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Astroman posted:Just watched it, and man, he is the real deal. Does anyone have that video where their being asked who their favorite enemy in the show is, everyone gives super obvious answers like "Daleks" and "Cybermen", and then Capaldi names an obscure one-episode classic series alien? Capaldi gives thii amazing smirk, and Moffat is the only one on the stage who gets it and just starts cracking up. AndwhatIseeisme fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Jul 27, 2015 |
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Dr. Gene Dango MD posted:Oh I agree with you, it was executed poorly. Like everything in that episode, and half the things in that season. I'm gonna go back to my classic cave now and watch some Power of the Daleks. Dr. Gene Dango, MD..... or Dr Gene MUGABE, ZD?
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AndwhatIseeisme posted:Does anyone have that video where their being asked who their favorite enemy in the show is, everyone gives super obvious answers like "Daleks" and "Cybermen", and then Capaldi names an obscure one-episode classic series alien? Capaldi gives thsi amazing smirk, and Moffat is the only one on the stage who gets it and just starts cracking up. The Chumblies
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 01:11 |
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Just finished Genesis of the Daleks and now watching the behind the scenes featurette. Yeah, I think I'm a Philip Hinchcliffe guy.
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AndwhatIseeisme posted:Does anyone have that video where their being asked who their favorite enemy in the show is, everyone gives super obvious answers like "Daleks" and "Cybermen", and then Capaldi names an obscure one-episode classic series alien? Capaldi gives thii amazing smirk, and Moffat is the only one on the stage who gets it and just starts cracking up. Would gifs do? (Although whoever captioned it didn't get "The Silence" right.) Oh, here, ~5m48s in. thexerox123 fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Jul 27, 2015 |
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I love Moffat's reaction in that clip.
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 03:19 |
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CobiWann posted:Just finished Genesis of the Daleks and now watching the behind the scenes featurette. Yeah, the Hinchcliffe/Holmes/Baker era was pretty drat special.
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Dr. Gene Dango MD posted:I hated that episode so thoroughly I never gave it much thought, and I feel you're right (for the very most part) that people should be on their prescribed meds. But I think what the episode was trying to say was some children are prescribed certain medication because it helps them fit into the gears of society, and not because it's what best for them or well suited to their particular situation. They failed in communicating that however and it came across as a general "Don't trust pills kids!". To be fair to the Doctor, literally every time somebody hears or sees things that nobody else can see, it's because of alien invaders or psychic powers or poo poo like that, so he's right to say she doesn't need pills. It was also nice to see somebody perceived as mentally ill who wasn't a villain or an rear end in a top hat. So-called crazy people are villified enough in fiction, so it was nice to see at least an attempt to try and be more open-handed and accepting in an area most people aren't terribly concerned about acceptance within.
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 04:16 |
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Calling it now, Season 9 is going to have a Chumblies episode.
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 04:18 |
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BottledBodhisvata posted:To be fair to the Doctor, literally every time somebody hears or sees things that nobody else can see, it's because of alien invaders or psychic powers or poo poo like that, so he's right to say she doesn't need pills. The criticism is aimed at the writers/producers, not at the Doctor.
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thexerox123 posted:The criticism is aimed at the writers/producers, not at the Doctor. Ah yes, fair enough. Well, as I said, I'm willing to say it was at least a nice attempt. That whole episode felt unbalanced and a bit dull overall, really, although I liked Clara's class.
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Jerusalem posted:Dr. Gene Dango, MD..... or Dr Gene MUGABE, ZD? edit; My copy of Power of the Daleks has a werid buzzing noise throughout the episodes, can anyone link to a good version? I don't think youtube has every episode. Dr. Gene Dango MD fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Jul 27, 2015 |
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Since we average around 1.3 discovered episodes a year, I like to think we'll have a complete set of Doctor Who by 2090.
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 04:44 |
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After starting my "watch every episode in order" quest over a year ago, now that I'm nearly done with The Wheel in Space I'm finally about to climb out of the pit of reconstructions. It'll be weird to actually SEE Pat-Doc and Jamie with some regularity now (sure there are still a few missing episodes, but it's a nice change of pace from "every single serial is mostly missing") Power of the Daleks was definitely one of the best of the lost episodes that I heard, the sound design was genuinely creepy at times. As for the audio quality, I don't remember any buzzing noises specifically since I watched it months ago but weren't some of those audio tracks literally taken from people who held up tape recorders next to their TVs at home? If so there's probably not much that can be done about something like that. Edit: Gordon Shumway posted:This is from a while back, but my favorite reconstructed serial is The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve, followed closely by Power of the Daleks. The Myth Makers will always be #1 Tim Burns Effect fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Jul 27, 2015 |
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thexerox123 posted:The criticism is aimed at the writers/producers, not at the Doctor. I know we may slag off Moffat a lot, but on"Forst" I'd have expected a lot better from Frank Cottrell-Boyce, seeing as he's primarily a writer of children's fiction and all. Jerusalem posted:Dr. Gene Dango, MD..... or Dr Gene MUGABE, ZD? Mugabe was saying he wanted the white farmers back recently, wasn't he? Maybe he'd be up for a trade?
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Pesky Splinter posted:Give yourself over to Big Finish, too. Let it consume your soul. So i actually did have a silly remark for the Big Finish soul consumption thing you made Pesky. But thing is, I'm beyond sleep deprived. I knew was writing some weird rear end response, and things got very weird. So here's the basic idea. Below is the post I made when finally got my sleep deprived head out of making a response to you Pesky Splinter. But if any of you DW dudes want to see what a very sleep deprived dude's subcinocous will make him write when he really isn't focusing, then you can skip past the Big Finish discussion. And see what exactly how being sleep deprived makes things weird. Got it? Good. So Doctor Who.. right... I actually have been very curious about the Big Finish stuff. I've read books, played video games, watched TV, but I've never personally tried out Audio Dramas. I gather that's what Big Finish stuff is. Classic Doctors literally making new adventures in audio format. At least that's what I gathered. And since it's seems that slowly but surely modern Doctor Who monsters and characters are entering Big Finish in the recently announced stuff, this seems like the best time to get into Big Finish. So sure, I'll check out Big Finish. I'm currently want some Eighth Doctor Big Finish stuff. Night of the Doctor made really want to see the stories that he did on Big Finish, since he never got his shot in a liveaction show after a really bad movie. Or was it one of those, painfully mediocre stories. I get conflicting reports honestly. Something to do with the Doctor being a half-human, thus making all the hardcore fans commit fanrage in threads. Basically, reccomend me some Eighth Doctor Big Finish Audio Dramas, and once I fully check them out each at time, I'll try to do those reviews I've some DW fans do on this thread. Anyways, good to see you all and thanks for all the help...... ..... ..... WHAT I ORIGINALLY PLANNED TO SAY FIRST Pesky Splinter posted:Give yourself over to Big Finish, too. Let it consume your soul. Really wish I could, by I sold my soul to the Nogitsune a week ago. Had to resurrect the Teen Wolf thread and all that. [Really? Really. Your doing this? Your in Doctor Who thread, a Sci-Fi show about ALIENS, And you talking about Teen Wolf. What is the point of that meaningless reference? ] I just wrote that really without thinking... am I talking to myself? [Are you hearing a voice in your head?] Not really. [Then no. See this always happens. This is the problem that occurs whenever you don't get enough sleep. Because it leads to utter confusion. You get the idea to try break the fourth wall in a badly written story, Your doing right now with me. But now your doing it in a forum. It isn't that your so tired you don't know any better.You just want to write a fourth wall breaking story that weirds out, and possibly amuse.. some of the goons in the forums But your still freaking tired. So you are trying to kill to birds with one character. You writing me as a character, who is self-insert of your freaking common sense and logic, LOGICAL, so you get to do your weird as metafictional, trippy dialogue thing. Do you get it now?] .........I have no idea what I just wrote in that dialogue of yours. [EXACTLY!] {And literally that's when I stopped writing whatever my train thought was, and just focused on writing my question on the Big Finish stuff. I m only even posting this thing because... I honestly kinda find it freaking hilarious re-reading it with more focus, . I wrote a bunch of words and sentences that sound like the ravings of a madman. So please, laugh at my...utterly incomprehensible sleep deprived discussion with myself as a fictional character. I think it's a riot. So yeah, recommend me the best Eigthth Doctor Big Finish stuff, and if you need me, I'm gonna be getting some freaking well-needed sleep...and hopefully, I won't be banned when I wake up.}
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Logical1234 posted:So sure, I'll check out Big Finish. I'm currently want some Eighth Doctor Big Finish stuff. Night of the Doctor made really want to see the stories that he did on Big Finish, since he never got his shot in a liveaction show after a really bad movie. Or was it one of those, painfully mediocre stories. I get conflicting reports honestly. Something to do with the Doctor being a half-human, thus making all the hardcore fans commit fanrage in threads. The movie is an odd product of mid-nineties science-fiction television; it tries to function as a pilot for a reimagined take on the series while maintaining its connection with the 1963-1989 series. Nevertheless, Paul McGann is good in it and Eric Roberts drezzzzes for the occasion.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:It was also nice to see somebody perceived as mentally ill who wasn't a villain or an rear end in a top hat. So-called crazy people are villified enough in fiction, so it was nice to see at least an attempt to try and be more open-handed and accepting in an area most people aren't terribly concerned about acceptance within. Among many other fantastic things, Masters of War featured a character with a mood disorder who took daily medication. The Doctor understood this as a medical condition, and it never resulted in "crazy person" behavior over the course of the story.
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 14:25 |
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Logical1234 posted:The drugs you're on. GIVE. THEM. TO. ME. It's quite simple, really. I can only speak for the "Main Range" of audios, where the Eighth Doctor has several 2-hour dramas. But if you want the absolute best, distilled version of those stories... Storm Warning - Eight's "return" as well as the introduction of Charlotte Pollard, Eight's first full-blown companion (no offense to Grace). It's a decent story, suffers a bit from the flaw of "it's an audio, so we have to describe EVERYTHING," but it's where you should start. The Chimes of Midnight - my favorite Who story ever, to tell you any more would risk an accidental spoiler. Written by the gentleman who penned the Nine TV story Dalek. Storm Warning sets up a key plot point, but the story does a good job filling in the blanks if you've never heard it. Seasons of Fear - another Eight/Charley story, a stand-alone adventure that can also serve as a good introduction where the Doctor chases an enemy through four eras of history - an enemy he hasn't quite met yet! Neverland - this story closes the first big story arc for Eight and Charley. It's really good, sees the return of Romana II (Lala Ward), and the Doctor pulls off a really neat trick with the TARDIS at the end. I could go on and on and on, but I'll stop myself there. You can find these stories at Big Finish for 3 bucks a pop for download, and they each clock in at about two hours (I think Neverland, being a season finale, is a bit longer).
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Logical1234 posted:So sure, I'll check out Big Finish. I'm currently want some Eighth Doctor Big Finish stuff. Night of the Doctor made really want to see the stories that he did on Big Finish, since he never got his shot in a liveaction show after a really bad movie. Or was it one of those, painfully mediocre stories. I get conflicting reports honestly. Something to do with the Doctor being a half-human, thus making all the hardcore fans commit fanrage in threads. Have you got some kind of thing I could PM you on? --- In addition to CobiWann's recommendations (he and Jerusalem have been working their way through reviewing the audios - with insightful comments), from the Eighth Doctor Adventures (they gave him his own special series outside of their monthly releases with the other doctors); Human Resources (1 & 2), The Book of Kells, Lucie Miller & To the Death, and Dark Eyes. Obviously the preferred way is working through the all stories, to see the plot threads and character arcs move through them, but just as a highlights reel, what Cobiwann said, and the above. For the audios in general, like the tv show, they veer all over the place in terms of quality and genre, so it boils down to what you personally like - camp, historicals, pure sci-fi, etc.
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 19:54 |
Doctor Who Season 8 is being added to Netflix August 8th.
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# ? Jul 27, 2015 22:05 |
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Pesky Splinter posted:Human Resources (1 & 2) Season 1 of the Eighth Doctor Adventures would have been a pleasant if unremarkable diversion if it wasn't for this 2-parter. It's sooooo good.
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Jerusalem posted:Season 1 of the Eighth Doctor Adventures would have been a pleasant if unremarkable diversion if it wasn't for this 2-parter. It's sooooo good. It's definitely a welcome change from the previous Eight story where a monsters show up halfway through. I have no idea how Big Finish can pull off something like Human Resources and then still be resorting to the old "monster in the title shows up at the beginning of the first cliffhanger." Now I want to listen to Human Resources again.
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# ? Jul 28, 2015 00:04 |
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It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the writers submit scripts with interesting titles to try and hide the villains, but then they're changed to "Blood of the Daleks" or whatever because its easier to market
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# ? Jul 28, 2015 21:59 |
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If your Dalek story isn't named "______ of the Daleks" then you should go back to your keyboard and start again.
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Gaz-L posted:If your Dalek story isn't named "OH poo poo IT'S THE DALEKS" then you should go back to your keyboard and start again.
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Gaz-L posted:If your Dalek story isn't named "______ of the Daleks" then you should go back to your keyboard and start again. Considering that the two best Dalek episodes of the new series don't follow that pattern and the ones that do suck, I'd revise that maxim if I were you.
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"Dalek" and "Into the Dalek" are, in fact, close enough that it still counts.
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Gaz-L posted:If your Dalek story isn't named "______ of the Daleks" then you should go back to your keyboard and start again. Frontier in Space
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Gaz-L posted:If your Dalek story isn't named "______ of the Daleks" then you should go back to your keyboard and start again. Jubilee
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The Time Lords intercept the transmat beam from Earth to Nerva and strand the Doctor, Sarah Jane, and harry on the planet Skaro in an era before the Daleks evolved. Before the travelers are allowed to return to the TARDIS, the Doctor must fulfill a daunting mission – to change the course of evolution itself... Tom Baker is the Doctor in Genesis of the Daleks. X X X X X Cast The Doctor - Tom Baker Sarah Jane Smith - Elisabeth Sladen Harry Sullivan - Ian Marter Davros – Michael Wisher Nyder – Peter Miles Sevrin – Stephen Yardley Bettan – Harriet Philpin Gharman – Dennis Chinnery Ronson – James Garbutt Ravon – Guy Siner Gerrill – Jeremy Chandler Tane – Drew Wood Kravos – Andrew Johns Kavell – Tom Georgeson Mogran – Ivor Roberts Kaled Leader - Richard Reeves Kaled Guard - Peter Mantle Thal Politician – Michael Lynch Thal Soldiers - Pat Gorman, Hilary Minster, John Gleeson Thal Guard - Max Faulkner Daleks – John Scott Martin, Cy Town, Keith Ashley Dalek Voices – Roy Skelton Time Lord - John Franklyn-Robbins Producer: Philip Hinchcliffe Writer: Terry Nation Director: David Maloney Original Broadcast: 8 March – 12 April 1975 Trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq-XLK_O90w X X X X X We're just going to get this moment out of the way right now because as silly as this scene is, it only serves to highlight just how amazing everything else is about Genesis of the Daleks. A serial that routinely appears on any list containing the words “best Doctor Who story ever,” Genesis clicks on every level – a cracker script by Terry Nation, nail biting cliffhangers, strong and memorable secondary characters including the introduction of one of Who's iconic villains, and an iconic moment not just for the Fourth Doctor, but for any and all incarnations of the wayward Time Lord. A trip from Earth to Nerva goes awry when the Doctor finds himself on the planet Skaro thanks to the meddling of his fellow Time Lords. The Time Lords have foreseen a future where the Daleks have become the supreme race in the universe after exterminating all other life forms. At this moment in time the Daleks are vulnerable, an instant the Doctor can exploit to either guide their evolution upon less destructive paths...or destroy them in the cradle. The task seems impossible – Skaro is in the dying days of a destructive war between the Thals and the Kaleds, both sides incapable of mercy and willing to do anything for a military advantage. And the advantage lies with the Kaldes, thanks to their lead scientist Davros and his development of a armored personal battle transport... In 1974, during their final days on Doctor Who, Terrance Dicks and Barry Letts commissioned a script from Terry Nation containing his creation, the Daleks. The script Nation submitted was familiar to Dicks and Letts...in fact, Nation had unwittingly sold them the very same script twice before, with the same concepts, themes, and plot points! After a good laugh between the three, Letts suggested something different, telling Nation “we've never seen the genesis of the Daleks.” Nation took his words to heart, calling his new submission Genesis of the Daleks. Nation's script is one of the best ever produced in the entire history of the show. The Thousand Year War between the Thals and the Kaleds is portrayed as as a mix of World War One (gas masks, trenches, rifles), World War Two (both sides are totalitarian governments committed to total victory, with the Kaleds being Nazis in all but name per their black uniforms, fascist salute, and interest in genetics) and World War Three (a mismatch of equipment, low supplies, mutated creatures in the wasteland, and a ballistic missile bringing the last hope of victory). It's an incredibly grim script, with two nations at the end of the civilized rope and spending their last days fashioning into a noose, with all the hand-wringing and false bravado that goes with it. Nation's script avoids putting one side in the “white hat” and the other in the “black hat,” as both sides are capable of horrific acts, from the Kaled's immoral experiments to the Thals using expendable slave labor to load their final rocket with a substance so lethal that just handling it for a few hours causes death. There are also a load of memorable secondary and tertiary characters, from the fanatically dedicated Kaled General Ravon (Guy Siner, best known for his part in 'Allo 'Allo!) to the scientist who finds his backbone Ronson (James Garbutt) to the leader of the rebellion Gharman (Dennis Chinnery) to the brave Muto Sevrin (Stephen Yardley, who also starred in Vengeance on Varos). Perhaps the most memorable of these characters is the Himmler-esque sneering, bespectacled Nyder, right hand man to Davros. Veteran actor of stage and screen Peter Miles (who also starred in The Silurians, Invasion of the Dinosaurs, and one of the first Big Finish audios, Whispers of Terror) channels the Nazi leader without any hint of camp; a rigid demeanor, cold attitude, and surprising charisma which he uses to convince his enemies to confide in him. The Sontaran Experiment was partially conceived by Philip Hinchcliffe as a way to save some money. There's a drat good chance that money went into the production of Genesis of the Daleks because this is an absolutely gorgeous looking serial, even after 40+ years. The studio lighting by Duncan Brown is superb, helping to the various corridors look different as well as casting sinister shadows on the wall as the Daleks roll past. The lighting on the outdoor trenches, a green and purple sky that suggest sunset against a chemical sky, adds to the awe and terror of a group of patrolling Daleks. Director David Maloney also helps to make the Daleks look much more mobile and fluid in this serial. While there's still the budgetary problem of three Daleks standing in for a whole army of them, Maloney shoots the Daleks from a low angle as they move, suggesting a sense of speed and determination as they roll through a scene. In every shot, they are the centerpiece, dominating the viewer's field of vision as they stand motionless. Roy Skelton handles their voices, suggesting an alpha Dalek with a low tone, a beta Dalek with a neutral tone, and a delta Dalek with a high pitched tone as it screams to be noticed. Maloney's directing helps to ensure that the six-part story doesn't drag, keeping the story moving along. While there is some corridor running and some “capture/escape/repeat,” there's little actual padding as the story moves from “military adventure” to “spy thriller” to “rise of rebellion” with ease. The cliffhangers as well are standouts, with my favorites being Sarah's at the end of the second episode and Davros' screaming at the end of the fourth one. The companions get plenty to do in Genesis of the Daleks as well. We get a lot of the Doctor and Harry pulling a double act through the first half of the story, and I once again find Ian Mater's Royal Navy surgeon growing on me. He's British through and through, never complaining, never showing his pain from having his ankle bitten by a giant clam, quick to grab a gun but not to fire it, coaxing Ronson to rebellion, and in one of my favorite moments of my Baker-watch so far, finding the guy to an armory locker while the Doctor bangs against in vain, handing it over to him without so much as a word or comment. The next story, Revenge of the Cybermen, is the one that cements Harry's legacy as a bumbling imbecile, and based upon his performances in The Ark in Space, The Sontaran Experiment, and now this story it's a drat shame. On the other side of the TARDIS, Sarah Jane gets a lot more to do in this story, bringing the Mutos to life in an attempt to escape from Thal captivity, quaking with fear when she sees a Dalek both in and out of its battle armor, and serving as the audience stand-in as she tries to convince the Doctor to end the Daleks before they can even begin. Elisabeth Sladen channels Sarah Jane's fear of the Daleks, having seen them at their worst during her time with the Third Doctor in Death to the Daleks, to wonderful effect. The beginning of Genesis of the Daleks sees the same manic, devil-may-care Doctor that Tom Baker had wonderfully portrayed throughout three stories, from bantering with Harry over getting some refreshments from their captors (“no tea, Harry”) to breaking into the Thal dome to rescue Sarah Jane (“Excuse me, can you help me? I'm a spy.”). But when the Doctor believes Sarah Jane and Harry have died at the beginning of the fourth episode, all kidding around stops. Much like we saw the switch get flipped in The Sontaran Experiment, the back end of Genesis of the Daleks sees a determined Doctor, one who will do what he can to end the Dalek menace. But there's a difference between stopping a Sontaran invasion and complete genocide. At the pivotal moment, when the Doctor has the very means to destroy the Daleks once and for all in his hands...he remembers just who he is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PXdwqlJ19U “Coward, any day,” the Ninth Doctor said when he had the same choice, a man who might do horrible things and cause people to die, but would never take their final step, absolute genocide. This is the Doctor, a man who even when things are at their worst and the chips are done, the ends can and will never justify the means. With Sarah Jane screaming at him to end things (and Harry wisely deciding to stay the hell out of this argument), Baker shows the anguish that the Doctor is feeling. A man who walks in eternity, he knows what the Daleks will do, but he also knows what their presence is capable of doing – uniting planets, species who would never otherwise ally, against them. Now, considering Nation has given us a creature without conscience, without pity, without mercy, it might seem that the choice is incredibly clear. But the Doctor lives and dies by that thin thread of hope, that even when the odds are one in a thousand, he will grab that thread and pull on it for all it's worth. His relief when it turns out he doesn't have to touch the wires together is a quiet moment of great acting from Tom Baker, understated because the Doctor is emotionally exhausted from the weight of the decision he almost had to make. Davros. For a very long time, the story of the Daleks became the story of Davros, as future appearances of the Daleks in the classic series would involve their creator as well. And there's a reason for this, as Michael Wisher's performance as Davros is absolutely incredible. Putting aside the top-notch make-up and costuming job by John Friedlander and Sylvia James to create and apply the Davros costume, Wisher is everything one expects in a villain; calculating, manipulative, and absolutely dedicated in his beliefs. Speaking from a fan of both comic books and professional wrestling, the best villains are the ones who believe they are completely in the right, that their actions and words are completely and utterly justified There's a moment in the fifth episode where the Doctor asks Davros what he would do if he had absolute power over life and death. Davros' response is one of the iconic moments in the show's history. https://youtu.be/dkelV2WUNdw?t=51 Wisher prepared for the part of Davros by rehearsing with a paper bag over his head to simulate the claustrophobia of the Davros mask. This allowed him to act solely through his voice, without worrying about any other facial expressions that might lead his performance into farce or camp. The performance Wisher gives as a result is chilling and terrifying. Even when speaking softly in an attempt (or a ruse) at being conciliatory or screaming for the same pity that he chose not to instill in his creations, there is an underlying menace to his words. There's no coincidence that the Daleks sound like their creator, especially when he screams in anger. And you can't forget his hand, scarred, misshapen, long fingernails pressing buttons and flipping switches in his own transport device, one that looks like the bottom half of a Dalek. Wisher just nails the performance, that's really the best way to put it, and while this would be the only time Wisher portrayed Davros due to theater commitments, his turn in Genesis of the Daleks can be seen and heard in every other actor's performance as the mad creator of the Daleks. Cygnia posted:I never hid behind my couch as a kid! Genesis of the Daleks is a grim story, one that drove moral guardian Mary Whitehouse up a wall as she referred to the episode as “teatime brutality for tots.” But there's no denying this story's impact on all of Doctor Who. Every aspect of this serial is superb, all coming together and clicking in a story with tension, moral dilemma, and a top notch villain, tied together by great directing and lightning. There's a reason Genesis of the Daleks is remember so highly almost 40 years are its initial broadcast. It's THAT good. Random Thoughts - I make fun of it in the introduction, but the clam was described as “one of Davros' failed experiments.” And now I want Daleks riding into battle strapped inside giant battle clams. - The Doctor just looks so broken after the Thal missile attack, when he believes Harry and Sarah Jane are dead. This helps to explain why he's so eager to spill his guts to Davros later on when the scientist threatens to torture his companions unless he talks. - The Doctor tells Bettan, one of the surviving Thals, that she needs to put together a resistance to fight back against the Daleks. Foreshadowing of Davros' comments in Journey's End about how the Doctor takes his companions and transforms them into soldiers? - As Cygnia said, the chair was pretty freakin' cool, wasn't it? Cobi's synopsis – Genesis of the Daleks is a story that deserves the sobriquet “classic.” A superb script, memorable secondary characters, and some smashing lighting work mix with the introduction of Davros, the return of the Daleks, and one of the Doctor's greatest moral dilemmas. Next up – Expecting to be reunited with the TARDIS, the Doctor stumbles upon the last battle between humanity and one of its most terrifying foes... Tom Baker is the Doctor in...Revenge of the Cybermen
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Yeah, there are only so many ways I can say it, but Genesis of the Daleks is simply amazing - every time I see it I'm struck by how it immediately grabs you by the throat and doesn't let up till the final credits roll. A chill goes down my spine every time we get to the end of the story and I remember the trapped Daleks screaming that they will rebuild and wait until the time comes when they can emerge and conquer EVERYTHING. It's also well served by the Doctor's hopeful note that out of the Daleks' great evil, great good can come - the characterization is just spot on for everybody, nothing really feels wasted. Of course, the giant clam is there too, but some people love that, and even if they don't one blemish just makes how great every other part of it is stand out.
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Genesis is so genuinely amazing at what it does, portraying the last days of a long, dirty war of attrition, where the sides are both one step from fighting with sharp sticks. It's a remarkably bleak and brutal look at the horrors of war, and by making both sides ostensibly human (-looking, anyway) it brings home the effects of war and fascism in an uncomfortably bright light, and for children no less. Compound this with the then-contemporary reality that nuclear war might break out at any time, makes this all the more terrifying. NuWho could definitely do with a story this grim, and who knows, with Capaldi we might get it.
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# ? Jul 29, 2015 10:18 |
Yeah... Season Nine spoiler: Its a shame Moffat is revisiting the events of that episode and changing them as the big plot hook for this season.
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PriorMarcus posted:Yeah... Season Nine spoiler: Its a shame Moffat is revisiting the events of that episode and changing them as the big plot hook for this season. that's a joke right hahahahaha right no right yeah hahahaha no right
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PriorMarcus posted:Yeah... Season Nine spoiler: Its a shame Moffat is revisiting the events of that episode and changing them as the big plot hook for this season. Wait, do you mean Hide or Genesis? Linear Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Jul 29, 2015 |
# ? Jul 29, 2015 10:37 |
Moving this to spoiler thread!
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# ? Jul 29, 2015 10:42 |
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Short Synopsis: The Doctor prevents a genocide, but more importantly Lucie gets a job on Top Gear. Long Synopsis: The Doctor takes Lucie to the space equivalent of an Auto Show where they witness the death of a presenter of popular spaceship-enthusiast show "Max Warp". An investigation reveals all is not as it seems, as the seemingly trivial show ends up having enormous significance in diplomatic relations between two formerly warring races. The Doctor gets to play Poirot, some sponge-trees get miffed, Space Jeremy Clarkson is a racist, Space James May wants to get his end away with Lucie, and the Space President has a lovely PR adviser. What's Good:
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Final Thoughts: Max Warp is a parody well executed but stretched thin. Anchored by strong performances by Paul McGann and Sheridan Smith, it's let down by thin supporting characters and a failure to realize the true alien nature of the Kith. There is an important message about xenophobia and the long-lasting impact of war, but it is muddied and easily missed. The parody aspect is the selling point of the story, and it lives or dies based on how the listener feels about that. For me, it wasn't quite enough to make it a particularly memorable story, but at least it sounds like McGann was having a lot of fun.
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# ? Jul 29, 2015 10:54 |
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Parody is fine, but not if it becomes a bit mean spirited, which is why The One Doctor is an audio classic and Bang-Bang-A-Boom! just seems like one big long joke at Deep Space Nine’s/Babylon 5’s expense.
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# ? Jul 29, 2015 11:40 |
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# ? Apr 24, 2024 14:01 |
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One thing about Genesis that wasn't mentioned in the review, I think Robert Holmes did a lot of rewrites and fleshing out of the story, that tale is as much his as Terry Nations.
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# ? Jul 29, 2015 12:54 |