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MourningView posted:The dudes are the very very tippy top do, but they're very much the exception. Really big fights still sell like crazy but there's only a tiny handful of people who can do that. Oh really? That doesn't surprise. Still funny that the purse for this upcoming fight is $200 million, so Pacquiao could get paid like $80 million for a days work losing a fight.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:13
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MourningView posted:The dudes are the very very tippy top do, but they're very much the exception. Really big fights still sell like crazy but there's only a tiny handful of people who can do that. Yeah the average middling dude makes probably between 10-20k a fight plus whatever purse he might get for winning and has to pay for his camp and any necessary medical care out of his own pocket
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Mar 17, 2015 17:14
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Also worth mentioning is that boxing was the one major sport to resist massive unification in the middle of the century. There are at any given moment as many as four or five world champs in every weight class. It's hard for the sport to gain massive attention when it's a confusing mess of small organizations doing whatever they want.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:15
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Well, Patrick retiring comes as a shock in an already awful off-season, but hey, we have this Chris Borland we just drafted who can step into the role full-time and anchor the LB core for a deca.... poo poo.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:20
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Hey you guys remember that Raiders linebacker who is still feeling concussion symptoms like a year after the concussion? Yeah that poo poo is terrifying
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Mar 17, 2015 17:29
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Volkerball posted:Oh really? That doesn't surprise. Still funny that the purse for this upcoming fight is $200 million, so Pacquiao could get paid like $80 million for a days work losing a fight. The purse is 250 million dollars which is more than the UFC has paid salaries in its entire history.But after this fight there is nothing in store for boxing. Mel Mudkiper posted:Also worth mentioning is that boxing was the one major sport to resist massive unification in the middle of the century. There are at any given moment as many as four or five world champs in every weight class. It's hard for the sport to gain massive attention when it's a confusing mess of small organizations doing whatever they want. Somehow I managed to attend an european championship without even realizing.The italian fighter lost and couldn't hear but I have never seen a more furious movement of hands. GNU Order posted:Hey you guys remember that Raiders linebacker who is still feeling concussion symptoms like a year after the concussion? Yeah that poo poo is terrifying Nick Roach 
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Mar 17, 2015 17:33
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GNU Order posted:Hey you guys remember that Raiders linebacker who is still feeling concussion symptoms like a year after the concussion? Yeah that poo poo is terrifying Nick Roach. I loving hate it.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:34
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It's the absolute last hurrah of boxing, it's like if the NFL had the Browns and Lions play in the Super Bowl for a billion zillion dollars
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Mar 17, 2015 17:35
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GNU Order posted:Hey you guys remember that Raiders linebacker who is still feeling concussion symptoms like a year after the concussion? Yeah that poo poo is terrifying I was in a motorcycle wreck that gave me a pretty significant concussion. I bet me hitting that SUV at 25 or so is more force than most football hits, but goddamn if the symptoms didn't last for months on end. Dizzy spells, headaches, light sensitivity, the whole shebang, for about three months. I wasn't even able to hop out of a chair with any stability or confidence for that amount of time and I remember thinking, "Jesus, how do guys in football come back to play in a week or two? I'm so hosed up months later." Edit: I guess I should say that this is relevant because it really made me wonder if the NFL's concussion protocols are up to snuff. It could be that mine was just particularly bad, but whenever I see a guy come back from a concussion within a week or two I wonder if he's just hiding symptoms. AhhYes fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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Mar 17, 2015 17:36
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Chris Pronger's NHL career was ended because of them a couple years ago and he's been fighting depression and blindness in one eye since then. It's some really sad stuff to read.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:39
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DJExile posted:Chris Pronger's NHL career was ended because of them a couple years ago and he's been fighting depression and blindness in one eye since then. It's some really sad stuff to read. Scott Parker is like this, and listening to him talk is super  . He basically drools and screams "put me in, coach! i can still fight!"
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Mar 17, 2015 17:41
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Detroit_Dogg posted:It's the absolute last hurrah of boxing, it's like if the NFL had the Browns and Lions play in the Super Bowl for a billion zillion dollars Maybe the last super mainstream thing for awhile if they can't find another guy who can talk and play a character like Mayweather, but they can still draw good audiences here and there. Especially good Hispanic fighters.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:42
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DJExile posted:Chris Pronger's NHL career was ended because of them a couple years ago and he's been fighting depression and blindness in one eye since then. It's some really sad stuff to read. There's no appropriate way to say this, but I can't think of another guy who tried to seriously injure as many guys as Chris Pronger over the course of his NHL career. And not like injuring while doing something relative to the play, I mean going out of his way to cheapshot guys.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:42
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MourningView posted:Maybe the last super mainstream thing for awhile if they can't find another guy who can talk and play a character like Mayweather, but they can still draw good audiences here and there. Especially good Hispanic fighters. Pacquiao always entertained me more than Mayweather as a casual fan. Like I don't want to hear him talk or anything and he's not as marketable, but goddamn he is magic to watch.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:45
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AhhYes posted:I wasn't even able to hop out of a chair with any stability or confidence for that amount of time and I remember thinking, "Jesus, how do guys in football come back to play in a week or two? I'm so hosed up months later." If you're Ben Roethlisberger you do both
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Mar 17, 2015 17:47
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AsInHowe posted:There's no appropriate way to say this, but I can't think of another guy who tried to seriously injure as many guys as Chris Pronger over the course of his NHL career. And not like injuring while doing something relative to the play, I mean going out of his way to cheapshot guys. Intentionally stomping on a bro's leg with your skate is little beyond cheapshot, he should've been charged with assault for that.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:47
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MourningView posted:Maybe the last super mainstream thing for awhile if they can't find another guy who can talk and play a character like Mayweather, but they can still draw good audiences here and there. Especially good Hispanic fighters. Yeah I certainly don't mean that boxing will absolutely cease to exist, and it will always be around to some degree but the days of boxing captivating a nation are pretty much well and buried after this one. Also I don't know if I would say it's captivating a nation but it sounded good so whatevs
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Mar 17, 2015 17:47
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Keep in mind we also have a relatively America-centric perspective Boxing in Mexico is still a major sporting event down there. Maybe its because I lived in Julio Caesar Chavez's hometown but it felt like fights were being advertised constantly.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:50
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DJExile posted:Chris Pronger's NHL career was ended because of them a couple years ago and he's been fighting depression and blindness in one eye since then. It's some really sad stuff to read. I thought Chris Pronger was a piece of poo poo his entire career but that is terrible to hear. Head injuries suck. Boxing sucks. MMA is worse. Tapout wearing bros are the worst. Thank you for your time.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:52
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Yeah I certainly don't mean that boxing will absolutely cease to exist, and it will always be around to some degree but the days of boxing captivating a nation are pretty much well and buried after this one. It's a pretty big deal. And I dunno. Short term probably, but there will always be someone who comes around and catches fire. People thought it was dead after Tyson went off the rails, but then De La Hoya and later Mayweather came around and started putting up big PPV numbers. I'm sure someone will do that again eventually. Especially if it's a big Latin American fighter, because it's still a relatively big deal in the Hispanic community. Around here there's still a lot of buzz for big fights, and I imagine it's like that other places where that represents a sizeable portion of the population.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:52
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MMA (well at least the UFC) is really, really good about concussions. It's bizarre that something that gets called a bloodsport is better with head trauma than the national pastime in America. Well, actually it's not bizarre if you think about everything we know about the NFL but it's pretty hosed
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Mar 17, 2015 18:05
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I was sitting here trying to come up with one actual thing the NFL has done that's been good for head trauma. Like one thing that they actually successfully carried through on.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:08
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Keep in mind we also have a relatively America-centric perspective Well we're also discussing whether this will hurt the relevance of football which is also America-centric since no one else in the world really cares to begin with Detroit_Dogg posted:MMA (well at least the UFC) is really, really good about concussions. It's bizarre that something that gets called a bloodsport is better with head trauma than the national pastime in America. Well, actually it's not bizarre if you think about everything we know about the NFL but it's pretty hosed UFC is pretty scummy but at least they ban guys for life if they try to hit a dude after the round/fight is over or if they try to rip a guy's knee apart after he tapped out
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Mar 17, 2015 18:09
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Detroit_Dogg posted:I was sitting here trying to come up with one actual thing the NFL has done that's been good for head trauma. Like one thing that they actually successfully carried through on. Moved kickoffs forward 10 yards 
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Mar 17, 2015 18:14
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All the concussions Eric Lindros had lead to redesigning hockey helmets to try and help prevent concussions but also ended his career early. Expecting a kid and my wife and I are already discussing the sports we will let them play, be it boy or girl. Tackle football before high school is already a no.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:17
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^^ Yeah, I read a study somewhere that between the ages of 10-12 the brain is in a super fragile state and any trauma large or small could have life lasting consequences. My kid is playing lacrosse this year, which isn't much better, but it's a different kind of contact so I am happy. Also, congrats!Detroit_Dogg posted:I was sitting here trying to come up with one actual thing the NFL has done that's been good for head trauma. Like one thing that they actually successfully carried through on. I mentioned it earlier, but I just don't know what they can do in regulating a sport that centers around running into someone as hard as you can while he is doing the same? I know there was the "bring back leather helmets" argument but someone would literally die on the field. I know it's easy for us to sit back and say well don't lead with yer head dummy, but I just don't know what could be done that would actually have an impact. weird Asian candy fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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Mar 17, 2015 18:18
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Neil Armbong posted:Tackle football before high school is already a no. It probably shouldn't be a thing tbqh
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Mar 17, 2015 18:33
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Lacrosse has done a much better job lately at penalizing anything even resembling head contact, and I give the UFC credit for most referees seeming to err on the side of ending fights too soon. A guy getting dropped by a solid punch ending the match still isn't the safest thing, but it sure as hell beats guys getting knocked down and attempting to answer standing 10 counts only to get drilled again. E: Hockey has specific head contact penalties now as well. Shame too because I honestly like boxing.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:35
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on the other hand, you still get a lot of this, which i imagine is just magic for your brain. refs can only jump in so fast.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:40
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Most guys would take the walkoff KO when the opponent is clearly out like that. Is that Rampage?
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Mar 17, 2015 18:44
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Intruder posted:Most guys would take the walkoff KO when the opponent is clearly out like that. Is that Rampage? Yes. I still see it fairly often. Guys get in the zone and get in 2-3 punches on an unconscious dude before loving off. It's usually not such blatant "arms spread out and dead to the world" like that, because the fight is clearly over at that point, but it happens.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:46
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Rampage is being a poo poo there because he delivers two extra punches as the ref is pulling on him, but the ref should have put himself on top of the unconscious fighter to separate them instead of those half assed pulls
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Mar 17, 2015 18:48
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 When I saw this I knew he didn't have a bright future in the league. Abysmal tackling form. The league should really encourage proper tackling whether its through penalties or something who knows. The "hawk tackle" rugby style technique Seattle has been teaching has worked wonders for our players. Borland was also pretty undersized and would have probably had to eventually use steroids to put on 15-20 lbs of muscle. Then again Mark Simoneau somehow eked out a 10 year career so who knows.
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Mar 17, 2015 19:17
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Intruder posted:Please try to be respectful, this isn't the "troll 49ers fans" thread Your only warning
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Mar 17, 2015 19:25
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Intruder posted:Your only warning Is this directed at me? If so I don't think that is "trolling 49ers fans" at all.
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Mar 17, 2015 19:29
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Your "Who, me?" act is also tired
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Mar 17, 2015 19:41
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Ok well what exactly are you taking issue with? I remember posting about that tackle at the time it happened and saying the same thing, and I think players should be encouraged to tackle properly with a rugby style technique. I thought he was a good player and generally root for undersized linebackers like him to succeed.
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Mar 17, 2015 19:46
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What you posted has no relevance to the topic of this thread, that Borland is retiring because of the danger of head trauma issues. Instead, you posted a gif showing Lynch bulldozing through him and wrote a mini diatribe about how he wasn't cut out for this league anyway, clearly designed to provoke a 49ers fan reaction. When called on it, you gave the classic "Who, me?" response trolls love to give. You know what you're doing, you don't really need me to explain this to you, and you should probably not post in this thread anymore
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Mar 17, 2015 19:49
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African AIDS cum posted:
As a UK based NFL fan, the horrendous standard of tackling in the NFL compared to rugby has always puzzled me. Edit: Not singling Borland out, just a general observation. And I know that rugby does have it's concussion issues (though it is also working through those at the moment - a couple of weeks ago England's star player Mike Brown voluntarily held himself out of a game against Ireland because of a concussion he sustained the previous week against Italy), but I can't help but think that the 'big hit' culture for want of a better phrase only exasperates the concussion issue in the NFL. tanglewood1420 fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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Controversial opinion: concussions are bad. Discuss.
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