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When I was young I was very confused that one person could be both the Doctor and Worzel Gummidge.
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First time I'm really entering this Doctor Who thread. First things I got to ask. I'm just starting out Series 8, and I'm kinda digging. Peter Capaldi is freaking awesome. Can you guys recommend me any other classic Doctor stories where one the classic Doc's that act similar to this one? I like cranky Doctor. Now time for the odd part of my post. So, I'm the type of person who likes diving into the muck of fandom's to find some weird, weird fan-creations. Mostly because I'm curious what the heck makes them think up this stuff. Since I'm fan of Doctor Who, I eventually found something quite weird. Since this is the Doctor Who threa,d and I haven't found a rule banning stuff like this, so what the heck. [url=https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4444371/1/in-this-world-you-cannot-change] In this world you cannot change[url] Its a Donna/Master shipfic. Well, its kinda a ship-fic. It's hard to explain it. The premise basically is that due to a series of events after Series Four of Modern Doctor Who, Donna ends up finding an amnesiac, homeless Master. Due to another series of events, the Master gains enough his memory, to know he's a timelord, that he is the Master of all. Throughout the entire mess, Donna regains her memories of the Doctor, and somehow both of them end up a few days before the Series 3 two-parter. You can already see the chaos in that. The only reason I'm mentioning this fic in this thread, is because out of all the bad poo poo I've read in fandom, this is actually decent. It's more like a Doctor Who adventure, with Donna smacking the poo poo out of the Master. And due to the Master not fully being well, the Master, he doesn't murder her immediatly in response. And the twist at the end of the story actually is pretty good, for a fanfic. Its the only time I can honestly say that a Doctor Who fanfic was decent. So yeah, check it out, make your own opinions on it. It's your choice. I just thought it would be an interesting Doctor Who related thing to bring up.
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Jul 24, 2015 23:28
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Logical1234 posted:First time I'm really entering this Doctor Who thread. First things I got to ask. "Vengeance on Varos."
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Jul 24, 2015 23:38
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Three and Six are probably the ones to go for if you want cranky Doctors. Three also lends a lot of visual cues to Twelve, while Six's actor (Colin Baker) has more or less said that Capaldi's getting to play the Doctor that he (Colin) always wanted to.
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Jul 24, 2015 23:41
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Give yourself over to Big Finish, too. Let it consume your soul.
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Jul 25, 2015 00:02
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Talking about cranky Doctors and nobody has mentioned the king of cranky Doctors himself, William Hartnell? Shame on you. My personal favourite Hartnell serials are the Time Meddler and the first episode of An Unearthly Child.
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Jul 25, 2015 00:02
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cargohills posted:Talking about cranky Doctors and nobody has mentioned the king of cranky Doctors himself, William Hartnell? Shame on you. My personal favourite Hartnell serials are the Time Meddler and the first episode of An Unearthly Child. Time Meddler owns so hard. The Aztecs, too. Til she saw those two, my wife didn't like any pre-Tom Baker serials.
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Jul 25, 2015 00:07
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Yeah, Hartnell is an amazing cranky old man, especially in the first season stuff before he softened up by necessity and became a warmer person. As already mentioned, The Time Meddler is a pretty great story because though he's softened somewhat, there is a new companion onboard so he has some fun at his expense, and then they turn his surliness/playfulness against the antagonist of the story in a way that works really well. Colin Baker tried to recapture some of that sense but he was hobbled by a lot of stuff completely outside of his control, Vengeance on Varos is his best story but there are still a lot of crap it has to work around.
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Jul 25, 2015 01:53
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Harry Sullivan just put his foot in a giant clam. Inside a cave.
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Jul 25, 2015 14:01
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CobiWann posted:Harry Sullivan just put his foot in a giant clam. Inside a cave. Harry Sullivan is an imbecile.
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Jul 25, 2015 14:30
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I'm phoneposting so I can't go into the detail I'd like, but if anyone gets a chance in the run-up to the Genesis review to listen to I, Davros they really should. Despite a little prequel-itis, it serves as a great bridge between the manipulative Big Finish Davros and the hyper-focused monomaniacal character in Genesis. I also liked the gradual breakdown of Kaled society and it has the most  explanation I can think of for where he got all those Kaled mutants in the first place...
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Jul 25, 2015 15:28
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I just read Hunters of the Burning Stone, which collects Doctor Who Magazine's comic strips from 2012 and 2013. The titular story was the comic's 50th anniversary celebration, featuring the return of Ian and Barbara with the caveman tribe from An Unearthly Child turned into intergalactic super-hunters by aliens in a villainous turn that's equal parts very fitting and completely, totally insane. Hunters was the strip's big finale to its own then-ongoing metaplot du jour, which I didn't find too appealing here, but it works well enough as a stand-alone anniversary story, too. It's a lot of fun, mixing elements from Classic and New Who rather cleverly. I have a soft spot for the DWM strips throughout the ages for just this reason, really: the strip is in a pretty marginal position when compared to the TV show, or even something like Big Finish or the IDW/Titan comics, which means its contributions to the canon at large are inevitably pretty minor too, but at the same time it's often able to play with past Doctor Who in all its more or less obscure forms more freely than the more mainstream stuff can. It can do stories featuring Beep the Meep or Shayde or Kroton the Friendly Cyberman and have just as much heft to them as ones with the Daleks or the Master. It's fanwanky, yes, and there's a limit they sometimes reach when it all gets a bit derivative and tiresome, but it's obviously by fans for fans, and its heart is in the right place. The collected editions are very well done, too. I especially like the author comment sections at the end - these really made the Eighth Doctor collections, and I'm glad to see they've got commentaries for the newer strips, as well. They've got a lot of fun little tidbits in there (like how before he decided to use the Tribe of Gum as the villains, the writer was going to have the aliens give their psycho-metal space-hunting suits to the Aztecs from The Aztecs), and it's just nice to see how much care and work goes into what some might see as pretty inconsequential fluff in the back pages of a tie-in magazine. The old Eighth Doctor collections are, as mentioned, especially great, so definitely get your hands on some of those if you can.
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Jul 25, 2015 16:06
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CobiWann posted:Harry Sullivan just put his foot in a giant clam. Inside a cave. I'm positive they just put that giant clam into the story because they realized if they didn't have something awful then they'd have made a perfect story and it would all be downhill from there.
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Jul 25, 2015 16:17
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 Somebody please get The Clam as an avatar
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Jul 25, 2015 16:23
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Jerusalem posted:I'm positive they just put that giant clam into the story because they realized if they didn't have something awful then they'd have made a perfect story and it would all be downhill from there. The clam is part of what makes it the best story. Doctor Who needs ridiculous cheap props or monsters to truly be Doctor Who.
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Jul 25, 2015 19:03
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Wheat Loaf posted:Today I learned (or was reminded) that Jon Pertwee was Croft and Perry's first choice to play Captain Mainwaring on Dad's Army. That would've been a bit Not only that, but he became a household name through being one of the three stars of The Navy Lark on radio, in which he played the ship's terminally light-fingered chief petty officer. He could definitely have done it, although in a completely different way to Arthur Lowe.
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Jul 25, 2015 20:58
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So I'm almost done with my Series 8 rewatch and holy crap, I'm reminded of how loving bad In The Forest of the Night is. And not even for the weird "meds are evil" argument. It's just so poorly structured, scripted, and directed that it seems like it was improvised and thrown together at the last minute and rushed out the door. Were they paying too much attention to the finale to check up on the production team on this episode?
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Jul 26, 2015 00:07
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Hey guys, anyone who has Archives, would you mind going back to the Forest thread for me and grabbing my initial bile filled review of the piece of poo poo? I'd like to cross post it to the Toxx thread when it's time.
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Jul 26, 2015 00:14
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The good thing about Forest is that it doesn't really progress the overall story in any way (Danny finds out Clara is still palling around with the Doctor, which he basically already had done in the previous episode) so it can be safely skipped if you're rewatching. Or just watching for the first time, even.
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Jul 26, 2015 00:18
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Burkion posted:Hey guys, anyone who has Archives, would you mind going back to the Forest thread for me and grabbing my initial bile filled review of the piece of poo poo? quote:This episode was harmful.
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Jul 26, 2015 00:22
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Thank you very much.
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Jul 26, 2015 00:25
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I liked it.
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Jul 26, 2015 00:40
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BSam posted:I liked it. I'm happy for you.
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Jul 26, 2015 00:42
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The whole message of "meds for mental issues are bad" really soured me on Doctor Who as a whole for a while...I mean, did NOBODY who had script input on that episode realize what a lovely and potentially dangerous message that is to send? Didn't Capaldi or Coleman get to that point in a table read and go "What the gently caress?"
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Jul 26, 2015 00:48
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 Short Synopsis: The Doctor gets sentenced to death for a parking violation and Lucie is desperately trying to get to the pub. Long Synopsis: The first episode of season 2 of The Eighth Doctor Adventures, the Doctor is hauled into court after being caught exiting the TARDIS which he has landed in a no-parking zone in London, 2008. To his surprise, the judge is the infamous Hanging Judge, except he doesn't look like him and clearly has no idea of the man's personal history. Time shifts back several centuries before the Doctor's eyes, and he is sentenced to death, along with "Springheel Sophie", a tightrope walker accused of theft. Meanwhile, Lucie who was doing some shopping in 2008 while the Doctor waited finds herself in early 20th Century London. Her attempts to return to where the Doctor dropped her off sees her encounter a mysterious river (with a 2008 pub just across the other side). Eventually reunited with the Doctor (and Sophie), the three traverse the river across multiple timelines within London, pursued by multiple versions of the same man, uncovering the secret of what is happening and why. What's Good:
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Final Thoughts: Well cast and well performed, Dead London is too big a concept crammed into too small a story. Forced to wrap things up too fast and leave too many unanswered questions, as an opener to the second season of The Eighth Doctor Adventures it doesn't quite work. With all that said, it is still a thoroughly enjoyable story, and though the concept doesn't get fully realized, it is a cool twist on a theme we've seen many times before (the Doctor quickly guesses what is going on, but not how deep/crazy it goes). Certainly worth a listen, but oh what might have been.
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Jul 26, 2015 01:29
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So I've finally gotten around to watching the latest season of Doctor Who, so I'd like to give my late and useless two cents. First and foremost, I love Capaldi in the role. He's exactly what the Doctor should be--abrasive, aloof, but incredibly useful, intelligent and arrogant. His capacity has been reduced in these episodes and I think that works a lot better to the "formula" of Who than the more hands-on roles played by Tennant and Smith. The fact that Capaldi is often the damsel in distress is no doubt a response to the (rightly so) complaints that Clara was loving useless dead weight in the previous seasons, and the pendulum has swung so far in the opposite direction without going too far that I'm actually genuinely shocked at the rapid increase in quality and variety that Moffat's current team has brought to the show. Clara is good. She's great. A very useful, active and competent Companion, maybe a little TOO good at what she does, but honestly I'll take it if we get more awesome scenes of her saving the day as we did this season. She takes a direct role in every episode and is often the primary hero of the day, while Capaldi largely just facilitates her adventures with information, gadgetry or support. It's a great change and I'm actually shocked that the Internet Feminist crowd hasn't latched onto Clara, because she's a strong, independent and well-written heroine who is the star and primary force of action in a major network sci-fi show. She ought to be getting a lot more coverage and acclaim than she is, and the radio silence about her performance this season is really baffling to me and my friend, who is an even bigger fan of her than I am. The episodes were really solid this season as well. There wasn't really a weak one of the bunch, although I found myself zoning out during the episode where the world gets overgrown by plants. The supporting cast is solid and I liked the focus on Clara's co-workers and especially her students. More episodes featuring the kids would not have been amiss, and they play well off the grumpy Capaldi. Capaldi's Doctor is definitely a massive about-face compared to the cuddley Smith and I personally love the hell out of it. I've always preferred the Doctor to be more alien and more callous, which he was fairly consistently shown to be in the Classic Who days. He still has a good heart, but he's not terribly concerned about human feelings and being seen as a hero. In fact, he was largely uninterested in helping people in the Classic days and that's sort of returned a bit, with Capaldi even going so far as to just peace out and let the humans solve their own loving dilemma at the end of a particular episode. The theme of soldiers I felt was not as deftly handled as it could have been, but it IS consistent, maybe too much so. We get the imagery, we get the various views on it, and it all comes together nicely in the final episodes, which really brings to close the War Doctor story arc once and for all. Missy is a cool villain and I enjoy the character progression that he/she has undertaken, with the original's penchant for ridiculously complicated plans now being manifested through utter insanity. How is she alive though? Wasn't she/he For Reals This Time dead the last time we saw them? Loved the super cool "cameo" at the end, thought it was nice that the Doctor finally got to pay his proper respects, and it feels right that Capaldi is the one to do it, since he's kind of a Classic doctor returned to life. Overall, a really solid season, and so much better, in just sheer consistency, than the last Matt Smith season. I think Capaldi's Doctor hasn't been fully figured out yet, and I kind of hope he gets a nice long run to build a proper legacy for him. My one concern is that the show's probably lost a lot of its fanbase, because the Doctor isn't pretty anymore, and that's going to reduce the ratings and make them can Capaldi quicker than they would normally. I trust this won't happen, though, because he's just so loving good in the role, I'd be overjoyed to see him have a tenure longer than Tennant's.
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Jul 26, 2015 04:08
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I really love the chemistry that Capaldi and Coleman developed.
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Jul 26, 2015 05:03
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Barry Foster posted:Capaldi just did an incredibly nerdy interview on the Doctor Who FB page (I can't seem to find a way to link it, since it's just a post...). Just watched it, and man, he is the real deal.  We are so incredibly lucky to get him and Moffat running the show at the same time. It's a wonder they can get anything done between nerdily talking about Doctor Who all day. One of these days they have got to get Capaldi, Moffat, RTD, and Tennant in the same room for a round of Doctor Who pub trivia. Video that and put it on the internet.  If I ever had a chance to ask Capaldi or Moffat a question at a convention or an AMA or something, I'd ask them which of the 4 would win!
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Jul 26, 2015 06:13
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The Capaldi/Coleman chemistry really is great, it's funny looking back at the concerns that she wouldn't be able to work with anyone other than Smith, especially since the two had such a comparatively short time together in the first place and didn't really click together as a duo until Day of the Doctor.
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Jul 26, 2015 08:41
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Wheat Loaf posted:Today I learned (or was reminded) that Jon Pertwee was Croft and Perry's first choice to play Captain Mainwaring on Dad's Army. That would've been a bit On the subject of DW and "Dad's Army": I feel that John Le Mesurier would have made for a really great Doctor.
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Jul 26, 2015 09:00
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Sydney Bottocks posted:On the subject of DW and "Dad's Army": I feel that John Le Mesurier would have made for a really great Doctor. "I'm terribly sorry, but would you mind awfully not exterminating the human race?"
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Jul 26, 2015 09:14
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Sydney Bottocks posted:On the subject of DW and "Dad's Army": I feel that John Le Mesurier would have made for a really great Doctor. Having grown up with Porridge on the TV for years, I still think it bizarre they considered Fulton Mackay to play the Doctor.
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Jul 26, 2015 10:33
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Best bit? When they got to the point in the script where they have to escape from the burning wicker man, McGann complained "I'm still wearing that bloody cravat?"
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Jul 26, 2015 14:04
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I just watched Claws of Axos for the first time, and I was struck how similar the gold Axons looked like the Host from Voyage of the Damned and wondered if it was a weird callback RTD threw in there. Or it could be a complete coincidence and I'm the first person to even draw that comparison, which I'd prefer because otherwise every time I think of the otherwise decent Third Doctor serial I'm reminded of that loving mess of a Christmas special
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Jul 26, 2015 15:45
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Trin Tragula posted:Not only that, but he became a household name through being one of the three stars of The Navy Lark on radio, in which he played the ship's terminally light-fingered chief petty officer. He could definitely have done it, although in a completely different way to Arthur Lowe. Different indeed. I've no doubt he'd have played it well, but I suppose it's because my entire image of Pertwee is as the Third Doctor, so I imagine he'd have been too similar to Sergeant Wilson. Too bad Capaldi's busy with Who at the moment, because I reckon he'd have made a great Frazer for the remake film they're doing (which I probably won't be going to see). Sydney Bottocks posted:On the subject of DW and "Dad's Army": I feel that John Le Mesurier would have made for a really great Doctor. Heh. My dad once told me he wanted John Le Mesurier to play the Doctor when he was a boy. 
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Jul 26, 2015 21:06
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Davros1 posted:Best bit? When they got to the point in the script where they have to escape from the burning wicker man, McGann complained "I'm still wearing that bloody cravat?" That does remind me of Sophie refusing to apply a tightrope to allow the three of them to escape because the Doctor and Lucie are untrained and "might fall to your deaths".... and she says this while THEY'RE IN A BURNING WICKERMAN. Then of course Lucie points out,"Well why don't we just use the rope at an angle and slide down to freedom?"  Espilae posted:I just watched Claws of Axos for the first time, and I was struck how similar the gold Axons looked like the Host from Voyage of the Damned and wondered if it was a weird callback RTD threw in there. Or it could be a complete coincidence and I'm the first person to even draw that comparison, which I'd prefer because otherwise every time I think of the otherwise decent Third Doctor serial I'm reminded of that loving mess of a Christmas special No it has definitely been noticed before, it's such a weird thing because obviously they bear nothing other than a superficial visual similarity to the Axons, and yet RTD is such a Doctor Who fanboy he can't have been unaware of the similarities.... either that or he was making a reference to the BAFTAs! 
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Jul 26, 2015 22:24
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Dr. Gene Dango MD posted:Anyone got a favorite reconstruction? Mine's The Macra Terror, it really is scary sometimes (and I'm usually not scared by Who at all) and moves well. It is to my great shame that I have only watched the first episode of Troughton's inaugural episode. This is from a while back, but my favorite reconstructed serial is The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve, followed closely by Power of the Daleks.
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Jul 26, 2015 23:55
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Burkion posted:I'm happy for you. jivjov posted:The whole message of "meds for mental issues are bad" really soured me on Doctor Who as a whole for a while...I mean, did NOBODY who had script input on that episode realize what a lovely and potentially dangerous message that is to send? Didn't Capaldi or Coleman get to that point in a table read and go "What the gently caress?"
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Jul 27, 2015 00:23
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Dr. Gene Dango MD posted:I hated that episode so thoroughly I never gave it much thought, and I feel you're right (for the very most part) that people should be on their prescribed meds. But I think what the episode was trying to say was some children are prescribed certain medication because it helps them fit into the gears of society, and not because it's what best for them or well suited to their particular situation. They failed in communicating that however and it came across as a general "Don't trust pills kids!". Yeah, it would not have been hard to send the message of "Well, yes, human doctors do know what they're talking about and medications can help with a great many things, but in this one particular instance its actually aliens", but if I remember it correctly, the Doctor literally has a line to the effect of "Oh someone starts hearing voices and the first thing you think of is medicine!?"
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Jul 27, 2015 00:44
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Oh I agree with you, it was executed poorly. Like everything in that episode, and half the things in that season. I'm gonna go back to my classic cave now and watch some Power of the Daleks.
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Jul 27, 2015 00:50
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