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Compendium posted:For whining unrelated to dresses, wonder why they chose to translate it to "Defenders" instead of "Counter Guardians?" I would guess because the original Mirror Moon translation of the VN takes extensive liberties, and that's one of them.
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-Troika- posted:I would guess because the original Mirror Moon translation of the VN takes extensive liberties, and that's one of them. Mirror Moon didn't translate FSN and iirc the Japanese literally calls them Counter Guardians, as is fairly common with weird Nasu terms.
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Rodyle posted:Mirror Moon didn't translate FSN and iirc the Japanese literally calls them Counter Guardians, as is fairly common with weird Nasu terms. Japanese has this weird thing in doofy fantasy stuff where they'll write something half sensible in kanji and then over it they'll write something else entirely in little letters, frequently in nonsensical Engrish. The idea being that it means one but is read as the other or something. In any event, that's what's behind most of the weird translations of Nasu terms. 宝具, hougu, is pretty much "treasured tools", but has "Noble Phantasm" written over it. 固有結界, koyuu kekai means something like "characteristic barrier" or something, but is written with "Reality Marble". Since most of these pseudo-english names have been around even before anything got translated, they tend to stick, especially since it settles dumb arguments about how to translate them. In the case of Counter Guardians though, I'm pretty sure they just use the nonsensical Engrish straight up. They're occasionally referred to as "抑止の守護者", which is "Protectors of control/restraint" or something, but mostly it's Counter Guardians, even in Japanese.
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Apr 5, 2015 14:37
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That was good, Rin's face is still pretty weird though.
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Rodyle posted:Mirror Moon didn't translate FSN and iirc the Japanese literally calls them Counter Guardians, as is fairly common with weird Nasu terms.
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So is this purely the UBW route or did they merge some of fate in it. Isn't the original 3x route set up so info from all the routes is needed in order for it to make sense? I still have to watch S1 and figured I'd ask this in advance.
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Apr 5, 2015 23:28
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Yes. Not every bit of the three routes is needed for one to make sense, you can tell one as a self-contained story while taking certain liberties.
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Working my way through the VN while at work (super busy few weeks so about halfway through S1 of UBW in the VN) and so far it seems like if you do happen to play through each of the routes you'll have a slightly to somewhat more interesting experience if you can keep in mind what exactly is different and helps contrast the routes against one another. The Saber v. Assassin fight seems more like the Fate route version though tbh, I think if the same fight happens in either of the first two routes they take the more interesting one.
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every route works a self-contained story but some characters will be seemingly underutilized if you look at each route separately, and shirou's true character arc, for lack of a better term, exists as the combination of his arcs over all three routes. (He still gets a complete character arc in each route, it's just that said arc is different in each route and kind of combines to make a greater whole.) basically what the guy above said is right, each route is stand-alone but the full experience is deliberately gained by comparing and contrasting routes
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Raenir Salazar posted:The Saber v. Assassin fight seems more like the Fate route version though tbh, I think if the same fight happens in either of the first two routes they take the more interesting one. That fight still happened in the second route, it is just we already saw it before, compared to the new scene of shirou being kidnapped
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Stevefin posted:That fight still happened in the second route, it is just we already saw it before, compared to the new scene of shirou being kidnapped Right, but Assassin doesn't use Tsubame Gaeshi in that first fight though.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Right, but Assassin doesn't use Tsubame Gaeshi in that first fight though. Except he did, the vn narration even talked about Saber remembering it in their final confrontation.
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Randomzx posted:Except he did, the vn narration even talked about Saber remembering it in their final confrontation. Weird. I don't remember it happening in Seorin's version unless it was off screen so to speak?
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Raenir Salazar posted:Weird. I don't remember it happening in Seorin's version unless it was off screen so to speak? It happened off screen during their first fight in UBW.
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Hommando posted:It happened off screen during their first fight in UBW. Yeah, it's off-screen since it does say something like Saber "remembered" it from their first fight. One of those weird things I guess. And as for "Defender", it's a better translation than using "Counter Guardian". The normal folks who only watched Zero or even the Deen FSN would understand that better. Incidentally, I was at the Sakuracon premiere where they showed the first three episodes (we get one bonus episode ahead of time!) and I laughed when Gilgamesh got the loudest fangirl cheering. I wonder how they felt after finishing the first three episodes... ChronoReverse fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Apr 6, 2015 |
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Apr 6, 2015 18:31
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Probably still fangirls of him.
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I know I am.
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Apr 6, 2015 18:38
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KireixGilgamesh is my OTP now and forever.
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The Saber/Assassin fight was probably skipped in the VN because there was a similar one in Fate which you do see.
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"drat... a hot young blonde guy has fangirls? Heh, I bet they're gonna change their minds when they figure out he's also a Bad Boy.  "
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Ibram Gaunt posted:KireixGilgamesh is my OTP now and forever. Gil/Enkidu is superior. 
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Endorph posted:"drat... a hot young blonde guy has fangirls? Heh, I bet they're gonna change their minds when they figure out he's also a Bad Boy. The same folks nearly squealed just as loudly for the cute Ilya was the point. I wasn't trying to be mocking or anything btw. ChronoReverse fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Apr 6, 2015 |
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Apr 6, 2015 19:09
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This seems like the wrong thread for this discussion.
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There is never a wrong thread for any kind of discussion as long as it isn't about hentai or lolicon poo poo
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littleorv posted:There is never a wrong thread for any kind of discussion as long as it isn't about hentai or lolicon poo poo I meant that future events should be shuffled out of the show thread to the general thread.
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Rodyle posted:I meant that future events should be shuffled out of the show thread to the general thread. Do you mean the Tsubame Gaeshi thing? That does count as future events. I think I'll go back and spoiler the bit I said since it could be spoilers (for those who haven't watched episode three yet).
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How many episodes are officially out? I only see one on Crunchyroll. (I saw the three-episode premiere at Sakura-Con as well, and want to make sure I don't accidentally spoil anything.) e: vvv Okay, thanks! I'll avoid talking about how eager I am for episode 4 and how bummed I am that I have to wait three weeks for new content. blastron fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Apr 6, 2015 |
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Apr 6, 2015 19:40
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just one in the new season, plus the last season
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Probably the best thing ever posted in a TypeMoon thread
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That is wonderful.
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Extra gave Archer some ideas. These assless chaps let people see what he wants them to see.
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I just like the angling on Rin's pose/hand. BEHOLD!!!!
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Apr 8, 2015 02:32
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The more I listen to it, the more the OP song is growing on me. There's a nice send off feeling to it.
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Another gif from the OP:
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Silynt posted:Archer is Shirou somehow, right? I feel like they're really hitting me over the head with that "twist" I noticed the connections more with this episode too. Actually, it might be the opening. The twin swords in the last scene seems like good evidence. I don't know how the hell that would work though. It would imply that Shirou becomes a heroic spirit in the future and that the servants pool isn't just a collection of spirits from the past. But then how did Rin get his catalyst?
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I just love how he hates Archer but gets such a sword boner for his blade choice. Could be copying Saber's ballin' blade, but NOPE totally copying my hate crush.
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Does any of Saber's sparring with Shirou actually pay off? It kind of feels like the situation should be "holy poo poo you're being personally trained by the greatest knight in history, this is totally transformative" but instead Shirou's like "ehhh.... yeah idk, I like Archer's swordsmanship better but thx for the experience points Saber"
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Cephas posted:Does any of Saber's sparring with Shirou actually pay off? It kind of feels like the situation should be "holy poo poo you're being personally trained by the greatest knight in history, this is totally transformative" but instead Shirou's like "ehhh.... yeah idk, I like Archer's swordsmanship better but thx for the experience points Saber"
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