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Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.
After they cut short the 8th Doctor's Divergent Arc, it's like BF didn't know what to do with him; most of the remaining stories feel repurposed from stuff that would have happened in that arc.
I don't think it really recovers until the EDA.

Scaredy Cat I remember being pretty hard to slog through because, as you've put, it's just incredibly boring with pretty much zero payoff.

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Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

CobiWann posted:

I won't get to A Thousand Tiny Wings before I plan to listen to UNIT: Dominion. Am I still good to go?

Dominion is a follow-on from Klein's story resolution in The Architects of History, where it basically spoils the events of her other stories. Obviously it's Who, so they briefly explain stuff, and listening to it out of order still makes it clear enough.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Why BF? Why must you tempt us? You know we can't resist.
:negative:

Quick question, what's the quality of the stories like on some of the non-Who series? I was looking at their Sherlock, and Dorian Grey series, and umming-and-ahhing.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Davros1 posted:

Sherlock Holmes is awesome. Wasn't too thrilled with Dorian Gray. Didn't bother getting series 2.

GET BLAKE'S 7! Seriously, even if you've never seen an episode, GET BLAKE'S 7! The full cast stuff is on par with their Who stuff.

GET BLAKE'S 7!

Thanks, I'll look into it. Very curious about Blake's 7 - it's one of those things I've heard mentioned alot, but never got round to seeing it...yet.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Mortanis posted:

How is Dark Eyes 4? I picked it up right after it came out but haven't had a chance to listen. Normally I'm gung ho to listen but I wasn't as enamored with DE3 as I was with the first two. On that note, when are they switching back to a more serialized format for Doctor the Eighth?

The main thrust to the Dark Eyes story doesn't really start until the climax of the second story. The first story is more of a stand-alone; in the context of DE4 it's weird padding, but as a lone story it's pretty good.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

CobiWann posted:

I do have to say, a guy with a body that banging should NOT be regulated to the audios. Jesus, those pecs are Photoshopped!

When I was looking up DW cast images for the BF Doctor guide thing, I wasn't expecting to be bombarded with sexy Phillip Oliver bod. :swoon:


Organza Quiz posted:

The concept of a person who can blend into his surroundings is also just horrifically wasted on the medium of audios. Even in terms of personality, he could be picking up body language and expressions from the people around him....

Yeah, it's more of a thing that's easier to convey in a visual medium. Like they explicitly have to say in the audios that C'rizz is picking up traits, or changing colour, whatever - it's somewhat distracting.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Angela Christine posted:

Return of the Cyberwoman! Finally!


Nice way to get Captain Jack back, without having to explain why he is getting older though. The idea of Torchwood wasn't inherently retarded, I hope they do something good with it.

"At Big Finish we've decided to carry on the level of quality found in the show. So coming soon to Big Finish Productions; John Barrowman is Captain Jack Harkness in, Torchwood: Cum of the Daleks."

In all seriousness, I hope they do well with it, or at least less awfully than the actual show was. Or make it as entertainly bad as the show, I'm quite happy with all eventualities. :)

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Angela Christine posted:

The rest is bad, but it isn't as bad now as when it was new because you know what to expect. It is "adult" as adult is imagined by 14 year old boys.

I vaguely remember liking the first episode when it came out, but the second episode sorta tainted the rest for me. That's the one with the gaseous cum-succubus who feeds on orgasms. It just felt really grotty and not something I'd really relate to Doctor Who; watching two people gently caress in a seedy club toilet, while some old guy watches on CCTV saying "Hrnnn...go on my son give her one for both of us" whilst jerking off. :stonk:

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

CobiWann posted:

Just beautiful, Jsor! Forgot one thing though...

X X X X X

Next up - When a horde of frogs descends on a small Welsh village, the sheriff has no choice but to call upon an expert with whom she shares a horrible past...

Burn Gorman is Owen Harper in...Torchwood: Reign of the Amphibs.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.
My English classes were pretty good with Shakespeare; got to watch the Polanski Macbeth, and Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet. Helped that the English teacher encouraged us to talk about the the sex puns, gore, etc, all the good stuff which teenage boys love. She also detested the Romeo + Juliet adaptation, and gave a pretty good break down on why she thought it was complete cack.


Jsor posted:

I thought Time of the Doctor was okay. TBH, it was closer to what I was expecting the anniversary to be -- fanservice where they just threw all of the Doctor's enemies at him. In retrospect I'm glad Day of the Doctor was what it was, but Time is a pretty decent episode if you just think of it as 50th anniversary fan porn.

TOTD, really didn't click with me. It started out alright, then just seemed to fall apart when they arrive in the town. It's obviously going to have a fractured narrative by skipping over large parts of the Doctor's life ( I didn't mind that), but there's something about it overall that doesn't mesh well with me for some reason. I'll have to think on it. :shrug:

Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 14:16 on May 10, 2015

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

The_Doctor posted:

[..] and between The Doctor Dances and Boomtown for Rose and Jack shenanigans.

BF set a story during that period, for their 50th anniversary audios; Night of the Whisper was the 9th Doctor specific one :eng101:

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Bicyclops posted:

The first Sontaran is pretty short. If you want tall Sontarans, you'll have to wait until the Baker era. They tried the tall design for awhile, but it turns out that tall Sontarans have a lot of difficulties with pool chairs.



The chair was a noble warrior indeed. Glory to the Sontaran empire!

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Jerusalem posted:

Absolution
[...] The Doctor immediately begins happily chattering away about where and when they can go next, throwing in the easily misinterpreted comment that things will be "better now". In what feels almost like a meta-reference, Charley rails at the Doctor and accuses him of never liking C'Rizz or wanting him around in the first place (fair enough!), and being happy that he's gone so things can go back to "normal" (again, fair enough!).

I know the mood-whiplash of the scene is meant to be the Doctor's way of coping with the loss of a companion, and the audience is meant to side with Charley's disgust at his seeming callousness, but they screwed up the writing for C'Rizz so much, it's impossible to not agree with the Doctor at face value.

At least with C'rizz gone, that Divergent Universe albatross drops from the Doctor's neck.

I think I said it in the previous incarnation of the thread, but the 8th Doctor main range stories are either good, or awful, with no inbetween. The other Doctors tend to have a much more even spread of quality, it's just odd how unbalanced Eight's stories are.
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I've been binging myself on the Gallifrey audios. They're pretty compelling, and the voice work is decent - Leela (Louise Jameson) and Romana (Lalla Ward) make a surprisingly good double act. They also manage to balance the politics and action pretty well too. Well worth a listen.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Neddy Seagoon posted:

Forest of the Night is just outright bad, with a pretty goddamn awful message to boot.

I was expecting them to go with a time-displaced jurrasic forest or whatever. Nope just Gaia theory bullshit delivered in the worst possible way.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Jerusalem posted:

I've never seen the Watership Down cartoon, but I've read the book which is EXCELLENT. Based on my knowledge of the book alone, I'm horrified at the thought of this being screened for kids.

It was pretty horrific (forgive the music, it was the only video I could find). Never read the book, but my memories of watching the cartoon involve non-stylised rabbits clawing, scratching and biting the everloving poo poo out of each other, blood everywhere. And death. Lots of rabbit death.

I was only four :stonk:

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Fungah! posted:

yeah my dad did the same thing, only he followed it up with the wall. my dad wasn't a good judge of age appropriateness

Fungah! posted:

plus side, first movie i ever remember watching with him was terminator 2

Nearly the same with me - the Wall a few years later, and Terminator 1 as the first movie I remember watching with him.

Jerusalem posted:

Jesus Christ that is pretty horrifying, I can imagine that traumatizing a lot of kids (you included).

I must say though, the book really is superb and the ending really is upliftingly beautiful - it's easy to overlook that due to the well noted violent themes of the book.

Here's the cartoon ending. It's a very beautifully animated film, but holy hell was it mismarketed.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Fungah! posted:

huh, drat. that's a hell of a coincidence

Late 80's, early 90's parenting must have been pretty similar.
Unless our dad is pulling a Troughton. :v:

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

marktheando posted:



They had to add the cape to make Alpha Centauri look less like a penis, but it had, uh, limited effectiveness.

Still not the most phallic Who monster.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.
I really do wish Lidster would stop with the twists and misery porn endings. It's just overkill in too many of his stories. Like, no-one in editing just snips off the last five minutes, and leaves a perfectly good story, with a satisfactory ending.

And like you said, that's fine if it leaves some lasting impact, but it never does; Eighth Doctor discovering his mind was wiped and he forgot two companions - brushes it off, Ace has a little brother - nothing comes of it, the reveal about an incident in the Doctor and Master's youth - (stupidity aside) affects nothing. This ending - nothing.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

docbeard posted:

This has always seemed like an odd critique to me. Not that it's not a problem that none of Lidster's BIG HORRIFYING TWISTS had any impact outside their own stories, but it's not really a problem you can hold Lidster responsible for.

Also, I'm fine with no one ever acknowledging the particularly stupid twists, honestly. Good stories should never be held hostage to bad stories.

I can't disagree with that. And I know Who continuity is loose and flexible enough to not make individual story elements matter overall. I dunno, I guess I'm just sick of every single story of his having a some kind of needless twist. I don't want to give the impression that there shouldn't ever be twists or morbidity in who, but it's just tiresome when his stories (which have pretty good set-ups and scenes), boil down to "The Doctor saves the people from the Tin-foilians, they learn stuff about themselves, the Doctor gets in his TARDIS and flies away...but they left the gas stove on and died of carbon monoxide poisoning."
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The_Doctor posted:

But to find out that she was British and putting on that accent (only in the last few years, I embarrassingly admit), it shows it up as a particularly poor job (although I guess it sounded passable enough to BBC ears) and makes me wonder why they didn't bother dipping into the pool of available American actors that live in the UK.

"Look John, I've been going over the budget, we can either afford the American accent, or the money to rent the quarry, but not both."
"Bugger, I need that quarry. Shoestring accent it is!"

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Tomtrek posted:

Big Finish just announced a whole bunch of new series related content:

http://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/bf27june

That's... quite a lot! Mixing old Doctors with new series enemies is really interesting. It seems like they're basically being allowed to play with anything that isn't a new series Doctor at this point.

I don't even like River Song, or Churchill that much, but this is great news! Just inching closer and closer to the possibility of New Who Doctor full audioplays. :allears:
Just them even being allowed to play in the New series sandpit is pretty great!

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.
I would so love a Master mash-up:allears:

"Yoo-hoo!"
"Oh god...not another one!"
"<Incoherant derisive snorting>"
"Hello, you! ... Me...us?"
"<Incoherant derisive hissing>"
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Honestly, I'm surprised it's not one of those things that's already happened, either in the New Series or Big Finish.

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Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.
I've been listening to the Bernice Summerfield audios, and here's some random thoughts; Lisa Bowerman as Benny is pretty great. Miles Richardson as Irving Brrrrraxiatel is pretty great. They love to throw in weird and hard to follow meta-stories, and they love to split the narrative into tie-in books that are stupidly expensive nowadays (seriously, $120 for a 190 page novella) - although fortunately I've managed to find copies of a rather less costly nature.

Also, they feature a Lidster story where the twist makes perfect sense, and has meaningful, and far-reaching consequences.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

DoctorWhat posted:

A few years ago, I was struggling with self-worth after some academic disasters and other garbage. Then I saw that convention video of Colin reading the speech from The Rings of Akhaten, and shortly thereafter met Colin himself. Over the following year I started really thinking about how I was living my life and realized that loathing myself for every mistake and failure and moment of ignorance was crippling me. So I resolved to stop. And as a promise to myself - a promise to be motivated forward by my regrets and failures rather than being held back by them - I dyed some baseball pants, ironed question marks onto the collar of a dress shirt, and got myself a coat.

:unsmith:

You didn't get the coat, the coat got you.

I must admit, before the thread convinced me to listen to the audios, through general osmosis, Colin Baker was very much that "Wait, who was that Doctor after Tom Baker? Oh wait, that one had lettuce and cricket? Who was after him, was it the Scottish one? No. Not-Richard E Grant from Withnail? Oh, that's right, the brightly coloured one!" :downs:
Which is a massive disservice to him, and how he plays Six. A view that (quite rightly), got changed very very quickly.
On that Withnail, and I topic, where's that Eighth Doc/ Shalka Doc team up Big Finish? :colbert:


CobiWann posted:

I’m actually a bit afraid to get to Colin’s TV run because I only know him through Big Finish, but I just tell myself “no bad Doctors or companions, only bad writers and producers.”?

The main issue with his TV run, is that he seldom gets to do anything other than act like an acerbic conceited arsehole, and his quiet, reflective moments are often interrupted by him snapping at Peri, or whoever. It's rare that he's able to show the range of emotions that we hear in the audios; the writers seemed to confuse 'passion' with 'terminally pissed off'. It's not Baker's fault - he's just working with what he's been given, but it was definitely a troubled production.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.
Give yourself over to Big Finish, too. Let it consume your soul.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Logical1234 posted:

So sure, I'll check out Big Finish. I'm currently want some Eighth Doctor Big Finish stuff. Night of the Doctor made really want to see the stories that he did on Big Finish, since he never got his shot in a liveaction show after a really bad movie. Or was it one of those, painfully mediocre stories. I get conflicting reports honestly. Something to do with the Doctor being a half-human, thus making all the hardcore fans commit fanrage in threads.

Basically, reccomend me some Eighth Doctor Big Finish Audio Dramas, and once I fully check them out each at time, I'll try to do those reviews I've some DW fans do on this thread. Anyways, good to see you all and thanks for all the help......


Have you got some kind of thing I could PM you on?

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In addition to CobiWann's recommendations (he and Jerusalem have been working their way through reviewing the audios - with insightful comments), from the Eighth Doctor Adventures (they gave him his own special series outside of their monthly releases with the other doctors);
Human Resources (1 & 2), The Book of Kells, Lucie Miller & To the Death, and Dark Eyes.

Obviously the preferred way is working through the all stories, to see the plot threads and character arcs move through them, but just as a highlights reel, what Cobiwann said, and the above.

For the audios in general, like the tv show, they veer all over the place in terms of quality and genre, so it boils down to what you personally like - camp, historicals, pure sci-fi, etc.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Rochallor posted:

EDIT: Doom Coalition is seriously the dumbest name.

Ruination Cordiale, doesn't quite roll off the tongue.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Burkion posted:

So is captain Jack coming to the audios, since we're getting Torchwood? I was confused on that

Because if he is, he can meet Tom Baker now

And that would just make me happy

So far, he's just gonna be in his little self-contained Torchwood bubble. It's likely they'll eventually edge him into the main run though.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

After The War posted:

I don't know what the gently caress Spider's Shadow was except incomprehensible and bad.

Spider's Shadow had a very, very, very loose connection to The Death Collectors, that is only resolved at the end, but is otherwise a stand-alone story. Also, yeah kinda incomprehensible towards the end, and a nice concept with a bad execution. Ditto with Death Collectors.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

The_Doctor posted:

But it's with some other companion who isn't Mel...? :confused:

It's four stories from various points in the Sixth Doctor's timeline with different companions, with the final one being with Mel, leading into his regeneration.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

PriorMarcus posted:

Does anyone want to spoil Six's end? Including his last lines, please. Also, how does Big Finish present regeneration?

Sticking behind a link to avoid open spoilers in the thread.
Spoilers!
VVV
:siren: The Last Adventure :siren:
^^^
Spoilers!

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Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.
There's some good scenes in there, but it's the typical uneven BF quality; the first story is good, but it's practically stand-alone. The second's pretty garbage (Reverse werewolves, seriously?). The third is alright, but feels like it needs expanding on (it could have also been the main introduction story really). And the final one...starts off strong, flags in the middle, and then it seems like everything is rather rushed towards the end; the real standout is Baker's regeneration scene. I dunno really, the thing as a whole is ok, but lacks polish.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

CobiWann posted:

I think a lot of people might have been hung on the “origin” of the Valeyard, which I believed to be nothing more than Communism (aka a red herring), but most of the reviews I read were almost unanimous in their praise. First rule of Doctor Who fans and all that jazz.

You bugger, I've just finished watching Clue :arghfist::v:

Nice and fair reviews of the Last Adventure. I still think the second story was the weakest, and the odd-one-out of the bunch. The concept wasn't that great, and the writing was kinda sloppy in places. Shame they couldn't have transposed the relevant scenes (Charley and the Valeyard) into a better story, but hey-ho.
Regarding the Brink of Death, I think posted before, I liked it, but it feels like it needs more polish in the middle section of the story. The regeneration scene is makes up for that though.

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Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.
If we close our eyes, we could pretend the new episodes are audios :ohdear:

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