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Parallax Scroll posted:generations wasn't about any threat to earth was it? just some buttfuck planet no one cared about True, but I think they mentioned that there was some sort of industrial or pre-industrial culture on the planet. What I disliked about the plot, and the plots of Insurrection/Nemesis/ST:09/ST:ID is that they all revolved around a crazy guy with a doomsday weapon. Wrath of Khan was awesome, but they kept recycling the plot while forgetting what made it a good movie. There was tons of character development, there was a backstory, there was a theme about getting old and feeling useless, etc. The aforementioned movies were all, "Herp Derp, bad guy has a super weapon!" You could say The Motion Picture and The Voyage Home had similar plots, but they were done in a much better way and the enemies were not insane guys, and the "destruction of earth" wasn't due to malicious intent. Watching the Extra Content on WOK where the actors and writers are talking about making the movie really makes it apparent how the story was the #1 priority in WOK while you can tell that the newer movies were more interested in the Picard/Data wankfest and Lens Flares rather than plot.
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generations is a badass trek movie imo
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Fetus Tree posted:generations is a badass trek movie imo Which part? The part where a grown man cries like a frightened child, the part where a tiny-rear end Klingon ship takes down the Enterprise D, the glaring plot holes made possible by the magical macguffin, the hamfisted B-plot where the super-autistic robot tries to be comic relief that never amounts to anything, or the part where one of the most important characters in the franchise goes out like a total chump for no compelling reason whatsoever? Generations is one of those movies that isn't that bad when you watch it but if you sit and reflect on it for like, thirty goddamn seconds it starts to piss you off hardcore.
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Mar 17, 2015 14:34
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First Contact was pretty cool though, but I think that was largely because they finally played their Borg trump card.
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lol if you get mad at movies
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Ape Fist posted:First Contact was pretty cool though, but I think that was largely because they finally played their Borg trump card. It was the last good trek film imo.
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Ape Fist posted:First Contact was pretty cool though, but I think that was largely because they finally played their Borg trump card. Pretty much. I'm calling it now-- the next Trek film is going to be TOS meets the Borg. I called Khan back in 2009 and kept firm all the way up until release in 2013 despite other Goons angryposting at me "cause the production team swears it isn't Khan you idiot", so I feel justified in doing this. opus111 posted:It was the last good trek film imo. By a wide margin, and even then it isn't more than dumb fun for the most part. Fetus Tree posted:lol if you get mad at movies Beep boop Goonbot does not compute e-mo-tions. Is the tattoo on your rear end of Data or Spock?
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opus111 posted:It was the last good trek film imo. A lot of people complained it was 'Dark'. Which I thought was sort of nonsense. TNG had a lot of 'dark' storylines and dark moral choices the difference is that it was done behind lenses caked in what appears to be Vaseline and skin-tight jumpsuits. mind the walrus posted:Pretty much. I'm calling it now-- the next Trek film is going to be TOS meets the Borg. I really loving hope not. The Borg of that particular time-frame are just as brutally powerful as they were at TNG-levels. And in fairness, TNG Borg would also largely ignore the Federation at that state because all they're doing is feebly roaming around their small corner of the Galaxy. Then again The Borg's introduction to Starfleet was done very specifically by Q as a test because he believed at the time the Federation were potentially resourceful and clever enough to figure out how to handle them. Not that the new movies give a gently caress about Canon anyway. Ape Fist fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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undiscovered country fuckin rules too btw and also mind the walrus, if somebody actually gets mad at star trek generations yes i am going to lol at them
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Ape Fist posted:I really loving hope not. The Borg of that particular time-frame are just as brutally powerful as they were at TNG-levels. And in fairness, TNG Borg would also largely ignore the Federation at that state because all they're doing is feebly roaming around their small corner of the Galaxy. Then again The Borg's introduction to Starfleet was done very specifically by Q as a test because he believed at the time the Federation were potentially resourceful and clever enough to figure out how to handle them. That feeling in the pit of your stomach? That's the part of you that knows drat well I'm closer to being right than you want to admit. The reboot series is far from as bad as it could be-- it's actually got a really good cast--but it also suffers a lot from screenwriters that take a word cloud from Trekkie focus groups "Khan, Undiscovered Country, Section 31, Klingons, Borg, Q, Tribbles" and transplant as much as they can into the script regardless of context. Fetus Tree posted:undiscovered country fuckin rules too btw Undiscovered Country really does loving rule. It's a much closer second to WoK than most people think. And that's fine, but you never answered--Spock or Data?
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Mar 17, 2015 15:03
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mind the walrus posted:And that's fine, but you never answered--Spock or Data? I recreated the gel rubbing scene from enterprise with trip and tpol
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From what I've seen of Star Trek Vulcans without emotional control are supposed to be violent, impulsive and paranoid. The Romulans are more a scheming, totalitarian and underhanded sort so I don't really like that explanation. 
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Mar 17, 2015 15:56
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They split off like a long rear end time ago
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Mar 17, 2015 16:10
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Vulcans are Jews, romulans area arabs
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Biomute posted:From what I've seen of Star Trek Vulcans without emotional control are supposed to be violent, impulsive and paranoid. The Romulans are more a scheming, totalitarian and underhanded sort so I don't really like that explanation. Actually they're both scheming totaliatiean and underhanded, vulcans just have better pr
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Mar 17, 2015 16:23
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I'm glad that thing had knees! Not all species keep their genitals in the same place...
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opus111 posted:It was the last good trek film imo.
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Mar 17, 2015 23:28
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it was passable sci-fi but it wasn't trek. thats my issue with it. also its annoying cos when i finally admit to a gal that i like trek they always think im talking about the new one and i have to keep the rage inside me cos i dont want to look like a sad nerd.
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Mar 17, 2015 23:31
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as a kid watching trek i learned that racism is bad and even people of radically different beliefs and cultures can cooperate
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Gonna be REALLY patronizing to the space jews i holocausted. EDIT: I just realized that this could also easily apply to cardies. STAR TREK IS FULL OF ORGINAL IDEAS. Nathilus fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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Mange Mite posted:Vulcans are Jews, romulans area arabs Star Trek has too many space Jews. The Bajorans because they got occupied. The Ferengi because they are early-1900's Jewish stereotypes played by predominantly Jewish actors. The Cardassians because they brutally occupied another people.
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Blistex posted:Star Trek has too many space Jews. Cardassians can't be jews because that would mean a mainstream american entertainment program criticized Israel.
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Blistex posted:Star Trek has too many space Jews. They are even different kinds of jews. its amazing when you think about it. Bajorans follow the whiny reform jew stereotype. Ferengi are the money-grubbing weasel type. Cardies are zionists. JEWS JEWS JEWS! Its OK tho and not racist. Ferengi and Dukat at least. Cuz they mad funny.
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drat GBS is obsessed with jews.
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Vulcans made first contact with humans only to use humanity as muscle in their civil war against the Romulans. Look it up.
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Humans are the illegal immigrants of the something something
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Parallax Scroll posted:generations wasn't about any threat to earth was it? just some buttfuck planet no one cared about Generations was a lovely movie. Stopping fusion in a star does not get rid of it's mass.
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ALSO light travels at a set speed and when the viridian star turns dark no one on the surface of viridian 3 or whatever would even know for 7-8 minutes because thats how long it takes light to reach an m class planet ALSO light speed travel is impossible ALSO theres no sound in space ALSO its a fictional movie and tv series p'takh
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Fetus Tree posted:undiscovered country fuckin rules too btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU2ftCitvyQ
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Wrath of Khan really is the perfect sci-fi movie, and every single attempt to remake it shows how utterly moronic current film makers are. There were no ridiculous fist fights or action scenes. Kirk and Khan are never even on screen together. Everything was about the mental battle between them. It's why the ship battles weren't just explosions for the sake of it - each movement was an extension of the characters. Khan didn't need the biggest ship or huge army to be a threat either - he used cunning to get the upper hand. And as was said previously, he had a real back story, even beyond what happened in the TOS episode - he was a notorious figure in earth's history. Absolutely everything in the movie had weight, and consequence, and import. Every character had a motivation, a line of thought that came through in their actions. It mattered when nameless crewmen died, and it mattered when major characters died. The way Kirk and Dr Marcus looked at each other - you could feel the history between them even without the dialogue. You could feel how everything kept adding up to make Kirk feel old. You could feel how it was the characters of Kirk and Khan that was driving everything that happened. None of it exists in Nemesis or the reboots. Nothing matters. They take ship battles and doomsday weapons and fighting and make it completely meaningless. tl;dr I'm angry about spaceships.
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I was hoping Nemesis would be good because it had Romulans, arguably the coolest faction in Star Trek. It wasn't.
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Why don't they just put holoemitters on the bridge so when people beam over to fight the bridge crew and only the bridge crew as is custom you can spawn a sawblade and cut off their heads or something.
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why don't they weaponize teleporters? beam the other captain out into space before they raise shields. or beam a live torpedo into their engine room. why are you shooting poo poo? worf can't aim gently caress star trek
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There's a series of novels where the Federation actually uses all of its miraculous technology intelligently, creatively and to its full advantage. Its by Scottish author Iain M. Banks, check it out.
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TEAYCHES posted:im gay
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im pooping! posted:ALSO its a fictional movie and tv series Volcott posted:Why don't they just put holoemitters on the bridge so when people beam over to fight the bridge crew and only the bridge crew as is custom you can spawn a sawblade and cut off their heads or something. Imagine teleporting over, wondering where everybody is, and then the walls close in and crush you to death. Mr. Pumroy posted:why don't they weaponize teleporters? beam the other captain out into space before they raise shields. or beam a live torpedo into their engine room. why are you shooting poo poo? worf can't aim gently caress star trek Yaos fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Mar 18, 2015 |
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Otisburg posted:There's a series of novels where the Federation actually uses all of its miraculous technology intelligently, creatively and to its full advantage. Pro post. He ain't kidding.
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Mr. Pumroy posted:why don't they weaponize teleporters? beam the other captain out into space before they raise shields. or beam a live torpedo into their engine room. why are you shooting poo poo? worf can't aim gently caress star trek Both of those things happened on Voyager, though it was a former crewmember who stole some tech that did the guy-beaming.
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Didnt they beam moriarty into space
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