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I've wanted to post something to this effect for some time. Although I do like their trucks, I'm not a Chrysler apologist. I don't, however, like it when self-proclaimed car guys parrot the same misinformed, outdated bullshit you'd find a Consumer Reports magazine. It makes us other guys look ignorant. With that out of the way, here goes. Dear Car Guys, I am sick to poo poo about everyone giving Chrysler/Dodge/Ram so much grief for quality when they're no worse overall than other manufacturers. Do their products show signs of bean-counting in obvious places? Absolutely, but so do other makes. It embarrasses me that alleged car guys parrot the same garbage reflexively without regard to context or reality. Did the torqueflite transmission with electronic solenoid controls suck? Sure did, especially if you fail at preventative maintenance. But you know what? GM's 4L30E sucked as bad, or worse, and don't get me started on Dexcool. And what about Ford's generation of garbage Powerstroke diesels? Don't forget the garbage 1st and 2nd gen AXOD transmissions in Tauruses held together by fairy farts and dreams. These same arguments apply to rust issues and perceived reliability. So yeah, gently caress the blind, unthinking Chrysler haters who continue to spout the same thing repeatedly because it's the "cool thing" to do. If I wanted to hear misinformed, rehashed garbage, I'd go to Edmunds.com. Sincerely, Francis Baconator
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 What are you reading that you think people poo poo on Mopar and not anything else? I don't think you'll find a brand around here that is immune to criticism. But seriously Mopar is objectively poo poo-tier. Right on the same level as Volkswagen. MrChips fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Mar 21, 2015 |
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Mar 21, 2015 16:17
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Volkswagen is worse. Chrysler has taken concrete steps to find their problems and fix them, at least PR-wise. Under the FCA transition and particularly in the Ram product line they've put out products that stand up tons better than before and are no longer actively shameful to own. The Caravan is still a mess and they better turn that ship around in a better way than turning it into the Journey. Chryco still has incredible stylists and I'm curious to see where they're going to go once the Fiat jitters continue to shake out. The Jeep Renegade has the potential to be a knockout clean sheet product like the Kia Soul or the original Subaru Outback if they can execute properly. VW seems unwilling or unable to make the admission in North America that their cars are egregiously decontented and cynically put together (with the exception of the Golf product line which is good). You can't put a Passat CC and a Chrysler 200 next to each other and tell me it's the Chrysler product that gave up. In conclusion VW deserves worse sales than Subaru and Mazda (loving Mazda of all places!) in North America. They'll have their come to Jesus moment soon enough. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Mar 21, 2015 |
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Mar 21, 2015 16:24
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MrChips posted:
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Mar 21, 2015 16:34
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Any time people disagree with me, they're parroting ignorance and now I'm shaking my head in pained incredulity Stop the parroting it's embarrassing stop it
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Mar 21, 2015 16:40
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They're one of many lovely manufacturers that catches more poo poo because in the past they've been garbage. It doesn't help that like VW they've made some questionable design decisions. I mean really at the end of the day its just joking. Is every Chrysler made across history bad? No, but it pretty funny to poke fun at them anyways.
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Mar 21, 2015 16:44
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The only good thing they make is the wrangler and they're doing their best to gently caress that up. Besides the wrangler, I can't think of anything Chrysler has produced in the last 20 years that would be considered the top of its class. For any vehicle they offer, another manufacturer has done it better imo.
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Mar 21, 2015 17:51
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I just did a timing belt on a Neon... Not a particularly difficult job but HOLY loving poo poo WHAT A POORLY DESIGNED CAR!!!!!!!!! I'm much happier working on VAG products...
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Mar 21, 2015 18:38
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Any company that makes something as irredeemably terrible as the:
Deserves to be shamed mercilessly. Even for the rest of their products, the best that can be said for them is, "well, at least they're not the worst in their class!"
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Mar 21, 2015 18:52
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MrChips posted:Any company that makes something as irredeemably terrible as the: I'd forgotten about some of those. God they are awful.
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Mar 21, 2015 18:56
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so when is Chrysler going to stop making garbage
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Mar 21, 2015 18:58
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Volkswagen is worse. Chrysler has taken concrete steps to find their problems and fix them, at least PR-wise.  A duel good sir, have at thee!I really don't care, the CC is awfulgo3 posted:so when is Chrysler going to stop making garbage Francis Baconator posted:I've wanted to post something to this effect for some time. Although I do like their trucks, I'm not a Chrysler apologist. I don't, however, like it when self-proclaimed car guys parrot the same misinformed, outdated bullshit you'd find a Consumer Reports magazine. It makes us other guys look ignorant. With that out of the way, here goes. I hate Chrysler because, despite my VW bias, they really are lovely and have spent more time marketing the same vehicle with a different body, and market vehicles that have obvious problems without working out even the most obvious bugs. They cancel GOOD cars that were selling (XJ and other Jeep products) in favor of lovely designs (Patriot, Commander, etc.) But thanks for signing your post! CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Mar 21, 2015 |
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Mar 21, 2015 19:00
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To be fair, they do build a good truck. ... not counting the 2.5 Dakota (but they made up for it by also offering a V8 in a minitruck).
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Mar 21, 2015 19:04
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Drove a Town and Country rental van last October with 500 miles on it, and the AT was already screwing up its 1-2 and 3-4 shifts. My mother had a Sebring convertible. For it to only have 75k miles it was a rolling piece of poo poo. The convertible top was nice, too bad it had problems with every single part of its electrical system and half of the emissions sensors.
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Mar 21, 2015 19:23
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MrChips posted:Any company that makes something as irredeemably terrible as the: However, my point isn't that their lineup is 100% good or that all their vehicles are easy to work on. My point is that Chrysler often gets an exaggerated, knee-jerk negative reaction about their reliability or quality. Francis Baconator fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Mar 21, 2015 |
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Mar 21, 2015 19:28
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Francis Baconator posted:I'd argue that you can find a corresponding product in the lineup of any other manufacturer (and I will try to give evidence if necessary) for these vehicles; either in similarity or in equality of pandering to perceived market desires. The same could be said about VW and others, but creating a thread just to decry people attacking your favorite brand. If you can't take a good natured ribbing about your favorite brand, why are you in AI? No offense, but VW constantly gets poo poo on, despite the fact that its my favorite brand, and yet I haven't made a thread fighting for the honor of my favorite manufacturer. Seriously, AI is going to be filled with a bunch of Open Letters to so and so haters, its going to turn into stupid petty brand wars like 'Ford vs GM vs Dodge' on truck forums. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Mar 21, 2015 |
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Mar 21, 2015 19:34
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CommieGIR posted:The same could be said about VW and others, but creating a thread just to decry people attacking your favorite brand. If you can't take a good natured ribbing about your favorite brand, why are you in AI? No offense, but VW constantly gets poo poo on, despite the fact that its my favorite brand, and yet I haven't made a thread fighting for the honor of my favorite manufacturer.
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Mar 21, 2015 19:41
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Francis Baconator posted:I think you misunderstood my point. Chrysler isn't my favorite brand. If anything, this was a misguided attempt at dissecting the whole "Chrysler sucks lol" thing. Ford doesn't get poo poo about the garbage 6 speed DCTs in their Fusions et al, for example. If saying something contrary to "Miata is always the answer," then I guess I don't belong in AI. Then why the open letter? Did someone rub you the wrong way? You think there is some misconception about Chrysler that you have to correct the whole forum on? Thanks, we've learned our lesson, no one will rag on Chrysler ever again. Thanks for your efforts.
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Mar 21, 2015 19:44
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We don't get many Chrysler products in England, but the PT Loser and the 1st gen Grand Voyager (Town and Country/whatever) made me hate them. They're awful in every way, with poo poo engines and i hate working on them. They should all be scrapped immediately.
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Mar 21, 2015 19:51
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Chrysler is so lovely they had to get rescued by FIAT 
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CommieGIR posted:Then why the open letter? Did someone rub you the wrong way? You think there is some misconception about Chrysler that you have to correct the whole forum on? That said, I'm legitimately curious if the attitude toward one maker is more ingrained than due to reality. That's all. I apologize if I insulted anyone - that wasn't my intent.
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User Error posted:Chrysler is so lovely they had to get rescued by FIAT Like being saved from drowning by a lifeguard that can't swim. I think Fiat are the only manufacturer that still sells cars in Europe that are genuinely poo poo products. Somehow the 500 is the only decent car they make, probably because it's been launched as an "iconic" car and is really a joint-venture platform with Ford.
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Mar 21, 2015 19:59
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sigtrap posted:Any time people disagree with me, they're parroting ignorance and now I'm shaking my head in pained incredulity Open letter to parrots: Stop parroting. [edit] This is a stupid loving thread OP.
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leica posted:This is a stupid loving thread OP. Based on the success of this thread, i'm going to make one demanding that people stop criticizing VW-Audi Group.
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Mooseykins posted:Based on the success of this thread, i'm going to make one demanding that people stop criticizing VW-Audi Group. I'll co sign, and then post the Wasserboxer as gigantic troll.
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Mar 21, 2015 20:19
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leica posted:[edit] This is a stupid loving thread OP. Mooseykins posted:Based on the success of this thread, i'm going to make one demanding that people stop criticizing VW-Audi Group. CommieGIR posted:I'll co sign, and then post the Wasserboxer as gigantic troll. 
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Mar 21, 2015 20:33
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Francis Baconator posted:I'm eagerly awaiting the brand apologist thread. I'll be there with my Fiatsler armband on. To be fair, if you represent Fiat, when it looks like you're gonna lose you just switch sides.
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Mar 21, 2015 20:39
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Ram trucks aren't too bad but I'd still get a Chevy over one, and I hate GM as much as Republicans hate poor people. Does Fiasler have a single really good, competitive product for its segment these days? The Wrangler and the Charger are cool but they aren't really competing against against anything. Maybe the Grand Cherokee?
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Mar 21, 2015 20:41
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Mooseykins posted:To be fair, if you represent Fiat, when it looks like you're gonna lose you just switch sides.  (sorry, there's none for Mussolini or Marchionne)
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Wheeee posted:I hate GM as much as Republicans hate poor people. Oh, wow. I didn't think GM was that bad. Wheeee posted:Does Fiasler have a single really good, competitive product for its segment these days? The Wrangler and the Charger are cool but they aren't really competing against against anything. Maybe the Grand Cherokee? Is there a major competitor for the Charger Hellcat over there? Some stupid-fast 4-door? I suppose, here, the 500 has a pretty decent market share in the super-mini segment, and has been a success.
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Mar 21, 2015 20:45
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Francis Baconator posted:I, for one, welcome our new Italian overlords. Most of the smilies don't have hair. They're ALL Mussolini.
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Mar 21, 2015 21:16
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If you're buying a Chrysler that isn't a Jeep, Ram or muscle car you're an idiot and deserve to drive your dumpster fire of a car
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Mar 21, 2015 21:29
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blk posted:Most of the smilies don't have hair. They're ALL Mussolini. VikingSkull posted:If you're buying a Chrysler that isn't a Jeep, Ram or muscle car you're an idiot and deserve to drive your dumpster fire of a car
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Mar 21, 2015 21:40
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lol sorry youre butthurt that chrysler sucks doggy balls
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I'm not even entirely sold on Jeep, the Wrangler is a gimmick toy car that sucks at everything except crawling over rocks and the Grand Cherokee, while nice, hits Land Rover price territory if you want if you want a nice one. I maybe exaggerated earlier however, if I were looking to buy an American truck it'd be because I wanted a luxury car in truck form and Ram really does have the nicest interior and that soft-riding suspension. GM may build the better engine but if durability and hard use were real concerns there's Toyota for that, Ram's got the plush leather that truck buyers really want. Francis Baconator posted:I want to say the Dart is okay, but I'm not convinced it's competitive. The Dart is a perfectly okay car in a world where objectively superior competitors don't exist, but we don't live in that world. Wheeee fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Mar 21, 2015 |
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Mar 21, 2015 21:44
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Anyone who really has that strong of feelings for a company regardless of their products is just not sane. I loving love BMW, and if you asked me to list the top cars I'd want to own, I'd probably not get to something not wearing a roundel in the mid teens, but I still am sane enough to not like or defend all the sound symposer electric water pump cheap plastic electric power steering pug ugly bricks that seem to be the new market lineup for BMW.
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Sinestro posted:pug ugly bricks that seem to be the new market lineup for BMW. Um no the problem with modern BMWs is that they aren't bricks.
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Mar 21, 2015 21:51
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Wheeee posted:Um no the problem with modern BMWs is that they aren't bricks. both are cold and immobile
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VikingSkull posted:both are cold and immobile Yes but one is pleasantly rectilinear, and the other got soft and melted a little.
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Honestly I'm kinda torn on Chrysler because we had a Caravan in the family for over ten years that was rock solid, but then my wife had a Sebring when I met her that was the definition of hot garbage, probably the worst car I've ever experienced.
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