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C.P.A.N. posted:Wow horseshoe theory is real what, you think she went so far left that she ended up closer to the extreme right? hint: the american democratic party is centre-right as gently caress, and only "left" in comparison to the republicans. And even then, most mainstream "left" parties in western bourgeois democracies are social democrat at best - they're still sucking on the flacid cock of capitalism
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We Must Work to Preserve a White Future for the Grandchildren of Hillary
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Mar 29, 2015 15:28
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President Hi Larry Rod Ham Clint On.
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Mar 29, 2015 15:30
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hillary clinton is bad and would be a bad president but I can't think of a single person that would both run and not be poo poo
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Oberleutnant posted:what, you think she went so far left that she ended up closer to the extreme right? hint: the american democratic party is centre-right as gently caress, and only "left" in comparison to the republicans. And even then, most mainstream "left" parties in western bourgeois democracies are social democrat at best - they're still sucking on the flacid cock of capitalism Yes everybody else is too right of you, it's definitely not you who has the skewed perspective.
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Mar 29, 2015 15:35
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I can think of people who would be better presidents than Hillary Clinton. 1. Everyone. 2. Everyone else. But Republicans gonna gently caress this up congratulations Hillary you dumb pizza poo poo.
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Mar 29, 2015 15:36
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Man they don't want to know the other words I use to describe her...pretty sure Bill himself has used a few of em at least about her a couple of times bare min and as we all know he just LOVES women. Sadly ALL women I think- explains Hilary a lot. 
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Otisburg posted:woman candidate good, cool. just run someone i could be optimistic about like idk tammy duckworth She's a household name and "President Duckworth" sounds really neato, I'm sure she'd get far
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Mar 29, 2015 15:39
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notZaar posted:Yes everybody else is too right of you, it's definitely not you who has the skewed perspective.
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Mar 29, 2015 15:45
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Oberleutnant posted:If you think that hillary "I'm proud of slashing benefits, and I activitely participated in the toppling of democratically elected left-wing governments that I didn't like" clinton is left wing you're a retarded infant. its american left wing, yea
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Mar 29, 2015 16:07
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Oberleutnant posted:what, you think she went so far left that she ended up closer to the extreme right? hint: the american democratic party is centre-right as gently caress, and only "left" in comparison to the republicans. And even then, most mainstream "left" parties in western bourgeois democracies are social democrat at best - they're still sucking on the flacid cock of capitalism "Horseshoe theory"is facile bullshit made up by halfwits
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Mar 29, 2015 16:12
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gently caress you tezzor
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Mar 29, 2015 16:14
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We will be watching, reading, listening and protesting coded sexism like the words, "im gay," "cuck," "first post."
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Mar 29, 2015 16:15
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Blue Train posted:its american left wing, yea You have a communist party. They're left wing. Just because they aren't electorally popular doesn't remove them from the political spectrum. I feel like people just call the democrats left wing to assuage their guilt at voting for neoliberal dickheads. I mean, don't take it personally or anything. We have the same problem in the UK with Labour, who abandoned their barely-socialist fabian credentials in favour of social democracy as well. I'll still probably vote for them as the lesser of two evils (owing to a lack of commie candidates in my area), but I don't for a second imagine they have the best interests of the poor or marginalised minorities in mind. They're friends of business. They're just not quite as comically evil as the conservative party.
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Mar 29, 2015 16:17
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Oberleutnant posted:You have a communist party. They're left wing. Just because they aren't electorally popular doesn't remove them from the political spectrum. they're effectively removed when they've never been elected to any federal office at all, and a cursory google search says no state position either e: also I don't vote because they're all neoliberal assholes at the best
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Mar 29, 2015 16:23
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Unelectable parties can act as pressure groups on parties which are electable - they'll often coordinate activity to join larger groups on the same part of the spectrum and attempt to drag them in the direction they want. They can also work through trade unions and other labour movements (speaking specifically of commies here, but eco groups do the same sort of things). Organised political activity exists in a bigger sphere than just holding office. Some marxist groups reject state power entirely and refuse to run in elections on the basis that the state is inherently a tool for the subjection of the working class. They are usually still actively promoting their ideology in other ways.
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Mar 29, 2015 16:30
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Oberleutnant posted:They can also work through trade unions and other labour movements yea this right here doesn't really work in american politics anymore, unions are p much the devil here
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Mar 29, 2015 16:32
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By like all generally accepted definitions, if you support capitalism you would be sorted into the "right-wing". I learned this from these shits called books.
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Mar 29, 2015 16:34
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Blue Train posted:yea this right here doesn't really work in american politics anymore, unions are p much the devil here Plenty of unions exist and operate in the US?
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Mar 29, 2015 16:35
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just look at this http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.t01.htm not even 13% union membership for people above 16. public sector has highest union enrollment
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Mar 29, 2015 16:36
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that's around 20 million people iirc. actually it's less because i'm thinking 13% of the total labor force, but my point still stands, it's a lot of people. oh lol if I click on the thing its 14.5 million dougdrums fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Mar 29, 2015 |
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Mar 29, 2015 16:41
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Blue Train posted:just look at this http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.t01.htm not even 13% union membership for people above 16. public sector has highest union enrollment
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Mar 29, 2015 16:42
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Oberleutnant posted:The correct response to this is not to throw your hands up, declare the struggle pointless, and go back to sitting on your butt. I'm stocking up on guns, way ahead of you
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Mar 29, 2015 16:47
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Mar 29, 2015 16:48
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dougdrums posted:that's around 20 million people iirc. its not an insignificant amount of people buy that also assumes 100% political participation, so halve that number again prolly e: then halve that assuming an even split between right/left wing just to make things easier
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Mar 29, 2015 16:49
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clinton stomp on my balls for eternity
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Mar 29, 2015 16:49
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all I need is "oval office", OP
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Mar 29, 2015 16:50
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gently caress Hillary and gently caress whichever "mainstream" Republican makes it past the primaries. I'm done with voting and playing this bullshit game. I'd rather vote in a tea party candidate. Only because the absolute insanity that would result may finally kick us back into gear. Barring violent rebellion I think the only hope we have is breaking the egg to make an omelette. This kicking the can a little further down the road needs to stop. There is literally no one who can get us out of this mess. As long as we are playing the same political game with the current rules, it's utterly useless.
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Blue Train posted:its not an insignificant amount of people buy that also assumes 100% political participation, so halve that number again prolly 7% of the presidential vote is enough to gently caress up an election, i guess my point is that it exists and also there's a place called not america, lol. and by gently caress up i mean one of the two still wins so i see your point also dougdrums fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Mar 29, 2015 |
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Mar 29, 2015 16:57
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 ayy lmao at the washingtonpost arm yourselves yee slavves
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Mar 29, 2015 16:57
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Clinton vs Bush. God loving damnit. This government is such bullshit. We need a world war. Maybe Putin is a godsend. Vote GOP so we can finally have it out and maybe move forward.
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Mar 29, 2015 16:59
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dougdrums posted:there's a place called not america, lol. ??????? I don't think so ???????
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Shadow posted:Clinton vs Bush. If you want to die so badly just off yourself, don't be a piece of wish who prays for war
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We have already said above, and shall show more fully later, that the theory of Marx and Engels of the inevitability of a violent revolution refers to the bourgeois state. The latter cannot be superseded by the proletarian state (the dictatorship of the proletariat) through the process of 'withering away", but, as a general rule, only through a violent revolution. The panegyric Engels sang in its honor, and which fully corresponds to Marx's repeated statements (see the concluding passages of The Poverty of Philosophy and the Communist Manifesto, with their proud and open proclamation of the inevitability of a violent revolution; see what Marx wrote nearly 30 years later, in criticizing the Gotha Programme of 1875 when he mercilessly castigated the opportunist character of that programme) — this panegyric is by no means a mere “impulse”, a mere declamation or a polemical sally. The necessity of systematically imbuing the masses with this and precisely this view of violent revolution lies at the root of the entire theory of Marx and Engels. The betrayal of their theory by the now prevailing socialchauvinist and Kautskyite trends expresses itself strikingly in both these trends ignoring such propaganda and agitation. The supersession of the bourgeois state by the proletarian state is impossible without a violent revolution imo
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ur a piece of wish
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notZaar posted:If you want to die so badly just off yourself, don't be a piece of wish who prays for war It's honestly inevitable. I just wish we'd get it over with.
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Top City Homo posted:
500 is more than enough for a good pistol too; fifty more and you're in new glock territory
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Oberleutnant posted:The supersession of the bourgeois state by the proletarian state is impossible without a violent revolution 
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