson DT - See Devon Still, take out the daughter's cancer part, give him 5x the sacks (to a total of 2.5), and the same loving grade! Grade - F Round 4 pick 116 - Orson Charles TE - Big blocking TE that can be flexed down to FB, really well regarded by the coaching staff, doesn't really earn a lot of stats or accolades because of his role/position. In the 4th round you can do a hell of a lot worse Grade - B- Round 5 pick 156 - Shaun Prater CB - Didn't make it on the Bengals, got claimed by the Eagles, now in Minnesota. Before I googled this guy if you asked me who Shaun prater is I'd have said a kicker. Grade F, but it's a 5th round pick so who gives a gently caress Round 5 pick 166 - Marvin Jones WR - Decent #2, lost last season to injury, but definite promise and TD production. In the 5th round you can't expect any better Grade B+ Round 5 pick 167 - George Iloka FS - Became the starting FS his second year, not exactly the roaming ball-hawking type but solid enough. Seems to be a sure tackler, and the coaching staff trusts him. Grade B+ Round 6 pick 191 - Dan Herron RB - Hey you went to OSU and have a decent shot to make the team, how'd you do? Oh 4 carries for 5 yards? But he looked really loving good on the Colts this year so what the hell do I know. Grade - F UDFA Emmanuel Lamur - OLB - Really high upside athletic OLB that has played his role on the team perfectly, absolutely thrilled to have him back as a flexible piece to a young LB corps. Grade A+ Trevor Robinson - C - Ended up starting 7 games as a rookie, and looked decent doing it. Strong run blocker, sucks in pass protection, still on the team as a back up/rotational player that rarely sees the field Grade - B+ just for his first year value/UDFA status Vontaze Burfict  Pretty much the loving best  except when he does lovely things  and also he tackles like a loving idiot.  Grade loving A+ Overall draft grade - A. Big whiffs in the 1st, second, and third, but so many late hits on cheap players, three contributing UDFAs, and one of the best guards in the league. I'll take that every time.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 02:23
|
|
|
Oh man those two vids for Carolina are awesome. Hahaha. "Don't need more meows!"
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 02:25
|
|
|
KettleWL posted:Bengals 2012 Draft: I think you're massively underrating Dre, even though its not exactly what you expect out of a 1st, he has been a spectacular gunner and like you said, he's been stuck behind talent. When the pick was made I don't think anyone thought Terence loving Newman would play through 2014. In what he has sshown as a corner, he's been very aggressive and has definitely blown some coverages, but he makes up for that imo with great ball skills and sure tackling. Time will tell because he's going to get a huge chance this year and he might walk anyway after this year, but I don't think it was that bad of a pick. Also Orson Charles loving sucks and isn't even on the team any more
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 02:40
|
|
|
Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:I think you're massively underrating Dre, even though its not exactly what you expect out of a 1st, he has been a spectacular gunner and like you said, he's been stuck behind talent. When the pick was made I don't think anyone thought Terence loving Newman would play through 2014. In what he has sshown as a corner, he's been very aggressive and has definitely blown some coverages, but he makes up for that imo with great ball skills and sure tackling. Time will tell because he's going to get a huge chance this year and he might walk anyway after this year, but I don't think it was that bad of a pick. Underrating ST contributions is fair, because I honestly rarely watch ST snaps at all, and yeah the old guys in front of him have held him back. But, he was unable to displace those aging vets for, essentially, two and a half seasons. Not what you expect from a 1st round CB, and relative to his draft position I don't know what else he could get. Maybe a C-, for the unknown potential/flashes he's shown. Totally blew it on Charles, no idea why I thought he was still on the team. But I do know that the team was very optimistic about using him as a "swiss army knife" type player and thought he was still filling that role. I guess when he got replaced by Alex Smith I just thought they were the same dude? Idk
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 03:18
|
|
|
I saw Dre Kirkpatrick strut down the sidelines in the pouring rain taunting Peyton Manning by holding his two intercepted footballs out either end of his freakishly long wingspan live. He's alright by me.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 04:22
|
|
|
I don't care about anything he has done or will do because this picture is so loving tight.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 04:28
|
|
|
Marketing New Brain posted:Your draft grade on Gino is too high, he's the loving "hole in the zone" of centers. You are also rating Asa Jackson far too low, he's going to be our second starting CB and would have been all last year if he was healthy/non suspended, he's eclipsed the shell that is Ladarius Webb and it is hard to pass the All Pro talent Jimmy Smith has, especially since Asa lacks Smith's physical tools. Most of that stuff I don't hold against him and getting a quality starting corner from your fifth round pick has to be at least A-. Asa Jackson fuckin sucks dude lol.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 04:55
|
|
|
lol you gave Brandon Thompson an F and Orson Charles a B+. Neither Orson Charles or Trevor Robinson are on the team anymore. No Irish Need Imply fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Mar 18, 2015 |
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 04:57
|
|
|
Ostentatious posted:Oakland Raiders What a dog poo poo draft holy poo poo it's so bad
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 05:07
|
|
|
Febreeze posted:Giants 2012 draft was loving terrible and a large part of the reason Giants fans now seem to clamor for Jerry Reese's head. If only we were able to get Doug Martin instead. That's who they really wanted. gently caress the Bucs.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 05:20
|
|
|
Blitz7x posted:What a dog poo poo draft holy poo poo it's so bad Yeah, I looked it and confirmed what I remembered it- those first three pics were all compensatory. We didn't actually use one of our real picks until the 5th round. Also, Christo Bilukidi, DE, was left out. 6th round pick that I don't remember anything about and was cut the next year. He's on the Ravens now. This really could be the worst raiders draft ever.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 05:53
|
|
|
Marketing New Brain posted:Your draft grade on Gino is too high, he's the loving "hole in the zone" of centers. You are also rating Asa Jackson far too low, he's going to be our second starting CB and would have been all last year if he was healthy/non suspended, he's eclipsed the shell that is Ladarius Webb and it is hard to pass the All Pro talent Jimmy Smith has, especially since Asa lacks Smith's physical tools. Most of that stuff I don't hold against him and getting a quality starting corner from your fifth round pick has to be at least A-. Ya Gino is as bad a player as you will ever see. I never give Fs after the second, and any pick after four that never sees the field is a D. He filled a position for a couple games, so he's a D+ as opposed to Thompson and Streeter. Asa is not ready to be a #2. He's better then the shell of Webb but not Webb as he was. He really should only see the field on dime or quarters, but he does do well on ST. Good starters get A's. He's not all that uncommon to what you would find in the fifth. If he develops into a good nickel I'd say A-.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 06:15
|
|
|
warcrimes posted:Yeah, I looked it and confirmed what I remembered it- those first three pics were all compensatory. We didn't actually use one of our real picks until the 5th round. Also, Christo Bilukidi, DE, was left out. 6th round pick that I don't remember anything about and was cut the next year. He's on the Ravens now. Sorry if I missed anyone, I had a hard time remembering this entire draft and purposefully blocked Terrelle Pryor out of my mind for my own sanity
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 06:21
|
|
|
JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:I don't care about anything he has done or will do because this picture is so loving tight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvcsffTQojI
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 06:35
|
|
|
Where the gently caress did the shark go
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 06:44
|
|
|
We in Washington no longer speak of the 2012 draft.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 10:57
|
|
|
This is the draft where the Browns picked Brandon Weeden and Trent Richardson both in the first round. It wasn't a very good draft
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 13:39
|
|
|
momtartin posted:This is the draft where the Browns picked Brandon Weeden and Trent Richardson both in the first round. It wasn't a very good draft Mingo who I do like apparently didn't pan out right nor Gilbert and Manziel. We get these picks and waste them.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 13:59
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 23, 2024 19:28 |
|
|
Atticus Finch posted:lol you gave Brandon Thompson an F and Orson Charles a B+. Other than the fact that he's still on the team how is Brandon Thompson in any way worthy of a 3rd round pick? And Trevor Robinson provided a hell of a lot more value in his 7 games starting than most UDFAs achieve in their whole career, I'd say that's a pretty good return on an UDFA shot
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 14:01
|
|